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FIFA WC 26 - Other Nations LIVE Match Thread ⚽

HonestSpursFan said:
Interestingly the English probably have one of the worst diaspora fanbases out there. Like, compare it to all the fans of other European countries in their diaspora who see it as an easy choice for a second team cause it’s woven into their identity. Even among other Britons, people who’ve been in Australia for decades or even centuries still support Scotland or Wales at the Euros or when Australia aren’t playing. Many even support clubs from over there.

Then compare that to the English, who only seem to get support from English people who live in or were born in England and more recent migrants (e.g. English parents or grandparents). It’s the same in every country. In fact, people of English descent often fully engage in our major sporting rivalry with England. You never hear this with other groups, in fact there are even Kiwi Aussies and Aussie Kiwis (by birth or descent) who support both countries.

It’s truly quite fascinating and I’m curious why the English never developed a strong diaspora fanbase or tied supporting their country with immigrant identity, especially when the Irish, the Scottish and the Welsh did. So interestingly, while they won’t back them for obvious reasons, many if not most Aussie fans (including the ones with an English background, English culture and only speak English) would also not be supporting England.
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What's also interesting is the Australian of European descent undying hatred of England and English football culture....

And why they harbour a distinct "Anyone But England" sentiment.

It's not as if there's an actual bone fide rivalry between England and rhe Socceroos. They've played each other barely 10 times in friendly matches only.

It's quite a fascinating mix of historical baggage and modern-day "cultural cringe." Is it less about a genuine hatred of individual English people and more about a reaction against the perceived dominance and arrogance of English football within the Anglo-Australian sporting pysche?

Is it a cultural defence mechanism or just a normal everyday dislike of Anglo's?

Ive been around local Australian soccer for years and rarely witness this disdain. But on football forums it's quite different....

And yes, forums become that space where fans compete to prove who is the "most authentic" football intellectual.

And of course, I get it that the internet is an accelerant for performative identity too...
 
Football us life said:
What's also interesting is the Australian of European descent undying hatred of England and English football culture....

And why they harbour a distinct "Anyone But England" sentiment.

It's not as if there's an actual bone fide rivalry between England and rhe Socceroos. They've played each other barely 10 times in friendly matches only.

It's quite a fascinating mix of historical baggage and modern-day "cultural cringe." Is it less about a genuine hatred of individual English people and more about a reaction against the perceived dominance and arrogance of English football within the Anglo-Australian sporting pysche?

Is it a cultural defence mechanism or just a normal everyday dislike of Anglo's?

Ive been around local Australian soccer for years and rarely witness this disdain. But on football forums it's quite different....

And yes, forums become that space where fans compete to prove who is the "most authentic" football intellectual.

And of course, I get it that the internet is an accelerant for performative identity too...
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Thats a really fancy way of saying "Wogs rule, skips pull" hahahahahahaha
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Thats a really fancy way of saying "Wogs rule, skips pull" hahahahahahaha
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I know this lovely Italian Aussie guy. Runs a trattorria in Brisbane and absolutely disdainfully sneers at English football....

Yet him and his wife went and seen Robbie Williams, Paul McCartney, Elton John, Adele, fucken Ed Sheeran....

Sometimes paying $300+ for a ticket!!

I always say he's got more of the English in you than he's willing to admit!! 😋
 
Football us life said:
I know this lovely Italian Aussie guy. Runs a trattorria in Brisbane and absolutely disdainfully sneers at English football....

Yet him and his wife went and seen Robbie Williams, Paul McCartney, Elton John, Adele, fucken Ed Sheeran....

Sometimes paying $300+ for a ticket!!

I always say he's got more of the English in you than he's willing to admit!! 😋
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I just can't support an England squad with no Liverpool players. :cool:
 
Football us life said:
What's also interesting is the Australian of European descent undying hatred of England and English football culture....

And why they harbour a distinct "Anyone But England" sentiment.

It's not as if there's an actual bone fide rivalry between England and rhe Socceroos. They've played each other barely 10 times in friendly matches only.

It's quite a fascinating mix of historical baggage and modern-day "cultural cringe." Is it less about a genuine hatred of individual English people and more about a reaction against the perceived dominance and arrogance of English football within the Anglo-Australian sporting pysche?

Is it a cultural defence mechanism or just a normal everyday dislike of Anglo's?

Ive been around local Australian soccer for years and rarely witness this disdain. But on football forums it's quite different....

And yes, forums become that space where fans compete to prove who is the "most authentic" football intellectual.

And of course, I get it that the internet is an accelerant for performative identity too...
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I don’t think it’s that deep, I think it’s just carried over from our rivalries in other sports (cricket, rugby, etc).
 
Football us life said:
On the subject of Argentinean defensive midfielders and getting sent off I noticed the great Boca and seleccion midfielder Antonio Rattin passed away the other day....

For anyone who might not know Rattin was infamously sent off in the 1966 World Cup Q- F against England while captaining Argentina.

89 yesrs old.– Great innings!
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... and refused to leave the pitch, and sat on the reed carpet laid out for the Queen!!! Que hombre!!
 
HonestSpursFan said:
I don’t think it’s that deep, I think it’s just carried over from our rivalries in other sports (cricket, rugby, etc).
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Cro's seem to be the worst....

And they're not even a proper country. Just a little bit of a state in former Yugoslavia....

A young Croatian-Aussie bloke is getting ready for a huge family dinner in Brisbane. He’s wearing a full, authentic, 2018 World Cup jersey, a checkered scarf, and he’s aggressively explaining to his mates at the pub why Croatia is the greatest footballing nation in human history.

His mate says, "Mate, settle down. It’s a country the size of Tasmania with a population smaller than Sydney. You’re acting like you’ve just conquered Rome."

The guy slams his beer down. "Tasmania? You’re comparing us to an island that has more sheep than people? Listen, we aren't just a country we’re Croatia, a state of mind that happens to have a FIFA ranking! We don’t need 'land mass' to be giants! We have heart, we have spirit, and we have Modric!"

His mate sighs, "Right, fair enough. So, are you going to the Roar game at Suncorp tonight?"

The guy looks at him like he’s insane. "Suncorp? Are you kidding? It’s $30 for a ticket and it’s a Tuesday night! I’m staying home to watch the highlights on my laptop."

"Oh," the mate says. "So you're a giant of world football, but you’re too stingy to pay for a ticket to watch a local match?"

The guy winks. "Mate, I save my money for the really important stuff... like buying airfare to visit a country I've only ever seen on Google Maps."
 
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