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Best overseas leagues for Aussies?

LFC

In the first decade the AL was perceived as a tough physical league, but low on technique and tactics - until the changed national methodology.

It came up in coaching courses all the time. When the AL first played ACL, Asian teams struggled with the Aus physicality.

The Football Aus Tech Dept definitely wanted us to improve technically and tactically. It came up at every coaching course and national conferences.
 
LFC said:
CS, fair point but I doubt it.
Also another good point re rankings - which do you actually believe is the right ?
D quoted that MLS was above Champ prob from another site for eg.......
My check right now goggling

Below Popularity ranking from 1 site
  • American Football: ~36% to 52% of sports fans
  • Basketball: ~17% to 43% of sports fans
  • Soccer: ~10% of sports fans
  • Baseball: ~9% of sports fans

Most Participated ranking - have no clue which bowling
  • Bowling (~69 million participants)
  • Basketball (~26 million+ participants)
  • Softball/Baseball (~40 million and ~16 million respectively)
  • Golf (Tens of millions of players)
  • Soccer (~14+ million outdoor participants)
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I only watch Aleague so I can't really comment. When I think about how to judge a league it is mostly done by following Aleague guys and seeing which leagues they do well in vs which leagues they struggle in.

But the analytic tools are more useful than the opinion of anyone unless they are consistently watching the leagues they are comparing. Like when following AA, almost no one is watching these games regularly.

Until now I hadn't actually looked this up, I had heard the champ was ranked 6th in the world, maybe that was a different ranking system. But 6th is pretty close to 9th in any case. The analytics can't give the whole answer, but they will generally give the correct vibe. But then even within each league, getting to a bigger club and playing there is important as well. Because these clubs have much greater competition for places and the difference in european leagues top and bottom is much greater than salary capped leagues like Aleague, Jleague, MLS.

So if someone says they watch regular matches in both leagues, can outline the differences and why one is better than the other. That is useful. If they don't watch games and it is perception, I'll take the analytics.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
You need to get your head out of the internet and start going to real football matches to see how boring they have become. Your modern day analytical shite is fooling no one.
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It is ubiquitous at the World Cup, SB.

I’ve attended, and coached local NPL, state youth, rep youth.

I think that ‘is heading out of the internet’.

Also, the methodology you repudiate, has been imparted in coach education by Football Fed Aus, and now Football Fed Aus, for the last 18 years. It is also based on an amalgam of French, Dutch and Spanish practices.
 
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Cunningstunt said:
I only watch Aleague so I can't really comment. When I think about how to judge a league it is mostly done by following Aleague guys and seeing which leagues they do well in vs which leagues they struggle in.

But the analytic tools are more useful than the opinion of anyone unless they are consistently watching the leagues they are comparing. Like when following AA, almost no one is watching these games regularly.

Until now I hadn't actually looked this up, I had heard the champ was ranked 6th in the world, maybe that was a different ranking system. But 6th is pretty close to 9th in any case. The analytics can't give the whole answer, but they will generally give the correct vibe. But then even within each league, getting to a bigger club and playing there is important as well. Because these clubs have much greater competition for places and the difference in european leagues top and bottom is much greater than salary capped leagues like Aleague, Jleague, MLS.

So if someone says they watch regular matches in both leagues, can outline the differences and why one is better than the other. That is useful. If they don't watch games and it is perception, I'll take the analytics.
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One of the issues arising is the AL is a summer league played in hot weather, CS.

As others sagely point out, it is difficult to increase Squeezing intensity in the AL in persistent hot conditions, in a relatively hot country. It is arising in international games that when good teams Squeeze intensively, Aussies can’t keep the ball well enough.

In the AL, and sometimes the ACL, Aussies keep the ball well, but the Squeezing of intensity of opponents is minimal.
 
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Decentric said:
One of the issues arising is the AL is a summer league played in hot weather, CS.

As others sagely point out, it is difficult to increase Squeezing intensity in the AL in persistent hot conditions, in a relatively hot country. It is arising in international games that when good teams Squeeze intensively, Aussies can’t keep the ball well enough.
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Yeah you see a lot of trouble for players leaving the Aleague but also with imports coming in. There are plenty of guys with good resumes who struggle or have an adjustment period.
The other downside is the viewing quality, which makes selling the league more difficult.
 
Cunningstunt said:
Yeah you see a lot of trouble for players leaving the Aleague but also with imports coming in. There are plenty of guys with good resumes who struggle or have an adjustment period.
The other downside is the viewing quality, which makes selling the league more difficult.
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Given that Aus players leaving for Europe, Japan, USA, have such mixed success overseas, from some info from Arnie, plus former TDs Baan and Berger, if all AL teams could play 26 home and away AL games, plus 8-10 ACL games per season, like Mac and Melb City did last season, it would be ideal.
 
And those bunch of games is still not enough nor standards required.
We need 32games min league for one.
Our overall ACL history is quite lame.
We struggle.
The other Asian main clubs spend more $’s on players and deeper talented squads.
We are not good enough with the current caps and closed comp restricting development and more competition.
 
Decentric said:
One of the issues arising is the AL is a summer league played in hot weather, CS.

As others sagely point out, it is difficult to increase Squeezing intensity in the AL in persistent hot conditions, in a relatively hot country. It is arising in international games that when good teams Squeeze intensively, Aussies can’t keep the ball well enough.

In the AL, and sometimes the ACL, Aussies keep the ball well, but the Squeezing of intensity of opponents is minimal.
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Very few Australians ever have been at an elite level in terms of being able to keep the ball under extreme pressure or in tight places. Since the Golden Gen, perhaps Mooy? Volpato showed he is probably one of those players in the first 10 minutes he was on the field.
 
Decentric said:
It is ubiquitous at the World Cup, SB.

I’ve attended, and coached local NPL, state youth, rep youth.

I think that ‘is heading out of the internet’.

Also, the methodology you repudiate, has been imparted in coach education by Football Fed Aus, and now Football Fed Aus, for the last 18 years. It is also based on an amalgam of French, Dutch and Spanish practices.
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I give no monkeys what you have done, you are part of the problem that is destroying football as i and many others know it.
 
ClockworkOrange said:
Very few Australians ever have been at an elite level in terms of being able to keep the ball under extreme pressure or in tight places. Since the Golden Gen, perhaps Mooy? Volpato showed he is probably one of those players in the first 10 minutes he was on the field.
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If one goes back to the GG, they were no better.

The best rapid fire passers and movers in tight spaces were Grella, Culina and Bresc, but against the gegenpressing of modern teams they would be no better.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
I give no monkeys what you have done, you are part of the problem that is destroying football as i and many others know it.
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How could you improve it if appointed as an AL or Football Aus Tech Dir?

If the game is ostensibly problematic?

How do you define Aus football as ‘destroyed?’
 
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Sutherlandbear said:
Your opinion.
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Based on results at national level with youth and seniors over the last decade.

Empirically, they’ve won a few underage WCs - which hasn’t happened before. That was under Southgate and Steve Holland’s tutelage.

Empirically, their results at senior level in the last 2 WCs and last 2 Euro Champs.
 
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And those bunch of games is still not enough nor standards required.
We need 32games min league for one.
Our overall ACL history is quite lame.
We struggle.
The other Asian main clubs spend more $’s on players and deeper talented squads.
We are not good enough with the current caps and closed comp restricting development and more competition.
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Portugal, Eredivisie both have 34 games and Belgium has 30 per season. According to one of our fellow posters. .

Given the high rankings of their leagues, and, the general success of their national teams, they aren’t bad models to follow.

Plus our players’ skill sets and tactical nous improves for the national team when they play there.
 
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