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LFC said:
yes sad it is NCB for the rest of us generally as well.
VIC I get it from back the early days due all its manufacturing, massive Union State therefore the labor remote control/habit vote even though some carry on look at the opposition.
Well look what they keep having as well - utter train wrecks.
Holden/Ford pulled out 2016/17 - Toyota followed - the massive bulk of manufacturing and countless smaller sub suppliers gonnnne.
I know of some other small Industry manufacturer's have also gone belly up since and last 2/3yrs.
Yet keep voting Labor than worrying about politician's "gift" accountability.
Where were youse all the decades Labor kept getting away with murder ?!
Not pointing at you specifically TSF.

Here in NSW I recall Prem O'Farrell lost the job over a paltry bottle of Grange not validating as gift.
I mean seriously what a joke, only the jealous ones make a issue of these types of gifts, I get mega thousands make an issue of but petty is petty as the OFarrell case beat up.
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Just to clarify, the car manufacturers stopped building vehicles in Australia when the federal government in 2013 (Tony Abbot and his treasurer Joe Hockey) ceased funding of the three car manufacturers. Toyota, Holden and Ford kept some design and testing facilities operating until 2020 when the contractual obligations ceased. Nothing to do with state government policies either in Victoria or SA.
 
I am bemused by all the doom Vic is getting here when demographers keep maintaining that Melbourne & Victoria will have the largest population overtaking Sydney & NSW within the next 10 years. We keep getting job applications from refugees from Sydney all the time. I have mentored quite a few graduates.
 
WhatAmIWatching said:
Just to clarify, the car manufacturers stopped building vehicles in Australia when the federal government in 2013 (Tony Abbot and his treasurer Joe Hockey) ceased funding of the three car manufacturers. Toyota, Holden and Ford kept some design and testing facilities operating until 2020 when the contractual obligations ceased. Nothing to do with state government policies either in Victoria or SA.
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To clarify the point is due to Vic being for decades a major Australian manufacturing hub the Labor/Union influence was massive.
Still is despite everything shutdown.
I’m in the industry I know perfectly the background what you quote might I add and there are many pieces to the puzzle.
To correct you Ford still has their design operations at Geelong and are still employing doing designs for ford Asia and other jobs Ford USA pass on for other markets.
 
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By the way and I hope you do finally achieve a higher pop than Sydney long overdue the point why many leave is Sydney’s high living costs ba boom.
You have more jobs available because post covid many have moved north mainly to Qld reports have shown in turn lifting Qlds property avg values.
 
LFC said:
Here in NSW I recall Prem O'Farrell lost the job over a paltry bottle of Grange not validating as gift.
I mean seriously what a joke, only the jealous ones make a issue of these types of gifts, I get mega thousands make an issue of but petty is petty as the OFarrell case beat up.
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Chris Hartcher says hi. If you think that was why O'Farrell lost the job I think I have a bridge I can sell you.
 
patjennings said:
Chris Hartcher says hi. If you think that was why O'Farrell lost the job I think I have a bridge I can sell you.
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No need to - there is always more but couldn’t be bothered adding turning post into paragraphs long that drive us all nuts.
Besides patj main point was gifts.
When in good positions no matter which industry or position receiving a gift turned into a big OTT no no - minor ones no big deal as I’ve mentioned before but for eg 50k hand out up then I understand.
 
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tsf said:
So what doe she offer besides a commendable amount of cliches in a very, very short window?
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Better policies and aiming to fix the state. Victoria’s in a mess, look at their debt, crime, wastes of money, etc. Victorians deserve better than what Labor’s given them for the past 12 years.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Better policies and aiming to fix the state. Victoria’s in a mess, look at their debt, crime, wastes of money, etc. Victorians deserve better than what Labor’s given them for the past 12 years.
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Which policies in particular are you keen on, and how are they planning to fix the state? Interested to hear your views as I don't really follow Victorian politics much.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Better policies and aiming to fix the state. Victoria’s in a mess, look at their debt, crime, wastes of money, etc. Victorians deserve better than what Labor’s given them for the past 12 years.
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Like what? What better policies?

Victorian liberals are somehow even worse than the current mob

Not being a smart arse. Would genuinely like to know what they can do better.
 
Toebash said:
Which policies in particular are you keen on, and how are they planning to fix the state? Interested to hear your views as I don't really follow Victorian politics much.
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I want to know too, because I actually have to vote
 
Toebash said:
Which policies in particular are you keen on, and how are they planning to fix the state? Interested to hear your views as I don't really follow Victorian politics much.
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tsf said:
Like what? What better policies?

Victorian liberals are somehow even worse than the current mob

Not being a smart arse. Would genuinely like to know what they can do better.
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Lifting the payroll tax threshold, stamp duty exemptions for first-home buyers (very important for young people who can’t afford houses), more funding for roads, planning reform in housing, reducing energy costs, ending wasteful spending to redirect it to essential services, reducing crime, etc.

Here’s a copy of their entire manifesto for the election, seeing as you’re voting:


Now, compare this to Labor who are aiming to keep the status quo. Victoria is the highest-taxing and most indebted state in Australia. There have been insane wastes of money under Labor, like $589 million to not host the Commonwealth Games. The corruption and rorting will only continue if Labor stay in power, and realistically there’s only one other option: the Coalition, specifically the Liberal/National Coalition.
 
WhatAmIWatching said:
I am bemused by all the doom Vic is getting here when demographers keep maintaining that Melbourne & Victoria will have the largest population overtaking Sydney & NSW within the next 10 years. We keep getting job applications from refugees from Sydney all the time. I have mentored quite a few graduates.
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If you're not living in Sydney you're camping out - Paul Keating 😁
 
I know it's fashionable to bash Melbourne but it’s not completely gone to shit — the last time I was there, I thought well, the food, coffee, and especially the cultural stuff are still strong — but I did think some of the fundamentals felt a bit off....

The visible side, there seems more people sleeping rough, rubbish building up in parts of the CBD and inner suburbs, trains and stations feeling a bit less ordered....

But the cultural side still has real energy.

Music venues, galleries, theatre, the food scene, festivals.....that part of Melbourne hasn’t collapsed. You can still find proper late-night gigs, strong independent art, and restaurants that punch well above their weight. All sorts of people might be upping sticks and fucking off but lots of the creative class is still around and still producing.

For instance I like jazz and thw jazz scene in Melbourne is as good as anywhere....

It's easy for me to say mind!

As a visitor you can drop in, catch some good jazz, eat well, and leave before the daily friction starts grinding. The culture is still delivering for short stays. It’s the people who live there full-time who feel the weight of the housing pressure, the safety issues, the general sense that basic competence has slipped.Every city has its rough edges. The difference is usually in the trajectory — whether the problems are being managed, ignored, or actively getting worse

But to be fair, that's the same for any major city.....

Some places just hide it better or deal with it more effectively!
 
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