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Sharkman84 said:
citynews.com.au

How fear of the 'race card' is threatening fairness | Canberra CityNews

"If racial prejudice, hostility, stereotyping and assumptions can only ever travel in one direction, then we have ceased talking about racism as most ordinary Australians understand it," writes GWYN REES.
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That article is about people (with a focus on the UK) not calling something racist when it probably was. That’s the opposite of what I was asking you to provide an example of.
 
Toebash said:
That article is about people (with a focus on the UK) not calling something racist when it probably was. That’s the opposite of what I was asking you to provide an example of.
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Look no further than the current debate on immigration.

The public has been saying that immigration is way too high and part of the cause of the housing crisis in this country and there's mouth-breathers on the Left attempting to shut down the debate claiming the debate is rooted in racism.

Then the same dingbats then scratch their heads wondering why Pauline Hanson is now preferred Prime Minister.

Like what's going on over in the UK, this is all to do with the major parties refusing to do anything about the mass immigration in this country.

That's not racism and you know it.
 
Football us life said:
Labor has "locked down" ( pardon the pun) Victorian politics since 2014 with those three straight wins (big majorities in 2018/2022)....

The big reason?

Melbourne and its booming outer suburbs hold most of the seats. That's where young families, migrants, public servants with their gold plated pensions and progressive voters stack up heavily for Labor.


The electoral map wastes a lot of Coalition and One Nation votes out in the regions. Preferential voting lets Labor win on lower primaries if preferences flow their way. Add in a ruthless party machine, the "we build stuff" incumbency spin and constant LNP Opposition infighting.

Even with crap polls now and trippers One Nation splitting the right, geography + preferences could still deliver them another minority or narrow win in November.

Inner city green voters keep the streak alive too often "preferencing" Labor. Sometimes religiously!!

Coalition needs approx 32-35%+ primary vote, strong One Nation prefs flowing their way, and a solid 54%+ TPP swing to crack Melbourne's suburban seats..

Win the marginals in outer growth areas. Fix right-wing vote splitting or inner-city Green hipster prefs will keep trendy Labor clinging on. Geography, as always in Australian politics is the killer here!!
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There's a lot of hyperbolic language to unpack in there.
 
zimbos05 said:
The issue is that when a white person is responsible, they don't demand them to be sent back, or prevent migration from those countries
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Proportionality, that's why. Last year in Germany 2 Japanese people committed an offence whereas Algerians were something like 1300% more likely to offend. Then the left come out saying the policing is racist. Anyone who commits a crime as a non citizen is to be deported while if we saw an increased trend from violent Irish migrants then increased vetting would be prudent.

If we're going to look at skin colour then perhaps the Balkan countries are an area where some press has been given to offences. People are sickened by the crime and want them gone too. The African community are doing great things but have the challenge of youth and gang crime that seems to need a solution from within. This was denied years ago of even existing and now all the CCTV footage on footpaths, shopping centres and homes show the politicians had their heads in the sand. Countries need a no dickheads policy and you've got people who migrated 40 years ago saying any newcomer misbehaving has to go no matter where they're from.
 
JS96 said:
Proportionality, that's why. Last year in Germany 2 Japanese people committed an offence whereas Algerians were something like 1300% more likely to offend. Then the left come out saying the policing is racist. Anyone who commits a crime as a non citizen is to be deported while if we saw an increased trend from violent Irish migrants then increased vetting would be prudent.

If we're going to look at skin colour then perhaps the Balkan countries are an area where some press has been given to offences. People are sickened by the crime and want them gone too. The African community are doing great things but have the challenge of youth and gang crime that seems to need a solution from within. This was denied years ago of even existing and now all the CCTV footage on footpaths, shopping centres and homes show the politicians had their heads in the sand. Countries need a no dickheads policy and you've got people who migrated 40 years ago saying any newcomer misbehaving has to go no matter where they're from.
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You're not wrong in that anyone who causes trouble needs to face the law. I too get frustrated when I see some people not fully embrace the correct ideals and ethos. I honestly don't mind if we are stricter on migration or reduced numbers, it just needs to be not so racially motivated.

Again, that's not the rhetoric out of the right though. From them, they create fear of anyone of colour, and only target those of colour. It can also look like it's only one group doing something when selective evidence is presented.
 
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Someone asked for a definition of racism?


“At the centre of this crisis is the utterly flawed policy of multiculturalism. We cannot be a multicultural society. We are a multiracial society, but we must be monocultural. Australians must live under the one cultural umbrella.

Under the failed policy of multiculturalism, all cultures are allowed equivalence to ours. Surely opposing that is not racist; it’s common sense.”
 
If only we were as proud as other countries. The Colombians were so loud and proud singing their anthem. Yet we’re not allowed to be.
 
Sharkman84 said:
Look no further than the current debate on immigration.

The public has been saying that immigration is way too high and part of the cause of the housing crisis in this country and there's mouth-breathers on the Left attempting to shut down the debate claiming the debate is rooted in racism.

Then the same dingbats then scratch their heads wondering why Pauline Hanson is now preferred Prime Minister.

Like what's going on over in the UK, this is all to do with the major parties refusing to do anything about the mass immigration in this country.

That's not racism and you know it.
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Some voices to the debate are certainly at least partly rooted in racism. Pointing that out isn't "shutting down" debate, it's adding a perspective to the debate. We need robust conversations in a democracy.

I agree that immigration is part of the cause of the housing crisis, but it isn't the biggest one. Bureaucratic red tape, inflation (in particular in building material costs) and tax incentives for investors (that Labor now proposes to remove) are all important factors. I'll observe that house prices continued increasing during 2021 despite immigration being at its lowest levels in generations (in fact I think it was negative). If immigration was really a large factor in housing prices you would have expected them to drop significantly during that period.

I'd rather we sorted the three issues I identified above rather than immigration to sort the housing crisis because:

1. they're all more important factors;
2. cutting down significantly on immigration is going to really fuck our economy and our ability to provide for an aging population going forwards; and
3. a bigger Australia is more influential on a global scale, and I think that's important for our national security.

I don't think anyone is scratching their heads about why Pauline is preferred Prime Minister in public opinion polling at the moment. She has correctly identified a lot of people's current concerns. What I am personally scratching my head at is how to communicate to people precisely why Pauline has no solutions to their problems and why she will in fact likely make them much worse.

Also, I don't think the "mass immigration" happening in the UK has any real relevance to Australia. I live in London; the UK is a completely different country with different issues. Also, the UK has roughly half the foreign born population of Australia, so if immigration is really that much of an issue in the UK, it should be twice as bad at home (but we all know that's not the case).
 
Toebash said:
Some voices to the debate are certainly at least partly rooted in racism. Pointing that out isn't "shutting down" debate, it's adding a perspective to the debate. We need robust conversations in a democracy.

I agree that immigration is part of the cause of the housing crisis, but it isn't the biggest one. Bureaucratic red tape, inflation (in particular in building material costs) and tax incentives for investors (that Labor now proposes to remove) are all important factors. I'll observe that house prices continued increasing during 2021 despite immigration being at its lowest levels in generations (in fact I think it was negative). If immigration was really a large factor in housing prices you would have expected them to drop significantly during that period.

I'd rather we sorted the three issues I identified above rather than immigration to sort the housing crisis because:

1. they're all more important factors;
2. cutting down significantly on immigration is going to really fuck our economy and our ability to provide for an aging population going forwards; and
3. a bigger Australia is more influential on a global scale, and I think that's important for our national security.

I don't think anyone is scratching their heads about why Pauline is preferred Prime Minister in public opinion polling at the moment. She has correctly identified a lot of people's current concerns. What I am personally scratching my head at is how to communicate to people precisely why Pauline has no solutions to their problems and why she will in fact likely make them much worse.

Also, I don't think the "mass immigration" happening in the UK has any real relevance to Australia. I live in London; the UK is a completely different country with different issues. Also, the UK has roughly half the foreign born population of Australia, so if immigration is really that much of an issue in the UK, it should be twice as bad at home (but we all know that's not the case).
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I agree housing affordability is a multi-factorial problem.

BUT

Immigration is a very important driver of the demand side for housing. The projections was that Australia would reach 28 million in 2051. It happened in 2026. Most of it by immigration.

That's important because the sharp increase in population was not taken into account in government policies around land release, infrastructure eg schools, roads, health and ageing support. The projection was we wouldn't need to that until 2051.

The other major factor is the monetary policy.

Former RBA chief Phillip Lowe should go down in history the most incompetent ever. He held rates far too low for too long at a time when the government was throwing money at everyone and everything.

He then reacted too late and went too hard when he finally saw what he had done, lighting a bonfire under inflation which was obvious to a first year economics student but not him, ScoMO and Albo. His and the government's monetary policies are not only a major driver of house prices, but also inflation, and reduced private sector jobs growth and productivity.

The CGT concessions and NG are relatively minor in the scheme of it all, IMO, maybe 5% if that. That's just politics of envy and division that modern Labor relies on to win elections.
 
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