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'The federal Coalition is plotting to reveal economic reform and explain the pain that would be caused by Pauline Hanson’s zero-immigration policy."

lol, their supporters don't think ahead to the next day, let alone long-term future prosperity
 
Greens are more tree-hugging liberals than actual traditional left
Not at all. The Greens may be weak at it but the Greens are very leftist, even more so than Labor, on economic, environmental, foreign policy and social issues. The name may not suggest it but they advocate for more than climate change. It’s also worth noting that the most progressive or conservative position in broad topics isn’t always the best one. For example: “ban coal” (very progressive) ≠ “let’s phase out coal” (centrist) ≠ “let’s keep using coal” (very conservative).
 
Not at all. The Greens may be weak at it but the Greens are very leftist, even more so than Labor, on economic, environmental, foreign policy and social issues. The name may not suggest it but they advocate for more than climate change. It’s also worth noting that the most progressive or conservative position in broad topics isn’t always the best one. For example: “ban coal” (very progressive) ≠ “let’s phase out coal” (centrist) ≠ “let’s keep using coal” (very conservative).
I don't agree.

All the greens voters I see around, or know of, are basically the spawn of liberal voters who think they have a conscience.

They wear a 'Always was always will be' t-shirt'but don't know any aboriginals, donlt know any multicultural people besides the jamaican at their calypso drumming class.

They usually all have a hefty property portfolio, and all went to private schools.
 
I don't agree.

All the greens voters I see around, or know of, are basically the spawn of liberal voters who think they have a conscience.

They wear a 'Always was always will be' t-shirt'but don't know any aboriginals, donlt know any multicultural people besides the jamaican at their calypso drumming class.

They usually all have a hefty property portfolio, and all went to private schools.
They’re usually renters but some are champagne socialists. Liberal and especially Nationals voters are more likely to know Indigenous people because they’re more present in the regions, and per capita the regions are way more Indigenous than major cities (many Indigenous also vote for the Coalition too, many also voted No to the Voice, even though many traditionally supported Labor). Labor voters would be more likely to know more people from multicultural communities but not by a huge margin as Liberal voters also live in the cities. The Liberals have a big base in specific multicultural communities too, especially East/South Asian and European voters.

If you read the Greens’ policies, even ignoring the very obvious differences in social policies, they support higher taxes, higher welfare payments, higher public spending and lower defence spending which are all very against economically conservative, pro-business, pro-economy policies. They may not be protectionist lefties like the old Labor Party was back in the day but they still are very economically leftist. Their foreign policy is also quite left-wing, leaning more towards communist powers and dictatorships like China rather than the West.

I describe the Greens and Liberals as holding Eastern and Western foreign policies respectively. Eastern foreign policy generally leans towards China, Iran, Russia, Venezuela, etc while a Western foreign policy supports NATO countries plus their allies like Australia, India, Japan, etc. Those who support Eastern foreign policy generally support Palestine and Russia, while a Western foreign policy would support Ukraine and be either neutral on the Gaza issue but support Israel’s existence, or they would support Israel. However, it’s really more nuanced than that in the West, as the Western left usually doesn’t support Russia, while many ultraconservatives such as many MAGA Republicans and Groypers are supportive of Israel are also supportive of Russia. In South Africa, the ANC holds a clearly Eastern foreign policy: they recognise Venezuela’s government, have little relations with Taiwan, support close ties with China and Russia (albeit whilst still maintaining longstanding Western ties), dodge questions on Ukraine (basically aiming for neutrality) and don’t sanction Belarus or Russia, recognise both states but support Palestine and regularly criticise Israel, etc, whereas the DA holds a clearly Western foreign policy: they support keeping Western ties, don’t agree that South Africa should take Israel to the ICJ for alleged genocide, and perhaps most notably strongly support Ukraine (John Steenhuizen went to Ukraine and met Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the DA-controlled Western Cape was the only province to pass a resolution condemning the war in Ukraine and the DA-controlled Cape Town City Council lit up the Cape Town City Hall in the colours of the Ukrainian flag). The ANC is the governing (albeit internally corrupt) centre-left party and gets its base from poorer Black communities, while the DA is the second-largest party (traditionally the opposition though currently part of an ANC-led minority government) that gets its support from middle-class and upper-class people, usually Asians, Coloureds, Indians and Whites, hence its popularity in Cape Town.

So back to my point about the Greens: they hold economically left-wing views and support Eastern foreign policy. They
 
They’re usually renters but some are champagne socialists. Liberal and especially Nationals voters are more likely to know Indigenous people because they’re more present in the regions, and per capita the regions are way more Indigenous than major cities (many Indigenous also vote for the Coalition too, many also voted No to the Voice, even though many traditionally supported Labor). Labor voters would be more likely to know more people from multicultural communities but not by a huge margin as Liberal voters also live in the cities. The Liberals have a big base in specific multicultural communities too, especially East/South Asian and European voters.

If you read the Greens’ policies, even ignoring the very obvious differences in social policies, they support higher taxes, higher welfare payments, higher public spending and lower defence spending which are all very against economically conservative, pro-business, pro-economy policies. They may not be protectionist lefties like the old Labor Party was back in the day but they still are very economically leftist. Their foreign policy is also quite left-wing, leaning more towards communist powers and dictatorships like China rather than the West.

I describe the Greens and Liberals as holding Eastern and Western foreign policies respectively. Eastern foreign policy generally leans towards China, Iran, Russia, Venezuela, etc while a Western foreign policy supports NATO countries plus their allies like Australia, India, Japan, etc. Those who support Eastern foreign policy generally support Palestine and Russia, while a Western foreign policy would support Ukraine and be either neutral on the Gaza issue but support Israel’s existence, or they would support Israel. However, it’s really more nuanced than that in the West, as the Western left usually doesn’t support Russia, while many ultraconservatives such as many MAGA Republicans and Groypers are supportive of Israel are also supportive of Russia. In South Africa, the ANC holds a clearly Eastern foreign policy: they recognise Venezuela’s government, have little relations with Taiwan, support close ties with China and Russia (albeit whilst still maintaining longstanding Western ties), dodge questions on Ukraine (basically aiming for neutrality) and don’t sanction Belarus or Russia, recognise both states but support Palestine and regularly criticise Israel, etc, whereas the DA holds a clearly Western foreign policy: they support keeping Western ties, don’t agree that South Africa should take Israel to the ICJ for alleged genocide, and perhaps most notably strongly support Ukraine (John Steenhuizen went to Ukraine and met Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the DA-controlled Western Cape was the only province to pass a resolution condemning the war in Ukraine and the DA-controlled Cape Town City Council lit up the Cape Town City Hall in the colours of the Ukrainian flag). The ANC is the governing (albeit internally corrupt) centre-left party and gets its base from poorer Black communities, while the DA is the second-largest party (traditionally the opposition though currently part of an ANC-led minority government) that gets its support from middle-class and upper-class people, usually Asians, Coloureds, Indians and Whites, hence its popularity in Cape Town.

So back to my point about the Greens: they hold economically left-wing views and support Eastern foreign policy. They
Tell chatGPT to put more paragraphs in next time matey.
 
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So I had a girlfriend many years ago who was a vegetarian, Green Party member and activist...

Nice middle class girl, much like the group above.
 
pretty appropiate their placards are like the map of tasmania - someone should tell them turn them around :)
 
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Tell chatGPT to put more paragraphs in next time matey.
I wrote it myself.

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So I had a girlfriend many years ago who was a vegetarian, Green Party member and activist...

Nice middle class girl, much like the group above.
Actual poor people don’t really campaign that often and party membership is expensive. I still don’t see the correlation though. There are voters from every group (economic, ethnic or otherwise) in every party, even Muslims who vote for One Nation.
 
I wrote it myself.


Actual poor people don’t really campaign that often and party membership is expensive. I still don’t see the correlation though. There are voters from every group (economic, ethnic or otherwise) in every party, even Muslims who vote for One Nation.

You're exactly right of course. Putting people in boxes is a bit of an easy cop-out....

I do it myself and I know it's not the right thing to do!
 
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