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[tsf]

Explain the war crimes again for the slow of mind

Ben roberts smith going into Greenland and finger jamming the locals

 

[Muz]

I think that most of these hipster-activist movements are not built on a comprehensive assessment of global suffering, but on identity, proximity, and perceived leverage. The Israel v Palestine conflict resonates in Western activist spaces because it intersects with local debates on colonialism, race, and immigration....

And when activists, international bodies, and these campus movements dedicate vastly disproportionate energy to condemning Israel while often remaining silent on mass atrocities in Syria, Sudan, or China’s treatment of Uyghurs, or Iran massacre of its own citizens, the disparity ceases to look like principled humanitarianism. It begins to resemble a targeted campaign.

And that's why some people do question why?

[Disclaimer] Also I'm not supporting Israel and their genocide in Gaza and I'm not parroting sky news or fox news.

Just pointing out an observation that I have.

Ok fine about hipster activists with blue hair and nose rings.

So where are your conservatives then or right wingers?

Do they not give a fuck or are they too lazy or do they lack empathy about any of these issues overseas?

Or do they just limit themselves to anti immigration rallies?

 

[Muz]

I don't particularly have any major problems with the pro-Islamist protesters down at the Opera House on October the 8th screaming "where's da jews...where's da jews...." and so on.

I mean there's an unsavoury element to it of course but as far as I'm concerned all is fair in love and war.....

I just get annoyed by the faux-outrage chanting "River to the Sea" or "Globalise the Intifada" hipster types in their box fresh Yasser Arafat scarves who, let's be honest here, did not have a actual clue which river and which sea or wha

They're not mine. I hate them. Probably should all be locked up in a mental institution....

The rhetorical 'your' not the personal 'your'.

Twice I've been caught with ambiguous phrases. I'll have to be more explicit.

The point still stands though, why is it up to 'leftards' to shoulder the world's burdens?

 

[zimbos05]

OK, AGAIN, Ill try and not gloss over your comments and address them as carefully as I can:

I have NO problem with anyone of any faith, let alone Muslims. I have Muslim friends (yes yes I know the the old trope about people saying they aren't racist because they have one friend, but I actually DO have quite a few muzzie friends.. its a bit hard NOT to growing up in Melbourne). If you take my criticism as aggression toward Muslims specifically then I apologise (Yet again) but that is not my intent. To be perfectly honest I find some of the concepts in the Quran towards others and even towards women, to be a lot fiarer than the Bible and vastly better than the Torah. I DO disgaree with a lot oif the Quran but again thats from a philosophical standpoint and would happily debate it with you as a conversation... Its got NOTHING to do with hate, just a differing of opinion and perception. I think "my way" is better than yours... is that such a hard concept to grasp?

Anyway getting back to my perceived aggression, to make it clear as I can.

I HATE Muslims that use Allah as an excuse to kill Jews or Christians ... thats it, pure and simple, black and white.

In the same breath I would hate Jews that kill Muslims or Christians JUST because their Torah told them so, or I would hate Christians that killed Muslims or Jews just because of their interpretation of the bible...

It's not a hard concept. I don't expect everyone to agree with me on everything. All I'm saying is that people can disagree, they just don't have to be mean or arrogant about it (not saying you are). However, some of the comments made in the past -because you believe your way is better- then tend to come across as though you are talking down to the other person. I know that I too can at times come across strongly, so for me it's introspection on something like this to go, "how can i be a better person in character in these moments".

To some degree I agree with you... we are ALL responsible for the leadership we allow...Do you then accept that the Gazans voting Hamas to rule them and commit murder on women and children Oct 7th are ALSO therfore to blame? - See what I'm getting at?

As for Fuck the Zionist over Fuck the Jews.... thats a clever little bit of word play and no different than Fuck the Islamist over Fuck the Muslims no?

The last Palestinian election was in 2006. Israel has not allowed them to hold an election since. That's 20 years ago. Many of the people who voted then have been killed. Just over half of Palestinians in Gaza in 2023 (so higher number now) could not vote in the 2006 elections because of their youth. In a recent poll in 2023, 44% of Palestinians said they don't have trust in Hamas. So to say that Gazans today are responsible for Hamas is like saying that all adult Australians today are responsible for John Howard. So I can't really accept that notion.

As for you second point. that's not the same thing. Islam is the religion, Muslims are the people who follow the religion. Judaism is the religion. Jews follow the religion. Zionism is not a religion. Zionists follow Zionism. They utilise Judaism for their means. Yes, extremists utilise Islam, but to say Fuck the Islamist, implies Islam is the problem. Fuck the Zionist does not imply anything about Judaism. It very clearly says the problem is Zionism. Even Jews have said this.

You cant hold everyone accountable for the comments of people who agree on other topics of conversation... I know I sound like an angry old man but your generation is fucked in the head that way... There is no such things as universality of thought, no such thing as ALL Leftards believe XYZ and all Fascists believe ABC....

Stop worrying about what "light" you are perceived in by total strangers on the internet. Unless I am mistaken and you have some sort of official capacity, your opinions expressed here are just that opinions as are everyone else's, fight for what you beleive in, express yourself with repect toward others (or at least as much as you can muster) and play ball...

I'm not holding everyone accountable for the comments of others. I'm simply stating that people are being disingenuous, and weaponising language and actions to push a very clear purpose.

I mean, Fascism is a very clear ideology, if a person identifies as a Fascist, then it would suggest they believe with the ideology. No?

I'm not worried about me. I'm concerned with the double standards which create a narrative that paints targets on the backs of more than 1 billion people. For my whole life, people like me have been painted as terrorists, followers of a cult, or 'jihadis'. When I say my whole life, I literally mean my whole life. That last part you say is what we have done for generations. Fought for what we believed in, expressed ourselves with respect, and yet we still have bene targeted, and attacked for it. I've been labelled a terrorist on this forum. I'm sorry if this offends you (it's not intended that way), but I don't have the same privilege you do.

 

[WhatAmIWatching]

I wasn't going to pipe in as this topic has consumed heaps of pages. I will note that the comparison between the Gaza genocide and other genocides is false. If you take Russia's destruction of Ukraine, the Australian government has economic and personal sanctions in place; South Sudan there are personal sanctions in place as Australia has no economic leverage over South Sudan. Iran, same applies. With Israel the government has no economic sanctions in place (at least that I am aware of) and personal sanctions are on a case by case.
Should Australian Jews be held accountable - well yes & no. Those who support the conquest of what little remains of Palestine should be held accountable for supporting ethnic cleansing and genocide; others no. I will point out that the British parliamentarian Sir Oswald Mosley openly supported Hitler and he was ostracised for that.

 

[tsf]

I wasn't going to pipe in as this topic has consumed heaps of pages. I will note that the comparison between the Gaza genocide and other genocides is false. If you take Russia's destruction of Ukraine, the Australian government has economic and personal sanctions in place; South Sudan there are personal sanctions in place as Australia has no economic leverage over South Sudan. Iran, same applies. With Israel the government has no economic sanctions in place (at least that I am aware of) and personal sanctions are on a case by case.
Should Australian Jews be held accountable - well yes & no. Those who support the conquest of what little remains of Palestine should be held accountable for supporting ethnic cleansing and genocide; others no. I will point out that the British parliamentarian Sir Oswald Mosley openly supported Hitler and he was ostracised for that.

That has alsways been my simple point. Why protest those genocides, nobody supports them. And also tries to stop them.

Western governments don’t apply any sanctions and in lots of case provide weapons for this one

 

[WhatAmIWatching]

And the treatment of the Uyghur Muslims in China?

Australia has sanctioned China's Government over this?

There's 12 million Uyghurs in China and they are treated appallingly.

We're talking torture, crimes against humanity such as birth prevention, and in many cases genocide. Some bodies such as the UN established that upto 2 million people might be held in 're-education' camps. Uyghurs make up less than 1% of China's population, they represent approximately 34% of the country's total prison population.

And you think the indigenous people of Australia are unfairly treated in the judicial system.

The United States, United Kingdom, Canada and others have formally recognized China’s actions as genocide.

Not Australia yet or at least I haven't seen it. But thats ok because people dont really want to hear about it and I'm sure someone will tell me different to fit the narrative....

The Chinese government continues to categorically deny all allegations of course, calling them "the lie of the century". The CCP maintains that its policies are necessary for counter-terrorism, poverty alleviation, and national security.....

So that's ok then....

Nothing to see here!

Actually here you make a good point - what to do when your economic lifeline depends on it. Australia's dependency on China was clearly highlighted when Morrison when apeshit with the Chinese and they cut off some Australian exports like crayfish and wine. Australia was left scrambling. China & the USA are Australian's Faustian pact.
So what can citizens do when your government commits the Faustian pact? They can protest but the MSM and others label them "lefties" or "lunar right". I remember when Peter Costello made the comment that lefties were making our youth anti-american - wonder what he thinks now with Trump in power. I will also note that Malcolm Fraser was very pro-American when in parliament but once retired he warned against the alliance and finally understood the criticism that many made that alliances are all one way.
And as far as the Indigenous people are concerned, have a look at the comments on this thread regarding those who want to change the Australia Day from January 26. BTW when I was in primary school, Victorian curriculum emphasised that it was the founding of Sydney (it wasn't - Jan 26 was when some British convicts went camping), WA celebrated the founding of the Swan River colony, Tasmania celebrated another day. And there is no effing way I will celebrate anything north of the Murray (footballers excepted).

 

[tsf]

I see you have a problem with billionaires paying no tax and getting government handouts to save their companies, while rallying against handouts to the people and blaming immigration for poverty.

Yet you use a iPhone!

 

[tsf]

If there was media showing and making people aware of tens of thousands of women and children getting blown to shithouse while lining up for food or in designated ‘safe zones’, while Chinese soldiers manically laugh and get pleasure from it, then there would be people in the streets protesting against our government being complicit in helping them achieve this.

 

[erogenouszone]

Yet you use a iPhone!

Sorry couldn't resist.

 

[Jetsfan]

If there was media showing and making people aware of tens of thousands of women and children getting blown to shithouse while lining up for food or in designated ‘safe zones’, while Chinese soldiers manically laugh and get pleasure from it, then there would be people in the streets protesting against our government being complicit in helping them achieve this.

You keep trying to justify your hatred of Jews, you don't have to justify it, just own it

 

[tsf]

You keep trying to justify your hatred of Jews, you don't have to justify it, just own it

nah, I just don't like thick people (you are ok though). I think religion is dumb, but won't hold that against them.

All the jews I know personally are great folks.

 

[tsf]

So those people in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane last week waving and in many cases wearing Palestinian flags and chanting anti-Zionist tropes such as "Globalise the Intafada" and "From the River to the Sea" are actually protesting at the Australian Labor Government who are complicit in enabling the rogue Government in Tel Aviv to exact their genocidal war in Gaza?

Ahhhh... Finally got it....

I dont know what half of them are protesting about entirely. I haven't watched or gone to any of them. Nor would I.

However the majority have probably seen the sick images and thought fuck this.

 

[Jetsfan]

nah, I just don't like thick people (you are ok though). I think religion is dumb, but won't hold that against them.

All the jews I know personally are great folks.

We agree on something, religion is dumb

 

[Muz]

We agree on something, religion is dumb

You sound like a godless communist to me.

 

[zimbos05]

I dont know what half of them are protesting about entirely. I haven't watched or gone to any of them. Nor would I.

However the majority have probably seen the sick images and thought fuck this.

You can protest both, the government carrying out the genocide and the government complicit in supporting them

 

[Muz]

Actually here you make a good point - what to do when your economic lifeline depends on it. Australia's dependency on China was clearly highlighted when Morrison when apeshit with the Chinese and they cut off some Australian exports like crayfish and wine. Australia was left scrambling. China & the USA are Australian's Faustian pact.
So what can citizens do when your government commits the Faustian pact? They can protest but the MSM and others label them "lefties" or "lunar right". I remember when Peter Costello made the comment that lefties were making our youth anti-american - wonder what he thinks now with Trump in power. I will also note that Malcolm Fraser was very pro-American when in parliament but once retired he warned against the alliance and finally understood the criticism that many made that alliances are all one way.
And as far as the Indigenous people are concerned, have a look at the comments on this thread regarding those who want to change the Australia Day from January 26. BTW when I was in primary school, Victorian curriculum emphasised that it was the founding of Sydney (it wasn't - Jan 26 was when some British convicts went camping), WA celebrated the founding of the Swan River colony, Tasmania celebrated another day. And there is no effing way I will celebrate anything north of the Murray (footballers excepted).

I'm not Morrison fan but to be fair he didn't go 'apeshit' at China. He rightly suggested that there should be a thorough investigation into how COVID originated and got out of China.

He was 100 per cent correct. Something that disrupted the world for 2 years and killed millions should be thoroughly investigated.

China were the ones that went 'apeshit' because Scomo had the 'gall' to suggest it should be looked at. Punished us accordingly and it took years to re-establish trade under Labor who no doubt will have learnt the lesson not to fuck with China.

It sucks when we're beholden to big players when they're engaged in bad behaviour.

 

[Sharkman84]

You can also protest against countries like Iran, Turkey and Qatar where the Government provides weaponry to Islamist terrorist groups like the militant wing of Hamas.

But hardly anyone does....

It's what is called selective outrage at best, anti-Semitism at worst.

 

[Muz]

You're completely correct but people will say...."I lnow but I can't be across everything...."

Which is, if course a fair point.

So select the easier or in many cases the more fashionable targets.

Weird though you never see any of the so called right leaning voters kick up about any of these issues. Their only tactics is to criticise 'lefty luvvies' for not caring about other issues.

Like, what's stopping you (not 'you', them) from being upset about these things?

 

[zimbos05]

You can also protest against countries like Iran, Turkey and Qatar where the Government provides weaponry to Islamist terrorist groups like the militant wing of Hamas.

But hardly anyone does....

There have been protests against Iran.

As for the other two, I'm not commenting on here say. Especially with that attempt to continue weaponised language