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JS96 said:

The thing that isn't happening keeps happening. Like the Melbourne gangland wars it's hopefully themselves killing each other off. The issue is it's creeping nearer to the rest of society.
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This I have trouble making sense of. People are pretty convinced crimes are going up. But digging into police statistics there doesn't seem to be evidence of more crimes being reported or more issues in underreporting

the one thing that is changing that could explain the perception that crime rates are going up is crime is happening more homogeneously. A generation ago, the crime was restricted in high crime neighbourhoods and most people had little direct experience with crime. These days, the fraction of people who know someone who has experienced a crime has gone up a lot even though the total number of crimes aren't getting worse as criminals move into low crime neighbourhoods
 
tsf said:
Widdle joshie frydenburg wants a royal commission into ‘anti-semitism’

Of course he doesn’t mind wasting taxpayer’s money.

What spend up to half a million dollars to answer something we could answer for free?
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I think you might mean billion? Royal commissions give something to stand on despite the obvious difference between anti semitism and fair criticism of politics.
 
grazorblade said:
This I have trouble making sense of. People are pretty convinced crimes are going up. But digging into police statistics there doesn't seem to be evidence of more crimes being reported or more issues in underreporting

the one thing that is changing that could explain the perception that crime rates are going up is crime is happening more homogeneously. A generation ago, the crime was restricted in high crime neighbourhoods and most people had little direct experience with crime. These days, the fraction of people who know someone who has experienced a crime has gone up a lot even though the total number of crimes aren't getting worse as criminals move into low crime neighbourhoods
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I knew plenty of people affected by crime growing up - two suffered armed robberies, one was murdered (in another robbery). Haven't seen anything for close on 40 years.
 
patjennings said:
I knew plenty of people affected by crime growing up - two suffered armed robberies, one was murdered (in another robbery). Haven't seen anything for close on 40 years.
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I think I'll use this as the reply to both posts.

It's true most places actually had higher crime back in the 70s and 80s. It's also interesting that a lot of it was violent crime too.

I guess technology has helped in preventing or deterring burglary. In turn perhaps there was a lull in crime where we felt society had really turned a corner. A stat may pinpoint it but growing up I was told the vast majority of people are kind and any crime reported was often met with shock.

Now with social media the information spreads so quickly and there's a mix of shock due to the ability of obtaining graphic footage but also we become more desensitised to it and it starts to be considered normal.

There's no doubt it's a dynamic situation and it's complicated. I also think it's a convenient excuse for those in charge as they can pick and choose how crimes stats are categorised and recorded and it gets very skewed. The German crime stats now have a subcategory of recent arrivals and they fold in longer term foreigners amongst total crime only whispering that it's 30% of the remaining 90%.
 
grazorblade said:
This I have trouble making sense of. People are pretty convinced crimes are going up. But digging into police statistics there doesn't seem to be evidence of more crimes being reported or more issues in underreporting

the one thing that is changing that could explain the perception that crime rates are going up is crime is happening more homogeneously. A generation ago, the crime was restricted in high crime neighbourhoods and most people had little direct experience with crime. These days, the fraction of people who know someone who has experienced a crime has gone up a lot even though the total number of crimes aren't getting worse as criminals move into low crime neighbourhoods
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I'll admit that if I see crime happening amongst gangs I'm not overly bothered.

When you see a cyclist get mugged by guys in scooters in London then you know it's creeping towards the general population.

Your last post is key I think. Instead of the same people being caught up in crime there's a spread where people have fallen victim to something not to mention the intimidation that something could happen. The way some individuals and groups carry on in Berlin and London on public transport makes you feel the need to be ready to defend yourself.

2002 a school mate was at Hornsby station and was set upon by 2 lads who were friendly and then suddenly 'give us your phone or we'll bash you'. They let him take out the sim card though.
 
patjennings said:
I knew plenty of people affected by crime growing up - two suffered armed robberies, one was murdered (in another robbery). Haven't seen anything for close on 40 years.
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yeah I mean I did find statistics that seemed to show the fraction of people that had seen a serious crime has gone up despite the total crime being the same
 
patjennings said:
The staggering statistic is suicides. There were 85 (39 DV) murders compared to 948 suicides in NSW in 2024.
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Not a laughing matter but we're statistically a bigger risk to ourselves?

It's grim and I loathe the shuffling around the matter. Companies don't give a shit about anyone's well being and a little cupcake or mediation PDF on RUOK? day is the antidote. We should take a war footing in such matters where we almost have too many competent mental health services. More so the societal issues causing it need to be mitigated.

Interesting how some Caribbean nations have the highest rates.
 
JS96 said:
I'll admit that if I see crime happening amongst gangs I'm not overly bothered.

When you see a cyclist get mugged by guys in scooters in London then you know it's creeping towards the general population.

Your last post is key I think. Instead of the same people being caught up in crime there's a spread where people have fallen victim to something not to mention the intimidation that something could happen. The way some individuals and groups carry on in Berlin and London on public transport makes you feel the need to be ready to defend yourself.

2002 a school mate was at Hornsby station and was set upon by 2 lads who were friendly and then suddenly 'give us your phone or we'll bash you'. They let him take out the sim card though.
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when I was a volunteer youth worker the gangs would only attack people in gangs and called non gang members "civilians" and it was really frowned upon if a "civilian" was attacked and you might even be attacked by a rival gang if a gang member attacked a civilian

so there might have been a change in culture
 
grazorblade said:
when I was a volunteer youth worker the gangs would only attack people in gangs and called non gang members "civilians" and it was really frowned upon if a "civilian" was attacked and you might even be attacked by a rival gang if a gang member attacked a civilian

so there might have been a change in culture
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Certainly in London the thieves ask who has value that can be stolen and it's the general public with things like phones and valuables. That's just general mugging I guess.

A new crime going around is being cornered and then having to transfer money from your phone at knife point. A lesson in keeping your checking account balance low or putting limits. Bloody ridiculous but they have dummy accounts somewhere which make tracing very hard.
 
grazorblade said:
when I was a volunteer youth worker the gangs would only attack people in gangs and called non gang members "civilians" and it was really frowned upon if a "civilian" was attacked and you might even be attacked by a rival gang if a gang member attacked a civilian

so there might have been a change in culture
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Can't understate the value of youth work and reach out groups. Got to keep going hard and hopefully those young people will see sense and break the chain and get into work or training and stop hanging around with dickheads.

Unfortunately the quick easy money corrupts the mind and some set ups threaten the family upon exiting the gang. Horrendous.
 
JS96 said:
Can't understate the value of youth work and reach out groups. Got to keep going hard and hopefully those young people will see sense and break the chain and get into work or training and stop hanging around with dickheads.

Unfortunately the quick easy money corrupts the mind and some set ups threaten the family upon exiting the gang. Horrendous.
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Some of those young people won't see sense if you just keep going hard at them. They'll just see what the gangs tell them, that they are being oppressed and put down. Not everyone in a gang is hardened or wanting to be there.
 
zimbos05 said:
Some of those young people won't see sense if you just keep going hard at them. They'll just see what the gangs tell them, that they are being oppressed and put down. Not everyone in a gang is hardened or wanting to be there.
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By going hard I meant having consistent services and regular meetings. Not shouting down at them.

Sad that the delusion of being oppressed comes from the oppressor.
 
JS96 said:
By going hard I meant having consistent services and regular meetings. Not shouting down at them.

Sad that the delusion of being oppressed comes from the oppressor.
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Isn't that where youth groups and reach out work come into it? The government is usually shouting down at them, but the youth groups are doing the consistent services and meetings.
 
zimbos05 said:
Some of those young people won't see sense if you just keep going hard at them. They'll just see what the gangs tell them, that they are being oppressed and put down. Not everyone in a gang is hardened or wanting to be there.
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We talking about the NYE game again?
 
JS96 said:
I think you might mean billion? Royal commissions give something to stand on despite the obvious difference between anti semitism and fair criticism of politics.
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Yes half a billion.

What would this achieve?
 
Before the royal commission there should also be a investigation why some people are actively campaigning in Australia for the IDF, and putting our community at risk

Also, wasn’t it close to 40 million given for security? Where has this money gone of all they had is two cops at this event?
 
Release of the cabinet papers yesterday showed that the Howard cabinet were warned about hate speech 30 years ago. Minister responsible was overruled by Howard who wanted the right to be a bigot preserved.He also invaded Iraq in spite of the ASIO advice and that of the relevant ministers. Josh also fought to stop changes to fight hate speech.

Love the way they can change their tune and be taken seriously.
 
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