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I do think the LNP publishing a photograph like that with a senior Australian politician meeting someone draped in an Israeli flag, at a time like this is a bit incendiary....

Just as it would be if a senior Australian politician met with someone draped in a Palestinian flag.

Tbh, I've never been a fan of people draping themselves in flags. Not even at international football matches.

Nothing against the Israeli people nor Palestinians either but flags in the public sphere are cringeworthy unless used in the right context....

Government buildings and infrastructure, Ships, The Olympics medal ceremonies.and so on...
 
So you think Israel should've just sat back and took it when attacked?

It was the single biggest loss of Jewish life since Hitler and the Nazis killed hundreds of thousands of Jews during the Holocaust.

No I don't. Can you not read?
 
What lefties have failed to answer in their unabashed support for Hamas is what the fuck did they expect Israel to do when Hamas attacked the country on October 7, 2023 and took Israeli citizens hostage?

Seems Hamas sympathisers just expected Israel to sit back and take it and do nothing.
We support Palestenians, not Hamas. Israel supported them in the 1980s though.

Israel has every right to defend itself. It did not have every right to indiscriminately kill for more than 2 years. Israel has a right to defend itself much like the Palestinian people have had prior to October 7 since being invaded in 1947, and post October 7 since being victims in a declared genocide.

In an interview with the Israeli Army Radio in August 2019, Ehud Barak, the former Prime Minister of Israel from 1999 to 2001, said that Netanyahu's main strategy is to keep Hamas "alive and kicking" in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority, even at the expense of "abandoning the citizens [of the south].
 
I'll probaly get hammered here but here's my 2 cents....

The Gaza strip isnt a particularly big place. You could easily fit it into the Southern Brisbane - Northern Gold Coast corridor.

What Israel probably should have done is rather than carper bomb civilian areas and civilian targets is they should occupied Gaza with a narrower counterterrorism operation focused specifically on Hamas leadership and military infrastructure, rather than a full-scale invasion aimed at total regime change which has been disastrous in terms of civilian deaths.

A more targeted approach, potentially using special forces and intelligence-led strikes, could have been far more effective at destroying operational capacity of Hamas.

Internationally, Israel enjoyed much sympathy when it was the sole victim. But much of this was dissipated when Israel reacted by killing far more civilians and destroying far more property than the Hamas invaders did in their October 7th attack.


A more restrained approach would have worked not just to “destroy” Hamas in a physical sense, but to isolate it as an international pariah..

When Pakistani backed militants shot up Mumbai in 2008, killing 175 people, India's response was quick but far more restrained in terms of the way civilian,s were treated....

After deliberations in which it weighed the likely outcomes and broader effects of various courses of action, Ondia's then Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s government ultimately opted not to undertake an overt military strike on terrorist camps in Pakistan. Instead, New Delhi responded to the terrorist atrocity in Mumbai through diplomatic and covert channels. In public, the country chose restraint, not revenge. That decision brought India international support, prevented a potentially catastrophic war, minimised civilian casualties, and arguably prevented more terrorism. At least so far, India has not experienced another Pakistani-backed terrorist attack with mass casualties on Indian soil.
 
I think its pretty reasonable to look at the devastation and ask what could be done differently. One thing the media needed to do more of is consult military experts to give specifics of what Israel could do, given it was a densely populated area with underground tunnels and military aparatus spread throughout civilian infrastructure and the only other border state blocking a humanitarian escape route.

I remember Just Security had an article that acknowledged Israel did protect civilian lives through door knocking and giving warnings of strikes to civilians, but then criticized their campaign design as not being optimised to protect civilians (but was vague on details). I asked grok whether there had been any articles by experts in the field on what Israel could do differently

Early in the war John Spencer gave some pretty specific criticism
Later in the war John Spencer seems more complimentary. I'll see if he still has specific critiques elsewhere

Retired general David Deptula gave his detailed descriptions but seems nuanced at most
to be fair I'm not sure if a retired general is the same qualifications as a war scholar. With so few commenting it is impossible to tell whether these voices are fringe, ideologically motivated, or reflect the consensus opinion of the field
 
With so few commenting it is impossible to tell whether these voices are fringe, ideologically motivated, or reflect the consensus opinion of the field

Well maybe if the cunts didn't kill over 240 journalists in Gaza over the past 2 years and let the rest of the world's media in we might have a fucking clue.

 
Well maybe if the cunts didn't kill over 240 journalists in Gaza over the past 2 years and let the rest of the world's media in we might have a fucking clue.

Tragic for the non Hamas affiliated ones but the majority were from Pallywood and Hamas members.
 
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