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Monoethnic Social Club said:
He does come across as a tool but I cant judge the bloke to be honest mate... Not saying what he did (or didn't do) is excusable, my point is only that the military system makes these guys, especially in elite units like SAS, into machines to do the killing for them.. rewards them with medals and parades and then, at the hint of negativity throws them under a bus. There are many many many people up and down the chain of command complicit with the atrocities that happen in war, ANY WAR, and I just think its shit to target one solider.

Im not saying individuals shouldn't have personal accountability but you cant spend 23.5 hours a day screaming "KILL KILL KILL KILL" at a man and then for 1/2 an hour whisper in his ear, "but do it gently"
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I actually kind of agree.

Which is why we shouldn’t have days like ‘Anzac day’ imo

We should be using these days to reflect on politicians who got us into these shit situations they should be the ones on the dock.
 
Sharkman84 said:
One Nation claims victory in Farrer byelection, Liberal vote plummets -

www.9news.com.au

One Nation claims victory in Farrer byelection

One Nation will win the federal seat of Farrer in an enormous byelection blow to the Coalition.
www.9news.com.au www.9news.com.au
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Love to hear how the Libs and Nats will spin this as anything but a huge mistake to preference One Nation before the Independent. Basically that have said feel free to vote for One Nation and now they will have a fight in every rural and regional seat they hold.
 
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Sharkman84 said:
One Nation claims victory in Farrer byelection, Liberal vote plummets -

www.9news.com.au

One Nation claims victory in Farrer byelection

One Nation will win the federal seat of Farrer in an enormous byelection blow to the Coalition.
www.9news.com.au www.9news.com.au
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Labor will love this. Lately their Friendlyjordies-esque shills on Reddit have been all about teaming up with the Greens to get the Coalition out of competition so they can compete with One Nation, ultimately making Australia like America where moderate conservatives have no true voice anymore and because Australia is less conservative ultimately eliminating any meaningful competition. Nevertheless the Coalition need to sort their shit out.
 
I just looked up this David Farley guy. He seems like a complete grifter. Joined the Nationals, then joined Labor, then donated to an independent and now joined One Nation.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Labor will love this. Lately their Friendlyjordies-esque shills on Reddit have been all about teaming up with the Greens to get the Coalition out of competition so they can compete with One Nation, ultimately making Australia like America where moderate conservatives have no true voice anymore and because Australia is less conservative ultimately eliminating any meaningful competition. Nevertheless the Coalition need to sort their shit out.
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Sadly, as has been proven time and time again, we're copying what Britain does but 30 years behind.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Labor will love this. Lately their Friendlyjordies-esque shills on Reddit have been all about teaming up with the Greens to get the Coalition out of competition so they can compete with One Nation, ultimately making Australia like America where moderate conservatives have no true voice anymore and because Australia is less conservative ultimately eliminating any meaningful competition. Nevertheless the Coalition need to sort their shit out.
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TBH the Libs broad church was a broad church until the mid eighties. Then they have became incrementally more conservative. Now as the older more conservative Australians are dying out and living in sea change areas the cities are dominated by a younger less conservative cohort. The Teals have taken traditional blue ribbon liberal seats here and Labor has not suffered in the same way (yet) but will be attacked in the outer metro by One Nation and the Greens in the inner metro.

Each party will have their limits and to me the Nationals will be the ones that have the chance to disappear quickest. The Libs as least have a way back if they choose not to be One Nation lite and go back to being the the party for the 'forgotten people' in the cities. One Nation has already taken that title in the regions. Similarly the Greens and Labor really have little sway in the regions.
 
Sharkman84 said:
Sadly, as has been proven time and time again, we're copying what Britain does but 30 years behind.
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It's similar in terms of One Nation's increasing popularity but in Britain or particularly England it's the Labour Party haemorrhaging their working class base to Reform rather than the Tories.

This isnt happening in Australia in quiet the same way.

The Tories in England are losing its middle class voters to the Lib Dems and yes some of it's working class voting base is going to Reform in places like Essex and Kent, but not anywhere near as much as the now moribund Labour Party which looks dead in the arse!!
 
patjennings said:
TBH the Libs broad church was a broad church until the mid eighties. Then they have became incrementally more conservative. Now as the older more conservative Australians are dying out and living in sea change areas the cities are dominated by a younger less conservative cohort. The Teals have taken traditional blue ribbon liberal seats here and Labor has not suffered in the same way (yet) but will be attacked in the outer metro by One Nation and the Greens in the inner metro.

Each party will have their limits and to me the Nationals will be the ones that have the chance to disappear quickest. The Libs as least have a way back if they choose not to be One Nation lite and go back to being the the party for the 'forgotten people' in the cities. One Nation has already taken that title in the regions. Similarly the Greens and Labor really have little sway in the regions.
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It’s clearly a matter of moderate vs not moderate. Teals aren’t nearly as successful on the state level and both Labor and the Liberals have overlapping states seats with each other’s federal seats (e.g. seats like Epping, Oatley, Ryde and Winston Hills are Liberal seats while seats like Parramatta and Riverstone are key seats for their path back to power, all despite Banks, Bennelong, Greenway and Parramatta being Labor seats that should be key seats but the Liberals haven’t won the last two since the redistributions of the 2010s, Bennelong was lost in 2022 and Banks was lost in 2025), plus the state teals had almost no success. NSW Labor and the NSW Coalition present themselves as likeable parties with likeable leaders and MPs, whereas the federal Labor and Coalition leaders are quite unpopular. I happily voted for James Griffin in Manly (using OPV) at the state election but begrudgingly voted for Zali Steggall (I don’t think I will next time as she’s not really shown to be truly a “teal”). You see similar patterns with urban seats in other states and territories, especially affluent, inner-city and multicultural seats and booths.

As for the regions it should be worth noting that Barnaby Joyce was holding the Nationals back in New England. The overlapping state seats consistently vote between 75% and 80% for the Nationals while New England only ever got around 70% max. The difference was especially felt in Armidale which is a uni city hence why it’s less heavily Nationals-voting as Tamworth despite both being regional cities. It’s a similar pattern to a lesser extent in Albury where Sussan Ley was getting less votes in Farrer than the state MPs in the overlapping seats, especially in Albury itself. My theory is that One Nation’s surge is purely tied to discontent with the major parties even though One Nation are a more right-wing party than any other party with any actual say in our politics.
 
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