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Muz said:
Well it depends. Were both parents atheists or religious? Given the ubiquitousness of religion one would hazard to guess most atheists had religious parents. I have no stats to back that up though but there'd be some truth in it.

Personally my mum is devout, my dad less so. I'm grateful for that because it gave me room to question my beliefs. And they were fully instilled beliefs. I was a full on 7th dan catholic as a kid. Baptism, confession, communion, church every week, prayed at night before bed, the whole shebang. (Hail Mary's scared me because of the 'if I die before I wake' line.)

I never indoctrinated our kids though, just kept asking them what do they think when they asked questions around god and religion. Probing them and letting them work it out themselves is something to see.

It's amazing how smart and perceptive kids can be if you let them be. I know you want to frame atheism as a belief system, it's not.

Atheism is a lack of belief in a god(s), not a set of doctrines, scriptures, or shared practices.

You don't, well nobody here does as well, believe in Thor, Woden, Venus, Gnesaha. You reject all those gods.

As Ricky Gervais said, everyone is an atheist to all the other gods except theirs. I've just gone one god further.
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Is it considered indoctrinating kids to get them immunised, make them go to school and eat their vegetables? Just asking for a friend?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
So you don't understand the difference between a religion and a cult? Really?
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I would if there was one. There's a struck match between them. They're both cults as far as I concerned.

They only difference I can see is a cult has less people following it. Still the same suspension of reality, lack of evidence and critical thinking for both.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Is it considered indoctrinating kids to get them immunised, make them go to school and eat their vegetables? Just asking for a friend?
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Sure if that's what makes you feel better about religion.

I mean those 3 things ARE evidence based.
 
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Monoethnic Social Club said:
Oh 100% she should be locked up forever too..... Can;'t stand the bogan racist. Im all for freedom of speech and agree, if you wanna belevie in nazism or fascims you have the right too, but its a slippery slope calling for violence or preaching fundamentalist ideas... ANY fundamentalist ideas.
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She is far more dangerous and influential than this moron imo

I personally don’t think what the guy said asked for violence.

I think they both have a right to say their stupid shit unfortunately.
 
Muz said:
Sure if that's what makes you feel better about religion.

I mean those 2 things are evidence based.
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What about telling them NOT to hit other children, or to be kind to their siblings, or even to be respectful to their teachers? Indoctrination? Is "Sticks and stones may break your bones but names will never hurt you" a bible passage or a evidence based scientific principle?
 
tsf said:
She is far more dangerous and influential than this moron imo

I personally don’t think what the guy said asked for violence.

I think they both have a right to say their stupid shit unfortunately.
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I didnt actually look into what the dude said to be honest.... If he didn't state that the Jews where the enemy of Australia then fair enough I agree with you, sentence is unjustfied.
 
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Muz said:
I would if there was one. There's a struck match between them. They're both cults as far as I concerned.

They only difference I can see is a cult has less people following it. Still the same suspension of reality, lack of evidence and critical thinking for both.
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Ah I see, so naturopathy and astrology are Sciences.... got ya.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
What about telling them NOT to hit other children, or to be kind to their siblings, or even to be respectful to their teachers? Indoctrination? Is "Sticks and stones may break your bones but names will never hurt you" a bible passage or a evidence based scientific principle?
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I'm not here to convince you. You know it's indoctrination. You want to say these other things are too to somehow justifying a belief you have because of said indoctrination.

So sure, everything you just mentioned is indoctrination. That doesn't mean religion isn't.
 
Muz said:
No. They're not evidence based or scientifically robust.
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They are as far as I am concerned. I love chicks in Yoga pants... 3/4 of world swears by evidence based cupping, feng shu and acupuncture.. its VERY scientific. Not even going to mention how much published evidence occurs daily about the moon being in Jupiter affection Geminis all week...
 
Muz said:
I'm not here to convince you. You know it's indoctrination. You want to say these other things are too to somehow justifying a belief you have because of said indoctrination.

So sure, everything you just mentioned is indoctrination. That doesn't mean religion isn't.
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But that is where your assumptions fall in a heap... You can calmly state your disdain for my critical thinking as much as you want.. You may like to presume that Im retarded and not smart enough to discern that "fairy stories" aren't just indoctrinated propaganda designed to subjugate my mind, but Im sorry my experience with religion had absolutely nothing to do with the horror childhood you describe.

I mean fear and guilt about God? AND looking up to Ricky Gervais?? No wonder man... I get it the brothers did a number on you but for many intellectually superior people (at least superior to both you and I) Jesus means love and comfort.... I cant relate to your opinions whatsoever. If it make you feel superior to hide behind words like "indoctrination"go for it just like a reverse JonSmith.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
They are as far as I am concerned. I love chicks in Yoga pants... 3/4 of world swears by evidence based cupping, feng shu and acupuncture.. its VERY scientific. Not even going to mention how much published evidence occurs daily about the moon being in Jupiter affection Geminis all week...
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Lol. You're clutching at straws. A belief in astrology, acupuncture or cupping doesn't it make it scientifically robust.

I mean maybe there's peer reviewed evidence but I've yet to see it. Feel free to post up the links confirming these have been. I'm keen to have a look.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
But that is where your assumptions fall in a heap... You can calmly state your disdain for my critical thinking as much as you want.. You may like to presume that Im retarded and not smart enough to discern that "fairy stories" aren't just indoctrinated propaganda designed to subjugate my mind, but Im sorry my experience with religion had absolutely nothing to do with the horror childhood you describe.

I mean fear and guilt about God? AND looking up to Ricky Gervais?? No wonder man... I get it the brothers did a number on you but for many intellectually superior people (at least superior to both you and I) Jesus means love and comfort.... I cant relate to your opinions whatsoever. If it make you feel superior to hide behind words like "indoctrination"go for it just like a reverse JonSmith.
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You can scoff at Ricky Gervais but what he said is 100% accurate. You do not believe in the 3000 or so other gods amongst the world's religions. I just don't believe in 3001.

You're an atheist for every one of those other gods whether you like it or not.

By the way I didn't have a horror childhood. I did however have a father that made me think twice about my indoctrination and I thank him for that. RIP big fella.
 
tsf said:
I hate it when I meet a hawt Sheila and she starts talking astrology and I have to pretend I’m interested in it or believe it
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Hahaha bullshit, I bet you were the kind of guy that had 12 different astrology sign pendants in your pocket when you went out and just "happened" to be a water sign too. hahahahahah
 
Muz said:
You can scoff at Ricky Gervais but what he said is 100% accurate. You do not believe in the 3000 or so other gods amongst the world's religions. I just don't believe in 3001.

You're an atheist for every one of those other gods whether you like it or not.

By the way I didn't have a horror childhood. I did however have a father that made me think twice about my indoctrination and I thank him for that. RIP big fella.
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Sorry I didnt mean horror childhood like that, I apologise if that came off as spiteful.. I meant in regards to religion, not trying to be a cunt.

As to Gervais being 100% right.... um what if I told you I DO believe in the existience of other 3000 gods (th bible does too btw)... or at least in the fact that other people believe them... dont be so quick to dismiss faith.. it happens more often than you think in your own "scientifically peer reviewed" every day life.
 
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