Australian Dual Nationals 🇦🇺🏳️

[onedaywinners...]

I notice the Wallabies Australia's rugby team suffers a similar problem when it comes to duel national players and players that play overseas, this rigid hard line approach might work in local sports but can have negative effects in more global sports where players have options to choose other nations.

I just worry this sort of approach could lead to losing to more players in the future as well, the fact that Popa spoke to coaches like Eddie Jones who is from rugby is a bit baffling too.

From what I read and understood the chat with Eddie Jones was simply more about how to manage a large tournament squad with staff and players families etc over a period of weeks. The fact that he was a rugby coach had little to do with it over him simply coaching at multiple world cups.

 

[tsf]

If Athletic Bilbao can field an entirely Basque team I’m sure Croatia can field an entirely Brazilian team.

There's hope!

 

[NicCarBel]

Do you have a link where this is stated? I haven’t been able to find anything so far.

There was a lot of discussion on this in this thread a few pages ago, which included links to FIFA documents. Also a post on page 58 by the poster jrvkfootball who worked with FIFA and was involved when these rules were set up
Go back to pages from the mid-50’s onwards or so to see all of this.

https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/ccab990abf45fcf6/original/ro8mje8vw98yp3rvfbmi-pdf.pdf

 

[patjennings]

I notice the Wallabies Australia's rugby team suffers a similar problem when it comes to duel national players and players that play overseas, this rigid hard line approach might work in local sports but can have negative effects in more global sports where players have options to choose other nations.

I just worry this sort of approach could lead to losing to more players in the future as well, the fact that Popa spoke to coaches like Eddie Jones who is from rugby is a bit baffling too.

I have no problems with him talking to someone from Rugby - but why Eddie Jones?

 

[NicCarBel]

I have no problems with him talking to someone from Rugby - but why Eddie Jones?

Didn't Arnie do something similar?

 

[patjennings]

Didn't Arnie do something similar?

Yes - with Wayne Bennett - a winner - not Eddie (I don't have a clue ) Jones

 

[NicCarBel]

Yes - with Wayne Bennett - a winner - not Eddie (I don't have a clue ) Jones

That's who it was - I was trying to remember.

I guess Eddie has gotten 3 countries to relatively high levels on the Rugby scene (Australia, England - and didn't Japan do reasonably well under him too?)

 

[patjennings]

yeah - maybe Popovic wants to get the inside goss on selling your shirt. Last decent rugby coach was Bob Dwyer

Edit: Eddie was very successful in England with a strong side while the rest of the 6 nations are at a low ebb

More recently

Australia Second Stint: A brief, 10-month tenure in 2023 that saw the Wallabies win only 2 of 9 matches and suffer their first-ever pool-stage exit at a World Cup.

Japan current stint Returned in 2024 to lead the "Brave Blossoms" toward the 2027 World Cup. His record since returning is 5 wins and 8 losses across the 2024 and 2025 seasons.

 

[HonestSpursFan]

yeah - maybe Popovic wants to get the inside goss on selling your shirt. Last decent rugby coach was Bob Dwyer

Edit: Eddie was very successful in England with a strong side while the rest of the 6 nations are at a low ebb

More recently

Australia Second Stint: A brief, 10-month tenure in 2023 that saw the Wallabies win only 2 of 9 matches and suffer their first-ever pool-stage exit at a World Cup.

Japan current stint Returned in 2024 to lead the "Brave Blossoms" toward the 2027 World Cup. His record since returning is 5 wins and 8 losses across the 2024 and 2025 seasons.

That was a particularly bad time for the Wallabies. Like, phenomenally bad. Even though the All Blacks and Springboks are clearly more dominant (as union is the main code of rugby in New Zealand and South Africa; though to be fair we’ve still won the Rugby World Cup before), we always make it out of the pool stage (which is the same thing as the group stage but at the Rugby World Cup). It would kinda be like England not getting out of the group stage at the FIFA World Cup: they may not have a huge dominance but they should always still get out of their group.

On a side note, I would honestly say that these days soccer is way more popular than rugby union in Australia these days. The Super Rugby is dying in Australia (possibly due to the NRL’s dominance and the fact that Kiwi teams always win the Super Rugby) and if we look at how many people watch the Matildas and Socceroos I feel like union is way behind football, even if the A-League often gets similar crowds to the Super Rugby (not always though, Sydney Derbies would get more).

 

[Barca4life]

I have no problems with him talking to someone from Rugby - but why Eddie Jones?

That's what I don't understand either lol

 

[Cunningstunt]

Talking to Jones about how to manage a tournament is fine. He took the remnants of a good side with some Rugby League mercenaries to extra time in the final in 2003. Anyone who has any success in Australian Rugby is doing something right. Even in Sydney nobody cares about it, nobody plays it, it is propped up by old boy private school kids.
Likewise, anyone who has any success with England in anything deserves recognition. I think English sport absorbed the mentality from the decline of the Empire to be perennial losers.

 

[Kitwally]

It’s been clearly stated that he was talking with Jones about managing players and WAGS etc over a six week tournament. Popa has clearly shown with the losses of Triantis, Segecic, and others that his people skills/man management may not be the best, so any advice he can get from other coaches - regardless of the code - about management over a several week long tournament might help.

 

[patjennings]

It’s been clearly stated that he was talking with Jones about managing players and WAGS etc over a six week tournament. Popa has clearly shown with the losses of Triantis, Segecic, and others that his people skills/man management may not be the best, so any advice he can get from other coaches - regardless of the code - about management over a several week long tournament might help.

And yet he relies deputises Okon to do this on his behalf - someone that is worse than he is..

 

[hogie]

https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/ccab990abf45fcf6/original/ro8mje8vw98yp3rvfbmi-pdf.pdf

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Does U21 football count as “official” or “unofficial”? The line "in any kind of football" does seem to suggest this. I’m trying to understand whether Segecic’s appearance for Croatia’s U21s would tie him to Croatia, and likewise whether Pavlešić is already tied based on his previous U21 appearances.

 

[rebelliousfeminist974]

Does U21 football count as “official” or “unofficial”? The line "in any kind of football" does seem to suggest this. I’m trying to understand whether Segecic’s appearance for Croatia’s U21s would tie him to Croatia, and likewise whether Pavlešić is already tied based on his previous U21 appearances.

If Adrian Segecic appeared for Croatia's under-21 side in a major tournament then he would be tied because it says 'at any level', and the line 'in any kind of football' refers to normal football, futsal or beach football as opposed to age grade or senior football.

 

[Dan_The_Red]

Does U21 football count as “official” or “unofficial”? The line "in any kind of football" does seem to suggest this. I’m trying to understand whether Segecic’s appearance for Croatia’s U21s would tie him to Croatia, and likewise whether Pavlešić is already tied based on his previous U21 appearances.

I read the rules that any appearance at any level for any game type results in cap tied once the 'one time switch' mechanic has been used.
Obviously i could be wrong, but the wording emphasizes that.

 

[onedaywinners...]

I mean at the very least Eddie Jones and Popovic could have shared their bridesmaid stories...they both are highly successful at losing finals.

 

[Quicky]

To save on any future issues anyone whose last name ends in ‘ic’ should not be able to milk any of the resources of this wonderful country from childhood.

Sack Popovic.

 

[Quicky]

In seriousness, identity is nuanced. I don't begrudge anyone who feels connected to Australia as well as the country of their heritage. You can love both and that means someone is going to lose out when decisions are made. We need to compete better for eligible players.

As a federation we have made a terrible mistake leaving this responsibility with the coach alone. Popovic has the sensitivity of a bull in a china shop and completely messed up Triantis's and Segecic inclusion in recent squads.

We need to be aggressive at monitoring, supporting, pitching, including and capping dual nationals. Both players had better credentials than many picked ahead of them so we were playing with fire there.

This should be a big kick in the FAs ball sack but I feel like they haven't learned the lesson. The football media left in Australia are tepid arse kissers or generic sport journo types mostly so there's no accountability.

 

[NicCarBel]

Does U21 football count as “official” or “unofficial”? The line "in any kind of football" does seem to suggest this. I’m trying to understand whether Segecic’s appearance for Croatia’s U21s would tie him to Croatia, and likewise whether Pavlešić is already tied based on his previous U21 appearances.

Yes, it’s essentially as Reb and Dan both say below:

I read the rules that any appearance at any level for any game type results in cap tied once the 'one time switch' mechanic has been used.
Obviously i could be wrong, but the wording emphasizes that.

If Adrian Segecic appeared for Croatia's under-21 side in a major tournament then he would be tied because it says 'at any level', and the line 'in any kind of football' refers to normal football, futsal or beach football as opposed to age grade or senior football.

Just remember that clause is specifically for players who have made an official switch (eg, played football in an official competition at any level in any form of football, and have completed a one-time change of association), and not those who have only played in friendlies.