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Just read an article in Aus’s tiny football media, where legendary keeper, Gianlugi Buffon, persuaded Circati to play for Aus!

Big thanks to him!
I think Google translate dropped the bag on this one.. its should have read that Buffon told him he probably WON'T be able to play for Italy... we read what we wanna believe sometimes.
 
Yet it was Triantis that disappeared to Greece when he didn't get on the bench in his first squad selection. I think you are directing your ire the wrong way. The only person responsible for Triantis' decision is Triantis.
My ire is not based on one incident but on a long term view formed since Popa's managerial career started.

Look at Popa's history of man management first. We have already lost generational talents because of poor man management with Ned Zelic. I don't want to see the same happen under Popa. Yes Triantis made his own decision but there is already a worrying trend in Popa's total management career.

To me, I believe the players we have coming through at the moment will not be ready to perform at their peak at the World Cup this time but have potential (with the exception of the GKs ). There peak will probably be at the 2030 World Cup.

There was trouble in Perth with Popovic. Sage was quoted as saying the players hated him. This was caused by him telling players one thing and then preferring his sons to them. At WSW he had some quite large turnover years in some years. He plays his favourites. There was even talk of player clashes back in the day at Crystal Palace when he was an assistant. His stints in Greece were not without their troubles. All of these these point to a manager that burns through players at a decent rate (often for no apparent reason). That may be fine as a club manager as there are always more players. However, this is not the case as a national manager where there is a limited pool.

That this has been raised already in his brief stint as NT manager, when moved with his previous tenures seems to be that this trend is a continuation of a Popovic trait. There will be acolytes that will thrive under him, but how many will he burn and how many can we afford for him to burn. I hope this is not a problem going forward - but the odds are given his record that it will be and it has a huge potential to undermine what us in reality a very small group of players.

I believed he was the wrong man for the job. I still believe he is the wrong man for the job. A club manager position is much different from a national team manager. I may be proven wrong and he turns out to be the the best Socceroos manager we ever had. Or he may be thought of as the next Holger Osieck. At this stage his record looks ok but the trend continues. To me I believe it is incumbent for Trevor Morgan (if he is still the Technical Director as that is unclear) to ensure that Popovic's managerial traits are honed to become the best possible manager for the national team.
 
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My ire is not based on one incident but on a long term view formed since Popa's managerial career started.

Look at Popa's history of man management first. We have already lost generational talents because of poor man management with Ned Zelic. I don't want to see the same happen under Popa. Yes Triantis made his own decision but there is already a worrying trend in Popa's total management career.

To me, I believe the players we have coming through at the moment will not be ready to perform at their peak at the World Cup this time but have potential (with the exception of the GKs ). There peak will probably be at the 2030 World Cup.

There was trouble in Perth with Popovic. Sage was quoted as saying the players hated him. This was caused by him telling players one thing and then preferring his sons to them. At WSW he had some quite large turnover years in some years. He plays his favourites. There was even talk of player clashes back in the day at Crystal Palace when he was an assistant. His stints in Greece were not without their troubles. All of these these point to a manager that burns through players at a decent rate (often for no apparent reason). That may be fine as a club manager as there are always more players. However, this is not the case as a national manager where there is a limited pool.

That this has been raised already in his brief stint as NT manager, when moved with his previous tenures seems to be that this trend is a continuation of a Popovic trait. There will be acolytes that will thrive under him, but how many will he burn and how many can we afford for him to burn. I hope this is not a problem going forward - but the odds are given his record that it will be and it has a huge potential to undermine what us in reality a very small group of players.

I believed he was the wrong man for the job. I still believe he is the wrong man for the job. A club manager position is much different from a national team manager. I may be proven wrong and he turns out to be the the best Socceroos manager we ever had. Or he may be thought of as the next Holger Osieck. At this stage his record looks ok but the trend continues. To me I believe it is incumbent for Trevor Morgan (if he is still the Technical Director as that is unclear) to ensure that Popovic's managerial traits are honed to become the best possible manager for the national team.
well said.
 
International window so interesting to see who gets call ups at youth level.

Gianluca Okon played for the Italy U17's, Antonio Arena for the Italy U18's

Seen some squads via Insta. Cillian Tollett (Ireland U18), Liam Chipperfield (Swiss U21) and Will Millwood (Serbia U17)
 
I did include the word now. A twenty year old should be aware that if he is any good he will long outlast a national team coach he doesn't like (and probably one or two others).

You mean the next 7 years like Arnolds tenure. So he should have waited for the 2034 for his World Cup shot. He'll be 29-30 by that stage. Not everyone has that long a career. He may well suffer injuries and no longer be playing. He made his decision. Probably will never play at a World Cup but was unlikely to under Popovic anyway as being the form Australian HM was not good enough. Now he can concentrate on his club career.
 
You mean the next 7 years like Arnolds tenure. So he should have waited for the 2034 for his World Cup shot. He'll be 29-30 by that stage. Not everyone has that long a career. He may well suffer injuries and no longer be playing. He made his decision. Probably will never play at a World Cup but was unlikely to under Popovic anyway as being the form Australian HM was not good enough. Now he can concentrate on his club career.
Arnold's was a tick over 6 years and he is our longest serving coach this millennium. In the six world cups we have qualified for in that time we will have had 6 different coaches. A good player usually long outlasts a national team coach. Tim Cahill, despite not being able to play in the early part of his career, had 5 different fulltime coaches and 2 interim coaches during his international career.

Do you really believe that Triantis would never have made a side under Popovic? He picked him in squads twice before he decided his heart lay elsewhere..
 
Arnold's was a tick over 6 years and he is our longest serving coach this millennium. In the six world cups we have qualified for in that time we will have had 6 different coaches. A good player usually long outlasts a national team coach. Tim Cahill, despite not being able to play in the early part of his career, had 5 different fulltime coaches and 2 interim coaches during his international career.

Do you really believe that Triantis would never have made a side under Popovic? He picked him in squads twice before he decided his heart lay elsewhere..

Triantis's heart lay with Australia - it always did. Whatever happened between Popovic and Triantis will always be spun by the Football Australia media but suffice to say my predisposition is to believe Nectar and his family.

Nectar was informed in camp that he would get game time in Australia for his debut. Whether or not this was a throwaway line by Popovic, or whether he even remembers saying it is a moot point. The Triantis family (which is large in Australia let alone OS) literally spent tens of thousands of dollars getting to the game in March from around the Australia and around the world for his debut and then had to spend again to go to China. I suspect his family were more pissed off than him.

The point is, (and this is not just necessarily referring to Triantis) as has been the case reported with Popovic at Perth and elsewhere, he will give an undertaking, maybe flippantly, and then not follow through. These are young footballers that are literally hanging on every word from one of the 'golden generation'. When they learn that one of their heroes has feet of clay it can be devastating.

Do I believe he would never have been picked by Popovic - probably yes. For him to make such a sudden move which goes against everything the Triantis family in Australia is about it must have been more than just not getting game time. Nectar spoke in camp after the first game and was still quite buoyant and saying he realises he needs to be patient - which points to the fact that he realises you don't just walk into the team. What happened after that when he talks about a very bad experience in camp comes after the first game. I suspect, given his comments after the first game that it had nothing whatsoever to do with not getting game time.

That said, I still believe he should have been given starting game time over those chosen.
 
Triantis's heart lay with Australia - it always did. Whatever happened between Popovic and Triantis will always be spun by the Football Australia media but suffice to say my predisposition is to believe Nectar and his family.

Nectar was informed in camp that he would get game time in Australia for his debut. Whether or not this was a throwaway line by Popovic, or whether he even remembers saying it is a moot point. The Triantis family (which is large in Australia let alone OS) literally spent tens of thousands of dollars getting to the game in March from around the Australia and around the world for his debut and then had to spend again to go to China. I suspect his family were more pissed off than him.

The point is, (and this is not just necessarily referring to Triantis) as has been the case reported with Popovic at Perth and elsewhere, he will give an undertaking, maybe flippantly, and then not follow through. These are young footballers that are literally hanging on every word from one of the 'golden generation'. When they learn that one of their heroes has feet of clay it can be devastating.

Do I believe he would never have been picked by Popovic - probably yes. For him to make such a sudden move which goes against everything the Triantis family in Australia is about it must have been more than just not getting game time. Nectar spoke in camp after the first game and was still quite buoyant and saying he realises he needs to be patient - which points to the fact that he realises you don't just walk into the team. What happened after that when he talks about a very bad experience in camp comes after the first game. I suspect, given his comments after the first game that it had nothing whatsoever to do with not getting game time.

That said, I still believe he should have been given starting game time over those chosen.
You and I will have to disagree here. I'm think I've been fairly generous to Triantis with my comments. If he actually did realise he needed to be patient and his heart did lie with Australia he wouldn't have rejected his next call up (which was the very next opportunity to be in a squad) and then request a transfer of national allegiance to another country.
 
Triantis's heart lay with Australia - it always did. Whatever happened between Popovic and Triantis will always be spun by the Football Australia media but suffice to say my predisposition is to believe Nectar and his family.

Nectar was informed in camp that he would get game time in Australia for his debut. Whether or not this was a throwaway line by Popovic, or whether he even remembers saying it is a moot point. The Triantis family (which is large in Australia let alone OS) literally spent tens of thousands of dollars getting to the game in March from around the Australia and around the world for his debut and then had to spend again to go to China. I suspect his family were more pissed off than him.

The point is, (and this is not just necessarily referring to Triantis) as has been the case reported with Popovic at Perth and elsewhere, he will give an undertaking, maybe flippantly, and then not follow through. These are young footballers that are literally hanging on every word from one of the 'golden generation'. When they learn that one of their heroes has feet of clay it can be devastating.

Do I believe he would never have been picked by Popovic - probably yes. For him to make such a sudden move which goes against everything the Triantis family in Australia is about it must have been more than just not getting game time. Nectar spoke in camp after the first game and was still quite buoyant and saying he realises he needs to be patient - which points to the fact that he realises you don't just walk into the team. What happened after that when he talks about a very bad experience in camp comes after the first game. I suspect, given his comments after the first game that it had nothing whatsoever to do with not getting game time.

That said, I still believe he should have been given starting game time over those chosen.
Did I miss that he was told he would debut? Where do we know this from?
 
Pure speculation here. But aside from the ins and outs of the Triantis situation, I am wondering if Poppa’s approach to dual internationals is obviously part of his coaching approach but also reflects a wider change of strategy from Football Australia. Especially after Arnold’s thwarted efforts with Volpato and particularly the Robertson situation.

There have been rumours re frustrations from the already committed Socceroos from some of their antics. Imagine playing the whole campaign and finding out Volpato was offered a World Cup spot as a carrot. I wonder if this was behind Poppa’s comment re losing the players respect if he chased players who were not sure they if wanted the shirt.

For some time FA was flying people like Craig Moore around to try and convince players to play for Oz. Maybe they are over it. With the multicultural make up of Oz and increasingly players having not just two but multiple countries they could play for this issue is only going to grow in size and complexity. Not sure what is the right approach just wondering if this is what is happening in the background.
 
Pure speculation here. But aside from the ins and outs of the Triantis situation, I am wondering if Poppa’s approach to dual internationals is obviously part of his coaching approach but also reflects a wider change of strategy from Football Australia. Especially after Arnold’s thwarted efforts with Volpato and particularly the Robertson situation.

There have been rumours re frustrations from the already committed Socceroos from some of their antics. Imagine playing the whole campaign and finding out Volpato was offered a World Cup spot as a carrot. I wonder if this was behind Poppa’s comment re losing the players respect if he chased players who were not sure they if wanted the shirt.

For some time FA was flying people like Craig Moore around to try and convince players to play for Oz. Maybe they are over it. With the multicultural make up of Oz and increasingly players having not just two but multiple countries they could play for this issue is only going to grow in size and complexity. Not sure what is the right approach just wondering if this is what is happening in the background.
Interesting thoughts
 
Pure speculation here. But aside from the ins and outs of the Triantis situation, I am wondering if Poppa’s approach to dual internationals is obviously part of his coaching approach but also reflects a wider change of strategy from Football Australia. Especially after Arnold’s thwarted efforts with Volpato and particularly the Robertson situation.

There have been rumours re frustrations from the already committed Socceroos from some of their antics. Imagine playing the whole campaign and finding out Volpato was offered a World Cup spot as a carrot. I wonder if this was behind Poppa’s comment re losing the players respect if he chased players who were not sure they if wanted the shirt.

For some time FA was flying people like Craig Moore around to try and convince players to play for Oz. Maybe they are over it. With the multicultural make up of Oz and increasingly players having not just two but multiple countries they could play for this issue is only going to grow in size and complexity. Not sure what is the right approach just wondering if this is what is happening in the background.
Good points. Whichever attacker made the squad because Volpato said no would be annoyed and I think blokes like Ryan and Irvine would share that sentiment.
 
Added to the OP.
Samuel (2008) on this watch list made his first Senior international debut for the Seychelles last week; playing against Gabon as a forward player in the FIFA world cup qualifiers. Very promising talent there
 

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Samuel (2008) on this watch list made his first Senior international debut for the Seychelles last week; playing against Gabon as a forward player in the FIFA world cup qualifiers. Very promising talent there
2 more and he is gone?
 
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