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♔ ♕ ♚ ♛ Australia U17/U20/U23 National Team Tournaments & Discussion Thread ♔ ♕ ♚ ♛

Amazingly it looks like only 2 teams qualify from asia?

In any case I was curious about our youth record in asia and how often we make the final 4. The credentials of the coach make a massive difference

CoachTournaments playedtop 4/qualified
T Vidmar41
Graham Arnold22
Brad Maloey20
Aurelio vidmar30
Ante Milicic20
Trevor Morgan43
Ufuk Talay10
Paul Okon21
Jan Versleijen33
Alistair edwards10
Martyn Crook10
Ange P holds the same view as you, Grazor.

In his book Ange thinks Aus u23s and u20s need really experienced coaches, not a training ground to develop coaches early in their careers.

However, having said this, I think the u23 team improved immeasurably over the 4 games.

* Thailand - was pretty disappointing with 11 v10 for most of the game. I didn't know what the experienced refs on here, Paul01, Muz and NCB think? I thought the Thai sending off might be a fraction soft at the 7min mark.

* China - can't quite remember the fine details of the game, but I thought China got a goal against the run of play. Our finishing was awful from the chances created. There was also often a disconnect between the midfield and attacking line. Forwards didn't angle their forward runs enough, to prevent offsides. Also, they weren't reading/anticpating the through balls, potentially killer passes, from Jordi V.

* Iraq - as usual another poor/slow start. When I revisited the game and watched the replay from 60 mins on when Iraq scored, from then on Aus started to get on top, but the game was slowed down a lot from Iraq injured players. I think they were genuine injuries, after at first thinking they were faking to time waste. Lots of stop start, which meant an extra 9 mins of play, when Aus finally scored 2 quality goals.

* South K - as usual the normal slow start, but the defence had tightened up a lot as a unit. The defensive line and the midfield line had better distancing between them, and within them, in BPO and Defensive Transitions.
Simmons was starting to become comfortable playing as LB. Before he I've always seen him play at RB. He won a lot of 1v1s and even dribbled around players, with well-timed cuts and shoulder feints.
Rawlins was also really rugged ball winner at RB. The CB was still struggling, whose name begins with M, but he did achieve 1 sublime action of ball mastery. Has this guy been playing a lot of football? It was a problem position. I thought Rawlins would have been better there, with a generally disappointing Bovalina at RB.

Also, Valadon's passing from range was being better anticipated by the more attacking players. Off side was still a problem despite the brilliant Drew and Jovanovic goal. Apart from Hall's save in 90 from a SK counterattack as Aus committed payers forward, that was his only save for the game - I think? The SK keeper had to make a lot more saves than Hall over the duration of the game.

IMO the major fault of Tony V was playing a flat, or bowl shaped 4-4-2 in possession. This is a crossing formation, not a passing formation. Aus struggled not having a designated number 10 or attacking midfielder.

Instead Vidmar often had 1 of the 2 strikers dropping back into midfield, or/and, Jordi V sitting and generally Alagich going forwards, Agosti doing it in the SK game, as the build up progressed in the attacking half.

A designated Attacking Mid in a 4-3-3 defensive midfield triangle, or 4-2-3-1, or even a 4-4-2 midfield diamond avoids the often too big a space between the Aus midfield line and the attacking line.

Often neither central striker was involved in the build up play. I think before in earlier qualifiers, Valadon was partnered by Rhys Bozinovski, as DMs/deep lying playmakers and they bossed the central midfield. Alagich, played in front of them in a defensive midfield triangle, as the designated 10 or AM, in Ball Possession. It worked better, but acknowledge they were inferior teams.
 
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Given the age most national team players are these days, U23 football is becoming redundant. Big nation U20 and U21 all play top 5 football regularly. U20 actually has a world cup.

The Olympic tournament has become something of a novelty and it's good to represent your nation. It's only taken seriously once the medals start to become visible.
Fully agree, U23 internationals outside Olympics are pretty much meaningless. And Olympic football is becoming meaningless too, if only 12 teams qualify.
 
One depressing thing that should be mentioned is south korea might be even more hampered with unavailability than our team. As far as i can tell, few of the team they selected for the tournament have made a professional debut!
This is depressing reading.

I thought the last 60 mins against South K was good, but had no idea most of their players weren't playing at pro level. It puts the game into perspective.
 
Test #1, question 2 is rubbish. Wales and Ireland aren't part of the Union Flag. I've chucked it in right there haha
The saltire of St Patrick, patron saint of Ireland is there but nothing to do with the Republic of Ireland.
 
The saltire of St Patrick, patron saint of Ireland is there but nothing to do with the Republic of Ireland.

Exactly.

"The Saint Patrick's Saltire represents Northern Ireland indirectly as Ireland in the Union Flag"

Per that statement, I've always thought it represents Northern Ireland in their Union, not Ireland. Why would the Union want to represent all of Ireland?
 
Exactly.

"The Saint Patrick's Saltire represents Northern Ireland indirectly as Ireland in the Union Flag"

Per that statement, I've always thought it represents Northern Ireland in their Union, not Ireland. Why would the Union want to represent all of Ireland?
The present design was established by an order in council following the Act of Union 1800, which joined the Kingdom of Great Britain and the Kingdom of Ireland to create the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. It was unchanged following the secession of the Irish Free State in 1922.
 
🔥 BREAKING

NEW FORMAT FOR AFC U17 ASIAN CUP™ QUALIFIERS FROM 2028
The AFC has approved a major update to the AFC U17 Asian Cup™ Qualifiers, starting from the 2028 edition (Qualifiers in 2027).
🔸️ New pathway to the Finals

AFC Regional Associations (RAs) will now organise their own qualifying competitions to determine who reaches the Finals.
🔸️ 16 SLOTS – SPLIT EQUALLY BY REGION

Based on historical performances:
🔹 ASEAN – 4 slots
🔹 East – 4 slots
🔹 Central – 3 slots
🔹 South – 1 slot
🔹 West – 4 slots

🏟️ The host nation will qualify automatically within its Zone’s allocated slots. No other automatic berths.

📅 Qualifying windows aligned with the calendar
• Jan–Feb → Finals in the same year
• Jul–Oct → Finals in the following year

A clearer, fairer, and more competitive road to Asia’s premier U17 stage.
 
 
🔥 BREAKING

NEW FORMAT FOR AFC U17 ASIAN CUP™ QUALIFIERS FROM 2028
The AFC has approved a major update to the AFC U17 Asian Cup™ Qualifiers, starting from the 2028 edition (Qualifiers in 2027).
🔸️ New pathway to the Finals

AFC Regional Associations (RAs) will now organise their own qualifying competitions to determine who reaches the Finals.
🔸️ 16 SLOTS – SPLIT EQUALLY BY REGION

Based on historical performances:
🔹 ASEAN – 4 slots
🔹 East – 4 slots
🔹 Central – 3 slots
🔹 South – 1 slot
🔹 West – 4 slots

🏟️ The host nation will qualify automatically within its Zone’s allocated slots. No other automatic berths.

📅 Qualifying windows aligned with the calendar
• Jan–Feb → Finals in the same year
• Jul–Oct → Finals in the following year

A clearer, fairer, and more competitive road to Asia’s premier U17 stage.
I'm pretty confused by this to be honest

will this make it harder or easier to make the u17 world cup
 
Japan China U23 final.
China haven’t conceded all tournament and Japan put 4 past them in the final.

Japan have strolled this tournament with an u21 team who will all be back and eligible for the next tournament in two years time.

I think this has to be the best result for both Chin and Vietnam in recent memory at any level of men’s football. I’d prefer this to be a sign of things to come compared to west Asian teams.
 
✨NEW FORMAT FOR AFC U20 ASIAN CUP™ QUALIFIERS FROM 2027 ⚽

Following a comprehensive review, the AFC has approved a new competition format for the AFC U20 Asian Cup™ Qualifiers, aimed at delivering more meaningful matches and ensuring teams compete against opponents of similar technical level.

🔄 Two-phase system introduced (from 2027):
🟡Qualification Phase
• 32 teams
• 8 groups of 4
• Group winners + 7 best runners-up qualify for the Finals
• Bottom teams relegated to the Development Phase

🟢Development Phase
• Up to 14 teams in 3 groups
• Top teams earn promotion to the Qualification Phase
• Focus on development and gaining tournament experience

📌 Key points:
• Current seeding will be used as the baseline for the first edition
• Future seedings decided by promotion & relegation results
• Match format and hosting conditions remain unchanged
• Finals host continues to qualify automatically
 
AFC Under 20 Asian Cup last three editions,
Afghanistan – did not enter 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Australia – 6th 2018, 5th 2023, 1st 2025
Bahrain – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Bangladesh – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Bhutan – did not enter 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Brunei – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Cambodia – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
China – 10th 2018, 6th 2023, 7th 2025
Chinese Taipei – 16th 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Guam – did not enter 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Hong Kong – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Indonesia – 5th 2018, 10th 2023, 12th 2025
India – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Iran – DNQ 2018, 7th 2023, 5th 2025
Iraq – 14th 2018, 2nd 2023, 8th 2025
Japan – 3rd 2018, 4th 2023, 3rd 2025
Jordan – 10th 2018, 8th 2023, 9th 2025
Kuwait – suspended 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Kyrgyzstan – DNQ 2018, 14th 2023, 16th 2025
Laos – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Lebanon – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Macau – DNQ 2018, did not enter 2023, DNQ 2025
Malaysia – 13th 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Maldives – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Mongolia – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Myanmar – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Nepal – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
North Korea – 12th 2018, did not enter 2023, 12th 2025
Northern Marina Islands – 2018 did not enter, 2023 DNQ, DNQ 2025
Oman – DNQ 2018, 15th 2023, DNQ 2025
Palestine – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Pakistan – did not enter 2018, suspended 2023, did not enter 2025
Philippines – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Qatar – 4th 2018, 16th 2023, 10th 2025
Saudi Arabia – 1st 2018, 12th 2023, 2nd 2025
Singapore – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
South Korea – 2nd 2018, 3rd 2023, 4th 2025
Sri Lanka – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Syria – DNQ 2018, 13th 2023, 11th 2025
Tajikistan – 7th 2018, 11th 2023, DNQ 2025
Timor Leste – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Thailand – 8th 2018, DNQ 2023, 14th 2025
Turkmenistan – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
United Arab Emirates – 9th 2018, DNQ 2023, DNQ 2025
Uzbekistan – DNQ 2018, 1st 2023, 6th 2025
Vietnam – 16th 2018, 9th 2023, DNQ 2025
Yemen – DNQ 2018, DNQ 2023, 15th 2025
 
AFC Under 23 Asian Cup last three editions,
Afghanistan – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
Australia – 4th 2022, 12th 2024, 7th 2026
Bahrain – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
Bangladesh – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
Bhutan – did enter 2022, did enter 2024,
Brunei – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
China – DNQ 2022, 9th 2024, 2nd 2026
Chinese Taipei – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
Guam – did enter 2022, DNQ 2024,
Hong Kong – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
Indonesia – DNQ 2022, 4th 2024, DNQ 2026
India – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
Iran – 12th 2022, DNQ 2024, 14th 2026
Iraq – 6th 2022, 3rd 2024, 12th 2026
Japan – 3rd 2022, 1st 2024, 1st 2026
Jordan – 10th 2022, 14th 2024, 6th 2026
Kuwait – 14th 2022, 11th 2024, DNQ 2026
Kyrgyzstan – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, 15th 2026
Laos – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
Lebanon – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, 11th 2026
Macau – did enter 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
Malaysia – 15th 2022, 16th 2024, DNQ 2026
Maldives – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, did not enter 2026
Mongolia – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
Myanmar – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
Nepal – DNQ 2022, did enter 2024, DNQ 2026
North Korea – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, did not enter 2026,
Northern Marina Islands – did not enter 2022, did not enter 2024, did enter 2026
Oman – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
Palestine – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
Pakistan – did not enter 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
Philippines – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
Qatar – 12th 2022, 7th 2024, 16th 2026
Saudi Arabia – 1st 2022, 8th 2024, 10th 2026
Singapore – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
South Korea – 5th 2022, 5th 2024, 4th 2026
Sri Lanka – DNQ 2022, did not enter 2024, DNQ 2026
Syria – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, 9th 2026
Tajikistan – 16th 2022, 10th 2024, DNQ 2026
Timor Leste – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
Thailand – 9th 2022, 13th 2024, 13th 2026
Turkmenistan – 8th 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
United Arab Emirates – 11th 2022, 15th 2024, 8th 2026
Uzbekistan – 2nd 2022, 2nd 2024, 5th 2026
Vietnam – 7th 2022, 6th 2024, 3rd 2026
Yemen – DNQ 2022, DNQ 2024, DNQ 2026
 
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