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They are professionals and the clubs pay their wages so why would a coach not play them.
Because there’s a World Cup coming up, and these players are crucial to their national team and their clubs have a singular game left, why not give younger players a chance when there’s nothing left to play for? It's normal for teams to bench their best players in the final games of the seasons once things have concluded.

And before people ask why someone like Robin van Persie coaching Feyenoord would care about Australia’s World Cup preparation, well, he literally allowed two Japanese players to leave the squad early a few days ago so they could avoid injury and properly prepare for the tournament. Obviously that request came from Japan, but it’s also something Football Australia should be closely managing, especially with our key players.

We’re not like some bigger nations where if one top player goes down, there are two equally good replacements ready to step in. If someone like Bos got injured, our chances of a successful World Cup campaign would drop significantly.

And it’s not like the last decade, where most of the Socceroos squad was on a relatively similar level. This time, we genuinely have a core group of good players who should be managed differently. That means load-managing them during camps and friendlies, more rest days, carefully managed minutes, and a more strategic approach overall. Our World Cup success probably depends on six or seven players performing at their best.
 
End of season dead rubbers are a great chance to play some reserves and youth players. It's only smart that those with the world cup coming up aren't risked in such games.
Because there’s a World Cup coming up, and these players are crucial to their national team and their clubs have a singular game left, why not give younger players a chance when there’s nothing left to play for? It's normal for teams to bench their best players in the final games of the seasons once things have concluded.

And before people ask why someone like Robin van Persie coaching Feyenoord would care about Australia’s World Cup preparation, well, he literally allowed two Japanese players to leave the squad early a few days ago so they could avoid injury and properly prepare for the tournament. Obviously that request came from Japan, but it’s also something Football Australia should be closely managing, especially with our key players.

We’re not like some bigger nations where if one top player goes down, there are two equally good replacements ready to step in. If someone like Bos got injured, our chances of a successful World Cup campaign would drop significantly.

And it’s not like the last decade, where most of the Socceroos squad was on a relatively similar level. This time, we genuinely have a core group of good players who should be managed differently. That means load-managing them during camps and friendlies, more rest days, carefully managed minutes, and a more strategic approach overall. Our World Cup success probably depends on six or seven players performing at their best.
You both realise that the manager of an overseas club, any overseas club, has absolutely no care in the world for the success or failure of another nations football team, not should they... They are employed to look after "their" players and get their club success on the pitch... Van Persie releasing players obviously fits the narrative of his season otherwise it would not have been accommodated I think.
 
You both realise that the manager of an overseas club, any overseas club, has absolutely no care in the world for the success or failure of another nations football team, not should they... They are employed to look after "their" players and get their club success on the pitch... Van Persie releasing players obviously fits the narrative of his season otherwise it would not have been accommodated I think.
Sure and looking after their players may include resting them at parts of the season to avoid injury.

There are examples of good man management when players are given time off when the season is winding down and others where managers take no consideration. Most squads have a lot of hungry reserves who'll gladly get some minutes at the end of the season.
 
You both realise that the manager of an overseas club, any overseas club, has absolutely no care in the world for the success or failure of another nations football team, not should they... They are employed to look after "their" players and get their club success on the pitch... Van Persie releasing players obviously fits the narrative of his season otherwise it would not have been accommodated I think.
It’s more so for the fitness of the players rather than the performances of their national teams. I don’t give a fuck if Arsenal get robbed but that doesn’t mean I think that refs should be banned from Arsenal games.
 
You both realise that the manager of an overseas club, any overseas club, has absolutely no care in the world for the success or failure of another nations football team, not should they... They are employed to look after "their" players and get their club success on the pitch... Van Persie releasing players obviously fits the narrative of his season otherwise it would not have been accommodated I think.
I don’t really agree with that. Coaches obviously prioritise their club first, but that doesn’t mean they’re completely indifferent to international football or their players’ World Cup prospects.

Nobody is saying Van Persie is sitting there emotionally invested in Japan or Australia winning the World Cup but a strong World Cup can massively benefit a club, increasing a player’s value, reputation, confidence, and marketability. Clubs also want to maintain good relationships with national federations and players themselves. If a player feels their club is supporting them ahead of the biggest tournament in football, that matters.

And in this case, the point isn’t that Robin van Persie personally cares about Australia succeeding. It’s that smart clubs and coaches understand risk management. If a key player gets injured in a meaningless game, camp or friendly right before a World Cup, nobody benefits, not the national team, not the player, and not the club either.

That’s why bigger football nations and top clubs already manage these situations carefully. The Socceroos should be doing the same with our genuinely good players instead of treating everyone identically.

This is just arguing semantics, in the end like you said, Japan got two of their players released and we should've had Bos released too. I watched the game as well and Bos definitely seem more hesitant than usual to commit to anything too risky or be physical which again doesn't help the club. With Aus players, when we aren't playing Champions League football or fighting for titles, I guarantee you all they care about is being fit for the World Cup. Toure backed this up in his recent interview stating how his whole rehab seriousness was about making it to the World Cup healthy despite having to play another 6 or so club games beforehand.
 
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I don’t really agree with that. Coaches obviously prioritise their club first, but that doesn’t mean they’re completely indifferent to international football or their players’ World Cup prospects.

Nobody is saying Van Persie is sitting there emotionally invested in Japan or Australia winning the World Cup but a strong World Cup can massively benefit a club, increasing a player’s value, reputation, confidence, and marketability. Clubs also want to maintain good relationships with national federations and players themselves. If a player feels their club is supporting them ahead of the biggest tournament in football, that matters.

And in this case, the point isn’t that Robin van Persie personally cares about Australia succeeding. It’s that smart clubs and coaches understand risk management. If a key player gets injured in a meaningless camp or friendly right before a World Cup, nobody benefits, not the national team, not the player, and not the club either.

That’s why bigger football nations and top clubs already manage these situations carefully. The Socceroos should be doing the same with our genuinely good players instead of treating everyone identically.

This is just arguing semantics, in the end like you said, Japan got two of their players released and we should've had Bos released too. I watched the game as well and Bos definitely seem more hesitant than usual to commit to anything too risky or be physical which again doesn't help the club. With Aus players, when we aren't playing Champions League football or fighting for titles, I guarantee you all they care about is being fit for the World Cup. Toure backed this up in his recent interview stating how his whole rehab seriousness was about making it to the World Cup healthy despite having to play another 6 or so club games beforehand.
Sure, that makes sense...
 
There are a lot of managers especially in Europe who don't give a fig about international games so even though for most of us and obviously the players the World Cup is the pinnacle of the game they will pick players who they feel will do the job.There is also some self interest on the part of some managers as so called"dead rubber"games might decide their future. Losing the last couple of games might mean finishing 12th in an 18 team competition while winning them might get a 9th position.Club chairmen,directors and lots of fans might feel that this is enough grounds to sack the incumbent.Your team losing 4 or 5 nil even in a " dead rubber" game against another mid table team does not look good.
I know that Van Persie's Feyenoord were not in that position but in that case you would hope Football Australia would make representations to the Dutch club to stand Bos down as probably the Japanese federation did regarding their players.The request may have been made but Van Persie with typical Dutch arrogance might feel that Australia is not that important in world football.
 
Tomi Juric came on in the fourth minute of second half stoppage time for 10-man Zrinjski in their 1-1 Bosnia and Herzegovina Football Cup final second leg draw with 10-man Velez, with Zrinjski winning the tie 2-1 on aggregate.
AI: "In the 105th minute of the 2015 AFC Asian Cup Final, Tomi Juric produced an iconic piece of play to set up the winning goal. He masterfully nutmegged a South Korean defender on the byline before delivering a low, driven cross into the box, which was parried by the goalkeeper directly into the path of James Troisi, who slammed it home to secure a 2-1 victory for Australia."
I was seated not far from the byline, best assist ever
 
We are playing two " friendlies " prior to the WC and I know this is necessary for Popovic to make his selections and set his strategies but any players in those games risk injury especially as many of them will be busting a gut to impress him.Stepping onto the field even in a training game always carries risks so playing end of season club games really is no different.
 
AI: "In the 105th minute of the 2015 AFC Asian Cup Final, Tomi Juric produced an iconic piece of play to set up the winning goal. He masterfully nutmegged a South Korean defender on the byline before delivering a low, driven cross into the box, which was parried by the goalkeeper directly into the path of James Troisi, who slammed it home to secure a 2-1 victory for Australia."
I was seated not far from the byline, best assist ever
I must have been near you as I was almost in line with the byline and have a vivid memory of his assist which he battled hard for.
Incidentally my 5 yo granddaughter who lives in Bangalow is a classmate of Troisi's daughter and they play in the same U6 team.They lost their first game 12-1 and young miss Troisi scored their only goal so maybe a future Matilda:):)
 
Boyle starting. Iredale, Suto, Koutroumbis bench in same game.
For all the stick that I and others give Boyle, he's obviously got the goods for Hibs, keeps getting picked and doing well. but international level football is another step up. Happy for him to be on the bench though, no doubting his energy and commitment and he can score
 
We are playing two " friendlies " prior to the WC and I know this is necessary for Popovic to make his selections and set his strategies but any players in those games risk injury especially as many of them will be busting a gut to impress him.Stepping onto the field even in a training game always carries risks so playing end of season club games really is no different.
I was thinking about exactly this the other day. I'd be surprised if any of the 48 teams have no friendlies booked. But I reckon all 22 players on the pitch have that as their priority - avoiding injury, and the coaches will have drummed that in to them. However, it only takes one idiot, or a rush of blood from someone. Not sure who the football god or goddess is to pray to for our boys to stay safe in their remaining games. I'll go for Zeus, in whose honour the Ancient Olympics were held. (AI says Maradona is the god of football, completing missing the point!)
 
I don’t really agree with that. Coaches obviously prioritise their club first, but that doesn’t mean they’re completely indifferent to international football or their players’ World Cup prospects.

Nobody is saying Van Persie is sitting there emotionally invested in Japan or Australia winning the World Cup but a strong World Cup can massively benefit a club, increasing a player’s value, reputation, confidence, and marketability. Clubs also want to maintain good relationships with national federations and players themselves. If a player feels their club is supporting them ahead of the biggest tournament in football, that matters.

And in this case, the point isn’t that Robin van Persie personally cares about Australia succeeding. It’s that smart clubs and coaches understand risk management. If a key player gets injured in a meaningless game, camp or friendly right before a World Cup, nobody benefits, not the national team, not the player, and not the club either.

That’s why bigger football nations and top clubs already manage these situations carefully. The Socceroos should be doing the same with our genuinely good players instead of treating everyone identically.

This is just arguing semantics, in the end like you said, Japan got two of their players released and we should've had Bos released too. I watched the game as well and Bos definitely seem more hesitant than usual to commit to anything too risky or be physical which again doesn't help the club. With Aus players, when we aren't playing Champions League football or fighting for titles, I guarantee you all they care about is being fit for the World Cup. Toure backed this up in his recent interview stating how his whole rehab seriousness was about making it to the World Cup healthy despite having to play another 6 or so club games beforehand.
On the Japanese page saying these 2 Japanese players (Ueada and another guy) went up to Van Persie asking to be released as they don't want to risk getting injured and Van Persie said YES right away to let them go. Maybe Jordan Bos didn't go to the coach and ask for permission.
 
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