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2025 Australia Cup final rounds thread

Yer bummer end for the Bergers.
Had enough chances they blew it can only blame themselves looking back.
Congrats Jets
 
Congratulations Jets.

Looking forward to kicking your butts in the aleague season :).

Heidelberg are way ahead on the 'likelihood' feeling whenever they get a fast break on.

Jets are way ahead on the positioning and structural attack.

Either team could have scored more and won. Bergers had more 'shoulda' moments but if you don't make them count they strangely don't count.

Kersey made some mistakes in my eyes for both sides - but the players were not deprived of the opportunity to play good football by repeated professional fouls or hacks like we see so often to slow down play on turnovers; and we saw plenty of good football.
 
Grozos as a Sent off player should have not been allowed to participate in the ceremony.
Bad precedent
 
with VAR heidelberg win that game probably, ref should be suspended, missed 1 clear pen arguably 2 for bergers & 1 for newy as well... heidelberg's red card was also incorrect decision
 
superpolska said:
with VAR heidelberg win that game probably, ref should be suspended, missed 1 clear pen arguably 2 for bergers & 1 for newy as well... heidelberg's red card was also incorrect decision
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With balls, your aunty would be your uncle, not probably, but really.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
With balls, your aunty would be your uncle, not probably, but really.
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Nothing false about what polska said at all... that was APL appeasing refing masterclass if ever there was one... congrats to the jets for having it handed to them! Pure and simple.. had any of that gone the other way you would be lividly screaming from the rafters!! With VAR bergers have won that!
 
Hellenic_blue&white said:
Nothing false about what polska said at all... that was APL appeasing refing masterclass if ever there was one... congrats to the jets for having it handed to them! Pure and simple.. had any of that gone the other way you would be lividly screaming from the rafters!! With VAR bergers have won that!
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You only say that because the opposition was from the A league, that you openly despise. I would lividly be screaming fuck all, as i have no dog in the fight.
 
2 penalties that would have been given with VAR. Red card for DOGSO against Heidelberg when there were other players that could have tackled the Jets player. Commentators not querying yet calling for it in the first half against Heidelberg when again there were plenty of covering defence.

I wouldn't put it as APL appeasing by Kersey. He always favours the favourite. We are not blessed by many, if any, top level referees in Australia.
 
Hellenic_blue&white said:
I surely do openly despise it yes! Doesnt change that we saw some 'very convenient' refing 'mistakes' that led to that outcome though!
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Why would you care about Heidelberg, unless it's a Greek thing, or an anti A league thing. I would imagine that you are also anti VAR, until tonight.
If the result was reversed, would you still have moaned if Newcastle where on the other side of the decisions ?
 
At the ground didnt think either was a penalty, having gone home and watched it again they were both penalties for mine. I thought the red to Heidelberg was harsh but i also think the previous last man foul that was a yellow should have been a red. If VAR was in for this game it would have featured heavily.

Both teams played very well, was a great watch, newcastle got the ball in the bergers box so many times but too often they werent prepared to shoot, it was fitting when one player finally took the initiative the reward came with that cracking 2nd goal. Bergers would be kicking themselves for not converting their chances.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
Why would you care about Heidelberg, unless it's a Greek thing, or an anti A league thing.
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Thats been answered before.
Sutherlandbear said:
I would imagine that you are also anti VAR, until tonight.
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Not against VAR.
Sutherlandbear said:
If the result was reversed, would you still have moaned if Newcastle where on the other side of the decisions ?
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Actually id be miffed if it was handed in that exact fashion to the bergers! Once again it wasnt though, and the benefit of questionable decisions as in our last years semi, sees a pendulum that continues to swing only in one direction...when its sometimes then perhaps i would write it off to human error, when its always though, its obviously systemic!
 
southmelb said:
At the ground didnt think either was a penalty, having gone home and watched it again they were both penalties for mine. I thought the red to Heidelberg was harsh but i also think the previous last man foul that was a yellow should have been a red. If VAR was in for this game it would have featured heavily.

Both teams played very well, was a great watch, newcastle got the ball in the bergers box so many times but too often they werent prepared to shoot, it was fitting when one player finally took the initiative the reward came with that cracking 2nd goal. Bergers would be kicking themselves for not converting their chances.
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I need to see a clip of this first yellow again - because I thought that that straight red was vey harsh - I didn't think it met enough of the 4 D's (considerations for DOGSO that would make it a straight red), and it certainly wasn't Serious Foul Play.

The thing that gets me about it, is the referee seemed to let a lot go all game. Nothing wrong with that of course if there's consistency about it - and would make the first yellow (that apparently should have been a red) make sense as well - but in that case, the second red card should have just been a yellow.
 
superpolska said:
with VAR heidelberg win that game probably, ref should be suspended, missed 1 clear pen arguably 2 for bergers & 1 for newy as well... heidelberg's red card was also incorrect decision
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Watching the stream 'live' I thought the Heidelberg player deliberately dragged his foot in the lead up to contact to both make sure of the contact and to set up a fall.

The ref, without VAR, may well have seen the same thing as me and considered it overacted - which (overacting) some may agree does happen from time to time in our sport.

Looking at it in replay I find myself leaning more to a penalty because the dragged foot looks a lot more natural from a different angle and the defender just stuffed up.

I will not cry for the head of the referee in the moment - it could have been seen as looking for contact in that instant and given how many slight and contrived contacts result in catastrophic falls (yes, those accursed dark arts that many consider skills) I actually prefer the refs to judge them tougher.

There was contact - should it have caused the player to crumple like he did? Probably not. I think that was something the refs were to specifically watching for last season if I recall correctly.

Would VAR ask the ref to look at it on the monitor? Most likely, but in my experience not necessarily.
Would the ref see enough serious contact to overturn their decision? Maybe not.

For the Bergers red card, is that the player who slid in and raised one foot above ground making contact with the calf/shin in what could be seen as a trip? Or was that the Jets red card? I can understand the sliding action being given a red in circumstances like that due to the reckless/uncontrolled nature of the action (or did he intend raising that foot and getting a red for that alone).

I thought the card for a high boot where the opposition player had his head down at waist height was more of a shocker. Should have been dangerous play by the one with their head down.

I defend the circumstances and the right of the ref to judge what he sees in the moment (with his assistants where they can help). I do not necessarily defend the actual decisions made.
 
Heidelberg by far received the most penalties of any team in npl vic this season, they challenge backlines by constantly running at them and arent afraid to drop to the ground when required, in regular league play they would have got both decisions, i can however see why both were turned away.
 
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