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2025 Australia Cup final rounds thread

HappyGuus said:
Sorry, it was a nod to the meme about NPL Victoria being the centre of the universe. I wasn't looking at A-League.
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I think a victorian all team team for the socceroos would be beaten pretty badly by a nsw team?
 
It might not reflect the scoreline but both played some nice football nevertheless, just Avendale were ruthless in front of goal.

They look like a dangerous team, fitness levels after NPL season permitting will be hard to beat.
 
Brisbane City are 7th on the QNPL table.

Avondale the top of theirs.

For comparison APIA Leichhardt is also top of their table.

Just the rub of the green that we do not necessarily see the best of one state against the best of another in the Cup.

Scoring 6 says a lot more to me than the win by itself. I did not get to watch the game tonight unfortunately.
 
grazorblade said:
I think a victorian all team team for the socceroos would be beaten pretty badly by a nsw team?
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Do you mean where Socceroos players were born? I have no idea about that. I'm just going by a decade of Australia Cup performances comparing the federations.

Victorian clubs at home vs NSW:
4 wins, 1 draw (after extra time), 3 losses.

Victorian clubs away vs NSW:
6 wins, 1 draw, 0 losses.

Overall Victoria vs NSW:
10 wins, 2 draws, 3 losses.

I hope my numbers are correct, but that's pretty decisive.

Now for the secret herbs and spices, the coefficient!

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I know the Australia Cup spots are based on the numbers of clubs in a federation, so I can't argue with that. But it really does highlight the difference in quality between federations. Victoria, daylight, NSW, daylight, Queensland and SA practically tied. WA and NNSW are so low because A) they've been shit until recently, and B) they both have two teams in the cup, so their crap performances are doubled. That's what coefficients show, which federations deserve more slots and which have too many. Victoria, even when they were granted an extra spot for 2022-24, only put the foot harder on the throat and exerted their dominance further. NSW can't touch them and the facts back it up. There isn't any argument. Even this season, APIA did well against the Melbourne City kids, but it pales in comparison to the Victorian performances.

Eventually, I'd like to see the Championship spots based on something like this. NT would playoff for entry against the next lowest ranked fed, just so they're connected to the quasi-pyramid, otherwise they'd get belted in the group stage if they're granted an automatic spot.
 
HappyGuus said:
Do you mean where Socceroos players were born? I have no idea about that. I'm just going by a decade of Australia Cup performances comparing the federations.

Victorian clubs at home vs NSW:
4 wins, 1 draw (after extra time), 3 losses.

Victorian clubs away vs NSW:
6 wins, 1 draw, 0 losses.

Overall Victoria vs NSW:
10 wins, 2 draws, 3 losses.

I hope my numbers are correct, but that's pretty decisive.

Now for the secret herbs and spices, the coefficient!

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I know the Australia Cup spots are based on the numbers of clubs in a federation, so I can't argue with that. But it really does highlight the difference in quality between federations. Victoria, daylight, NSW, daylight, Queensland and SA practically tied. WA and NNSW are so low because A) they've been shit until recently, and B) they both have two teams in the cup, so their crap performances are doubled. That's what coefficients show, which federations deserve more slots and which have too many. Victoria, even when they were granted an extra spot for 2022-24, only put the foot harder on the throat and exerted their dominance further. NSW can't touch them and the facts back it up. There isn't any argument. Even this season, APIA did well against the Melbourne City kids, but it pales in comparison to the Victorian performances.

Eventually, I'd like to see the Championship spots based on something like this. NT would playoff for entry against the next lowest ranked fed, just so they're connected to the quasi-pyramid, otherwise they'd get belted in the group stage if they're granted an automatic spot.
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Yeah place of birth
Nsw probably the strongest
 
HappyGuus said:
Do you mean where Socceroos players were born? I have no idea about that. I'm just going by a decade of Australia Cup performances comparing the federations.

Victorian clubs at home vs NSW:
4 wins, 1 draw (after extra time), 3 losses.

Victorian clubs away vs NSW:
6 wins, 1 draw, 0 losses.

Overall Victoria vs NSW:
10 wins, 2 draws, 3 losses.

I hope my numbers are correct, but that's pretty decisive.

Now for the secret herbs and spices, the coefficient!

View attachment 2992

I know the Australia Cup spots are based on the numbers of clubs in a federation, so I can't argue with that. But it really does highlight the difference in quality between federations. Victoria, daylight, NSW, daylight, Queensland and SA practically tied. WA and NNSW are so low because A) they've been shit until recently, and B) they both have two teams in the cup, so their crap performances are doubled. That's what coefficients show, which federations deserve more slots and which have too many. Victoria, even when they were granted an extra spot for 2022-24, only put the foot harder on the throat and exerted their dominance further. NSW can't touch them and the facts back it up. There isn't any argument. Even this season, APIA did well against the Melbourne City kids, but it pales in comparison to the Victorian performances.

Eventually, I'd like to see the Championship spots based on something like this. NT would playoff for entry against the next lowest ranked fed, just so they're connected to the quasi-pyramid, otherwise they'd get belted in the group stage if they're granted an automatic spot.
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4 NSW wins to 3 Victorian wins in cup finals. (the part that counts)

Australia Cup WINNERS

www.australiacup.com.au www.australiacup.com.au
 
grazorblade said:
Yeah place of birth
Nsw probably the strongest
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Eh, that's a different argument really. Otherwise that's like saying the Campeonato Brasileiro Série A is the best league in the world because Brazil has the most world cup players.

I'm talking about actual member federation performance, not where the players are from.
 
HappyGuus said:
Do you mean where Socceroos players were born? I have no idea about that. I'm just going by a decade of Australia Cup performances comparing the federations.

Victorian clubs at home vs NSW:
4 wins, 1 draw (after extra time), 3 losses.

Victorian clubs away vs NSW:
6 wins, 1 draw, 0 losses.

Overall Victoria vs NSW:
10 wins, 2 draws, 3 losses.

I hope my numbers are correct, but that's pretty decisive.

Now for the secret herbs and spices, the coefficient!

View attachment 2992

I know the Australia Cup spots are based on the numbers of clubs in a federation, so I can't argue with that. But it really does highlight the difference in quality between federations. Victoria, daylight, NSW, daylight, Queensland and SA practically tied. WA and NNSW are so low because A) they've been shit until recently, and B) they both have two teams in the cup, so their crap performances are doubled. That's what coefficients show, which federations deserve more slots and which have too many. Victoria, even when they were granted an extra spot for 2022-24, only put the foot harder on the throat and exerted their dominance further. NSW can't touch them and the facts back it up. There isn't any argument. Even this season, APIA did well against the Melbourne City kids, but it pales in comparison to the Victorian performances.

Eventually, I'd like to see the Championship spots based on something like this. NT would playoff for entry against the next lowest ranked fed, just so they're connected to the quasi-pyramid, otherwise they'd get belted in the group stage if they're granted an automatic spot.
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The coefficient will be interesting to watch after the championship. It looks like vic clubs are dominant!
 
HappyGuus said:
You missed the part about "going by a decade of Australia Cup performances comparing the federations". Not sure that performances from 1962 should be included in the coefficients... 🤣
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They were not counted, only from 2014 was counted.
 
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