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Alex M said:
We have a very young team with no superstars (maybe a couple of potential ones) and have only gotten to the last 16 in modern times twice. A loss in the round of 32 isn't a failure.
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Depends on who we face - but it is not an automatic failure. NZ still an option in the Rd 32 - if we lose to NZ in R32 it is a failure. TBH Woud should have started for keeper for them both games - Crocombe was and still is a poor keeper and Paulsen has gone downhill since his early ALM form

If it is Germany if we finish 3rd then no disgrace losing to them.
 
patjennings said:
A 2-0 loss is not dramatic but leaves us close to elimination - anything more becomes even more problematic .
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Once you start relying on results from other teams that it becomes a nervous wait, I'd rather avoid that problem which is why ironically a risk adverse approach is the best way to go in this game which would suit Popa's tactic and selections.
 
Punchanello said:
I don't disagree with the sentiment. But nobody was questioning what he is trying to build after the Turkey match. Defensively disciplined, combative and lightning quick on the break.
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That's because no one expected to win against Turkiye. That is a game where you can expect to see the defensive block. In games where you should be challenging or winning, you need to see the growth. The idea is that Turkiye was not expected win, we scraped it. Now lets see what we can do against teams on similar levels or where we can actually go for it.

Just looking at those stats and how many of them we are in the bottom ranks is shocking, especially accurate passes per game
 
zimbos05 said:
That's because no one expected to win against Turkiye. That is a game where you can expect to see the defensive block. In games where you should be challenging or winning, you need to see the growth. The idea is that Turkiye was not expected win, we scraped it. Now lets see what we can do against teams on similar levels or where we can actually go for it.

Just looking at those stats and how many of them we are in the bottom ranks is shocking, especially accurate passes per game
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We are not expected to win any of these matches. Even on Australian betting sites where you would expect more money to come in for us, we are at $4 against Paraguay. The win against Turkey is already an over achievement for the tournament in terms of results.
 
Cunningstunt said:
We are not expected to win any of these matches. Even on Australian betting sites where you would expect more money to come in for us, we are at $4 against Paraguay. The win against Turkey is already an over achievement for the tournament in terms of results.
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That's the kind of mentality that leaves you falling behind the rest of the world.

I would definitely say that we expected to get our points from US and Paraguay games. If we are going to go to World Cups just to make up numbers, then there's no point to any of this.
 
zimbos05 said:
That's the kind of mentality that leaves you falling behind the rest of the world.

I would definitely say that we expected to get our points from US and Paraguay games. If we are going to go to World Cups just to make up numbers, then there's no point to any of this.
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I guess it depends on how we direct our hunger to be better. My blowtorch is directed at our development pathways
 
grazorblade said:
I guess it depends on how we direct our hunger to be better. My blowtorch is directed at our development pathways
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Need to take the blow torch what’s in front of us as well as big leading light 💡to look up to instead of always being afraid.
 
zimbos05 said:
That's the kind of mentality that leaves you falling behind the rest of the world.

I would definitely say that we expected to get our points from US and Paraguay games. If we are going to go to World Cups just to make up numbers, then there's no point to any of this.
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This is not my view. It is the view of almost all of the world. People have put their money on it. It should give context to expectations.
 
grazorblade said:
I guess it depends on how we direct our hunger to be better. My blowtorch is directed at our development pathways
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In what sense, G?

I need a refresher on your perception what could be improved, which I am assuming is a bit to do with a few of your eminent guests on the Pod.
 
Cunningstunt said:
This is not my view. It is the view of almost all of the world. People have put their money on it. It should give context to expectations.
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You and I are realists, whereas many posting on here have too high an expectation of Australia’s capability. Also, they are hypercritical of the Aus coaching staff.

Even this tournament has shown our lack of depth in some positions. Moreover, our team is worth less on the transfer market than 1 player in the Turkish team. Paraguay are worth double Aus, whilst Turkey and USA are worth 6 and 5 times respectively our value.
 
Decentric said:
You and I are realists, whereas many posting on here have too high an expectation of Australia’s capability. Also, they are hypercritical of the Aus coaching staff.

Even this tournament has shown our lack of depth in some positions. Moreover, our team is worth less on the transfer market than 1 player in the Turkish team. Paraguay are worth double Aus, whilst Turkey and USA are worth 6 and 5 times respectively our value.
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I think people are right to be excited. The potential for these guys is way higher than any previous world cup squad. But at the moment they are young and it is still potential. We are up against teams with older guys who are in their prime.

It should temper expectations of results though. And more importantly it is why we shouldn't be thinking in terms of only results, particularly results at the WC, to determine if Popa should continue as coach. Because in terms of results, both in qualifying directly and by beating Turkey, he has already over achieved.
 
Cunningstunt said:
I think people are right to be excited. The potential for these guys is way higher than any previous world cup squad. But at the moment they are young and it is still potential. We are up against teams with older guys who are in their prime.

It should temper expectations of results though. And more importantly it is why we shouldn't be thinking in terms of only results, particularly results at the WC, to determine if Popa should continue as coach. Because in terms of results, both in qualifying directly and by beating Turkey, he has already over achieved.
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Well said!

Even with dual national pressure, the quantity of quality coming through, is phenomenal.

Young players who have not been in the senior Roo framework yet, have immense talent, depending on their club scenarios, which always go wrong for some.

Leonard, Younis, Sicluna, Taylor, Adams, the new 16 yo midfielder for SFC, Bozinovski, Dobson, Youlley, Badolato, Bennie, the former AU striker in the USA, Mehmeti, and his big Melb City teammate striker, et al, have not been mentioned in the senior Roo frame - yet.

We have established Roos - Beach, Okon Jr, Volpato, Circati, Iran, Mo Toure, Bos and Herrington at a very young age.

Hopefully the talented Teague, Arzani, Farrell, get their club scenarios back on track, after wasting a year or more.
 
Cunningstunt said:
This is not my view. It is the view of almost all of the world. People have put their money on it. It should give context to expectations.
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I get that, and it's not wrong. However, on a world cup, you can't just play to expectation. You get these moments maybe once in your life. You need to be more proactive. He has had time before the cup to develop plans and structures. World cups are for implementing and going for it.

At this level, you need to be adaptable and not just play to the expectation. Some of those stats are shocking for a nation ranked 27th in the world.

Decentric said:
You and I are realists, whereas many posting on here have too high an expectation of Australia’s capability. Also, they are hypercritical of the Aus coaching staff.

Even this tournament has shown our lack of depth in some positions. Moreover, our team is worth less on the transfer market than 1 player in the Turkish team. Paraguay are worth double Aus, whilst Turkey and USA are worth 6 and 5 times respectively our value.
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I don't think it's too high an expectation as opposed to a lack of frustration in stagnant progress. It's perfectly fine to be critical. Many of us have seen multiple world cups and tournaments. We work in the game. We want to see progress and positivity. We've seen this constant battler mentality for too long, and it's not good to have.
 
Decentric said:
You and I are realists, whereas many posting on here have too high an expectation of Australia’s capability. Also, they are hypercritical of the Aus coaching staff.

Even this tournament has shown our lack of depth in some positions. Moreover, our team is worth less on the transfer market than 1 player in the Turkish team. Paraguay are worth double Aus, whilst Turkey and USA are worth 6 and 5 times respectively our value.
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Our depth hasn't been helped by poor squad selection.
 
Decentric said:
In what sense, G?

I need a refresher on your perception what could be improved, which I am assuming is a bit to do with a few of your eminent guests on the Pod.
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National youth league, h&a national second tier, full time strength and conditioning coaches, technical directors at A league clubs helping organize getting a players first 500 senior minutes at an earlier age for both A league and reserve sides would all be a short wish list

a plan towards p&r would be fantastic too
 
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