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The Australian Government has taken the decision to recognise the State of Palestine. Just like many other countries have done as Robbo rightly points out. This would make Australia sympathetic towards the future of a fully fledged Palestine. But yet the Jewish community in Australia says it still feels unsafe despite Australia's direction in recognising Palestine.

There was a recent attack on a Synagogue in Manchester in England. Two people were killed. The weekend after the attacks there was a pro - Palestinian march through the streets of Manchester. Even though Britain like Australia has recently recognised the State of Palestine.

One of the regular slogans on the march was ‘Globalise the Intifada’ – a clear and unambiguous call for the mass slaughter of Jews to move beyond Israel. From the reports I've read these Pro-Palestinian marchers weren't particularly of a Muslim background either, there was probably few, but the according to those reports the vast majority were white British.
I'd say most people in Britain, like Australia are sympathetic towards Palestinians and their right to exist in their own country or at least their own state. Yet Jews in Britain, like Australia are still being targeted

What happened on Bondi Beach was globalising the Intifada in action, as was the Manchester synagogue attack.

Globalise the Intifada does not call for the mass slaughter of Jews. Stop making up bullshit, or parroting what Sky or Fox says it means. Intifada means to rise up against oppression or an enemy. The enemy is Zionism, not Jews. How many fucking times does it have to be said? In this instant, it means to stand up to the oppression of the Zionist regime, be it in Israel or abroad. This means not supporting Israeli business, boycotting companies who do support Israel, and asking your governments to stop backing Israel. Uprising does not always need to involved weapons. But, let me guess, Sky and Fox know the religion better right?

What happened on Bondi Beach is not globalising the intifada. Stop with this blatant misrepresentation. If recognising a people makes a person feel unsafe, then there is more at play here. Netanyahu has consistently fanned the flames since Australia made that recognition, even going as far as to threaten Australia.

The writer.of that op-ed in the Australian Guardian I quoted isn't insisting that there is only "one solution" and I'd be pretty confident that being a former Labor staffer and political adviser to Anthony Albanese that he believes in the "Two-State Solution" too..

I'm sure he wouldn't have been given a column in the Guardian if he wasn’t of that opinion.

He's asking ifJewish people have a safe future in Australia??

Jewish people have a safe future here, for sure. Fanning the flames of hatred is the biggest issue here.

I'm not making this about whatboutism, but Muslims have been targets of abuse and hate for decades. As far back as 2001, when Kuraby mosque got bombed and burnt down. Then there was the Cronulla riots. The consistent messaging from Pauline Hanson -who always gets TV air time and widespread coverage. The multiple attacks on mosques across Australia. Gold Coast bomb threat this year, Bomb threat at the Islamic school. Toowoomba mosque was attacked in 2015 and pig heads left in the mosque. The Christchurch massacre, yet no one asks the question if Muslims feel safe? Keep villainising us, and then you wonder why some people react.

I'll stand with my Jewish counterpart to make them feel safe, but until we stop with the hateful rhetoric that only one group is important over the other, and constantly painting one group as the enemy, then true safety wont come.

 

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Stop making up bullshit, or parroting what Sky or Fox says it means.

Opinion | Bondi Beach Is What ‘Globalize the Intifada’ Looks Like

When a slogan’s real meaning comes true.

www.nytimes.com

Not Sky News not Fox News

Paywalled but here's what he wrote in his opinion piece

Opinion Columnist

There is a measure of comfort to be taken in the fact that Sunday’s terrorist attack at a Hanukkah event at Sydney’s Bondi Beach, which left at least 15 people dead and many more injured, also produced a hero. Ahmed al-Ahmed, described in news accounts as a local shopkeeper, single-handedly disarmed one of two terrorists and survived being shot twice — a scene that was captured on camera and has since gone viral.

That act of bravery not only saved lives; it served as an essential reminder that humanity can always transcend cultural and religious boundaries.

But the Hanukkah massacre also represents the continuing inability of the government of Anthony Albanese, Australia’s prime minister, to safeguard the country’s Jewish community. In October 2024, a kosher restaurant in Bondi was the target of an arson attack; six weeks later, an Orthodox synagogue was firebombed. Those attacks were attributed to the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps of Iran, and the Albanese government duly responded by expelling the Iranian ambassador in Canberra and closing its own embassy in Tehran.

Sadly for Australia, foreign actors alone aren’t the problem. Last year, Jillian Segal, the government’s special envoy to combat antisemitism, warned that “antisemitic behavior is not only present on many campuses, but is an embedded part of the culture.” In the wake of Hamas’s attack of Oct. 7, Greens legislator Jenny Leong went on a rant accusing “the tentacles” of the “Jewish lobby and the Zionist lobby” of “infiltrating into every single aspect of what is ethnic community groups.” Jewish homes, neighborhoods and a day care center have been targeted by vandals and arsonists. At least one of the alleged shooters in Sunday’s attack was known to authorities, “but not in an immediate threat perspective,” according to a top Australian intelligence official.

I heard an earful of alarm from Jewish communal leaders when I last visited Australia in June 2024, but nothing seemed to change. On Sunday, the Australian Jewish Association posted a message to Facebook: “How many times did we warn the Government? We never felt once that they listened.”

 

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Opinion | Bondi Beach Is What ‘Globalize the Intifada’ Looks Like

When a slogan’s real meaning comes true.

www.nytimes.com

Not Sky News not Fox News

Paywalled but here's what he wrote in his opinion piece

New York Times is a very right wing publication whose President and CEO is a staunch Zionist and member of the B'nai B'rith Youth Organization (BBYO), that states an "unwavering commitment to the state of Israel" as a core value.

Also, because some random non named opinion-ist person says it, must make it true. Not the Muslims who actually understand what the word means.

 

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New York Times is a very right wing publication

No, it's fairly liberal and very sympathetic towards the Palestinian cause as well as the two state solution. Like most of the pro Democrat Party media

 

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No, it's fairly liberal and very sympathetic towards the Palestinian cause as well as the two state solution. Like most of the pro Democrat Party media

Agree to disagree on the first part.

Still doesn't change the fact that the article is wrong about global intifada.

 

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Agree to disagree on the first part.

Still doesn't change the fact that the article is wrong about global intifada.

The UK Guardian newspaper -- not Sky News

Around the world, anti-Jewish hate is growing. In Bondi, we see the tragic results | Dave Rich

After the latest in a series of deadly attacks on the global Jewish community, Jews are angry. And we have good reason to be, says Dave Rich of the Community Security Trust

www.theguardian.com

Just this weekend in Birmingham, “One Solution Intifada Revolution” was brandished on a huge banner across the front of a pro-Palestine march. Elias Rodriguez, the man accused of shooting dead Sarah Milgrim and Yaron Lischinsky outside the Jewish Museum in Washington DC in May, was said by witnesses to have shouted “There is only one solution, intifada revolution” afterwards. There is no shyness about this support for violence: the Birmingham banner even included the upside-down red triangle that has become the symbol of the Hamas military wing, used in propaganda videos to mark out their targets ever since 7 October 2023.

 

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The UK Guardian newspaper -- not Sky News

Around the world, anti-Jewish hate is growing. In Bondi, we see the tragic results | Dave Rich

After the latest in a series of deadly attacks on the global Jewish community, Jews are angry. And we have good reason to be, says Dave Rich of the Community Security Trust

www.theguardian.com

What's your point, that because newspapers keep saying it, it must be true?

Papers on both the left and right have misused Islamic terms. I'm telling you what Intifada means, if you are going to insist, then there is no discussion here.

I've heard them before. Jihad, Taqiya, Jizya...all used incorrectly.

No one is saying that anti-semitism isn't an issue. The concern is that people are saying it in the same breath as saying that taking up the cause of the Palestinian people is responsible. This is incorrect. Muslims have been subject to hate and abuse for decades, yet no one fights for them. Just recently, Hanson walked into cabinet mocking Muslims. Nothing came of it. She still fuels the flames and her support grows. Anti-semitism is just as serious as issue, but that hate is on the rise suggests more at play. We need to stop the divisive rhetoric on all sides, and hold to account the politicians, news organisations, and people fuelling this

 

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What's your point, that because newspapers keep saying it, it must be true?

Papers on both the left and right have misused Islamic terms. I'm telling you what Intifada means, if you are going to insist, then there is no discussion here.

I'm not Jewish so it's impossible for me to have a valid opinion on why Jews might not feel safe either in Australia or elsewhere. So I read the opinions of prominent Jewish journalists who work for fair minded media outlets such as The Guardian, the New York Times etc etc....

Not sensationalism from the Sky or Fox neanderthals...

When Muslims are attacked in a similar vein, such as Christchurch I can't walk in their shoes either so I read the opinions of prominent Muslim journalists writing or op-eding for the same sensible publications.

Sorry I don't get my stuff from social media. I'm an old school a newspaper man

 

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The UK Guardian newspaper -- not Sky News

Around the world, anti-Jewish hate is growing. In Bondi, we see the tragic results | Dave Rich

After the latest in a series of deadly attacks on the global Jewish community, Jews are angry. And we have good reason to be, says Dave Rich of the Community Security Trust

www.theguardian.com

Ever wonder why anti-Israel attacks have spiked in the last 18 months or so?

None of this stuff occurs in a vacuum.

 

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Ever wonder why anti-Israel attacks have spiked in the last 18 months or so?

None of this stuff occurs in a vacuum.

Because of Israeli action in Gaza which came after the October the 7th attacks in Israel.

These recent attacks occurred at Bondi Beach in Sydney which isn't in Israel.

Australia's current Government is reasonably and sensibly sympathetic and considerate towards the Palestinian cause so why attack Australian Jews?

And why don't Australia's Jewish community feel safe here in their own country as the Guardian article maybe alluded too??

Also I'm not supporting Israel here just wondering why Australian Jews are perhaps feeling unsafe in Australia?

 

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When was the last time the yanks had a mass shooting and four brave kents tried to take on the attackers?


Those poor two people who tried to stop the attackers and both died in each other's arms.

 

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I'm not Jewish so it's impossible for me to have a valid opinion on why Jews might not feel safe either in Australia or elsewhere. So I read the opinions of prominent Jewish journalists who work for fair minded media outlets such as The Guardian, the New York Times etc etc....

Not sensationalism from the Sky or Fox neanderthals...

When Muslims are attacked in a similar vein, such as Christchurch I can't walk in their shoes either so I read the opinions of prominent Muslim journalists writing or op-eding for the same sensible publications.

Sorry I don't get my stuff from social media. I'm an old school a newspaper man

Ok, so when a Muslim tells you that those news outlets have misused Arabic words, would you not consider that to be the case?

Because of Israeli action in Gaza which came after the October the 7th attacks in Israel.

These recent attacks occurred at Bondi Beach in Sydney which isn't in Israel.

Australia's current Government is reasonably and sensibly sympathetic and considerate towards the Palestinian cause so why attack Australian Jews?

And why don't Australia's Jewish community feel safe here in their own country as the Guardian article maybe alluded too??

Also I'm not supporting Israel here just wondering why Australian Jews are perhaps feeling unsafe in Australia?

Again, the Palestine conflict did not begin on October 7. Israel carried out action in Palestine before October 7 as well.

There are many people in Australia that staunch Zionist and support the Israel cause. The Lord Mayor of Brisbane is a staunch Zionist who has used Brisbane buildings and landmarks to support he cause of the Israel lobby.

Why don't Muslim Australians feel safe in Australia?

 

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And why don't Australia's Jewish community feel safe here in their own country as the Guardian article maybe alluded too??

One reason could be because they're running around waving Israeli flags while that country is involved in what is widely accepted (except by the perpetrators) as a genocide.

(Not saying I condone any of it!)

 

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Well, maybe they should not have started something that they could not finish. BTW, apparently their is plenty of Genocide happening in other countries, but we see no mention of it. DYOR.

The Christians in Nigeria buy the Muslims are being slaughtered, but not a peep from the left.

 

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Why don't Muslim Australians feel safe in Australia?

I don't walk in the shoes of Australian Muslims so cannot possibly know why the might feel unsafe....

It's possibly because in recent years there's been a lot of far right condemnation of Australia's Islamic community??


Before I lived in Australia I did live nearly two decades in London. London as I'm sure you know has a very large Muslim community. I knew lots of Muslim guys, not so much as friends but more as work and business aquintances. I never had one of them ever say a bad word to me. Most, if not all of them were complete gentlemen.

And I never heard any of them say anything disrespectful of any English people or any Jewish people for that matter.

I've met quite a few Muslims in Brisbane and my interactions with those people have been very good.

 

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One reason could be because they're running around waving Israeli flags while that country is involved in what is widely accepted (except by the perpetrators) as a genocide.

(Not saying I condone any of it!)

Fair point.

What about little 10 year old Matilda?

Was she waving an Israeli flag??

 

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I don't walk in the shoes of Australian Muslims so cannot possibly know why the might feel unsafe....

It's possibly because in recent years there's been a lot of far right condemnation of Australia's Islamic community??


Before I lived in Australia I did live nearly two decades in London. London as I'm sure you know has a very large Muslim community. I knew lots of Muslim guys, not so much as friends but more as work and business aquintances. I never had one of them ever say a bad word to me. Most, if not all of them were complete gentlemen.

And I never heard any of them say anything disrespectful of any English people or any Jewish people for that matter.

I've met quite a few Muslims in Brisbane and my interactions with those people have been very good.

I respect that. Surely your interactions and history would reflect that Islam is not a violent religion and that what you read in the papers about Islam is not entirely true.

The attacks on Islam have not just been the last few years, been decades of it.

I know exactly how the Jewish community felt, because I've had multiple incidents in which I have felt the same. I know they are hurting. I know this can't be good time for them. I open my door to them.

However, I refuse to be part of the group that continues to turn on each other to serve the agendas of those higher up.

 

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Fair point.

What about little 10 year old Matilda?

Was she waving an Israeli flag??

Your question was a general one and so was my response.

I am not going to try and get into the head of a cooked dipshit

I am sure he probably hit a few surfers etc too.

 

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Why don't Muslim Australians feel safe in Australia?

Maybe they'll feel safer if they banned the burqa and assimilated into the Australian Culture.

 

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Your question was a general one and so was my response.

I am not going to try and get into the head of a cooked dipshit

I am sure he probably hit a few surfers etc too.

Again fair point. FWIW I think waving flags in public is for fucking idiots.

Flags belong on ships or government buildings. Maybe international sporting events too if you're a bit nationalistic...