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[southmelb]

And yet in WA’s case they created both the Eagles and Dockers out of thin air, though in fairness it was the prudent thing to do in those particular instances.

Freo were a new franchise but obviously they drew a lot of their support from the the 2 wafl clubs South and East Fremantle so it made sense with a point of difference.

SA and WA were done in a similar fashion. Crows and Eagles the brand new franchises out of thin air, the 2nd licenses were awarded to clubs that either existed or had a strong local presence.

If the 2nd teams were Adelaide Heart or Perth Heart they both probably would have folded.

 

[HappyGuus]

My memory is a bit hazy on it now, but in the early 90s I think Port Adelaide were about to enter the AFL, but all the other local SANFL clubs cracked the shits and came together to form the Crows, and the AFL backflipped on Port. The Crows would then farm out their reserves players to all the SANFL teams bar Port. It was despicable stuff.

Meanwhile, the AFL owns multiple clubs or runs their boards and the fans couldn't care less. Clubs don't pay for failure, they are propped up with draft picks and financial bailouts, the league survives on mediocrity. Don't mention any of it, it's a career killer if you do.

Am I in the right thread? hahaha

 

[southmelb]

Yes the afl wanted Port first. Im pretty sure the crows were formed by the south australian football league.

The irony is if Port go in first i doubt you get a 2nd team made up from scratch and the sanfl probably remains a strong league.

The Crows and Eagles killed their respective state comps.

 

[Glenardo]

Yes the afl wanted Port first. Im pretty sure the crows were formed by the south australian football league.

The irony is if Port go in first i doubt you get a 2nd team made up from scratch and the sanfl probably remains a strong league.

The Crows and Eagles killed their respective state comps.

Apologies Victoria based forum members, but to tie it back to sokkah, despite Adelaide city still being a strong club, feels sort of like Adelaide united have had a similar effect on traditional clubs in Adelaide. Probably a lot to do with it being a smaller city

 

[Hellenic_blue&white]

Apologies Victoria based forum members, but to tie it back to sokkah, despite Adelaide city still being a strong club, feels sort of like Adelaide united have had a similar effect on traditional clubs in Adelaide. Probably a lot to do with it being a smaller city

i very much agree, but there is a unique opportunity in Adel for Ad City others dont have imo. There is no local competition really, AL is covered by utd, no local derby there, if they were smart they would put everything into recaptioning that appeal they had, even if the numbers are not there from the onset, selling the idea of an alternative per say. The NST will again give relevence on a mational.stage and then you sell the idea of a real alternative locally. The ground from memory (adel city park) had plane for redevelopment into a modern ground (i thinknit holds 5k or so currently) if that can be done it upgrades the experience and the history of the club will seel the rest .

Lets be honest if Avondale with none of the above can do it why cant City?

 

[Hellenic_blue&white]

Sutherland (ambition remains to be seen)
South Hobart (proven worthy off the park needs work on it)
Sunshine Coast (take the leap)
Adelaide City (take their finger out and organise)
Melb knights (if they eventually get their act together)
Bergers (actually commit)

That makes 6 + 8
Home and away league ideal!

And thats without me actually knowing the Qld landscape as there may be other actual candidates there..

You legitimately have a second tier to tie to the first...

 

[Glenardo]

i very much agree, but there is a unique opportunity in Adel for Ad City others dont have imo. There is no local competition really, AL is covered by utd, no local derby there, if they were smart they would put everything into recaptioning that appeal they had, even if the numbers are not there from the onset, selling the idea of an alternative per say. The NST will again give relevence on a mational.stage and then you sell the idea of a real alternative locally. The ground from memory (adel city park) had plane for redevelopment into a modern ground (i thinknit holds 5k or so currently) if that can be done it upgrades the experience and the history of the club will seel the rest .

Lets be honest if Avondale with none of the above can do it why cant City?

When Adelaide city have played in the Australia cup it’s seemed ok, especially when they had that derby against Adelaide united a few years back. I doubt they’d play out of Adelaide city park, probably that new football South Australia facility they’ve been playing cup games and npl finals at.

 

[Glenardo]

Sutherland (ambition remains to be seen)
South Hobart (proven worthy off the park needs work on it)
Sunshine Coast (take the leap)
Adelaide City (take their finger out and organise)
Melb knights (if they eventually get their act together)
Bergers (actually commit)

That makes 6 + 8
Home and away league ideal!

And thats without me actually knowing the Qld landscape as there may be other actual candidates there..

You legitimately have a second tier to tie to the first...

I think Rockdale illinden in Sydney could maybe do it too of the Sydney clubs which aren’t already in. As I’ve said before, too bad about Bonnyrigg white eagles, if this conversation was happening 10 years ago they’d probably also have been in the discussion, who knows maybe one day they turn it around, but they’re headed in the wrong direction atm. Goes to the point I was making a few days ago, it’s good that it’s here now, but they’ve probably waited too long to get to this point, for some salvation has come too late and irreparable damage has been done in the case of a Brisbane strikers, hopefully that’s not the case for a Melb knights and they can turn it around. At the very least many clubs aren’t in as strong a position today as they have been previously

 

[BA81]

Apologies Victoria based forum members, but to tie it back to sokkah, despite Adelaide city still being a strong club, feels sort of like Adelaide united have had a similar effect on traditional clubs in Adelaide. Probably a lot to do with it being a smaller city

Well, IMHO Adelaide absolutely needs an A-League derby(as does Brisbane, though that’s a complex separate story) and it must be Adelaide City that rejoins ️'s top-flight in making that happen.

West Adelaide are too weak now, and the APL creating another ‘broadbased' side from scratch instead would solidify beyond all doubt whatsoever the racist/xenophobic exclusivism that underpins the league’s expansion-policy

 

[Hellenic_blue&white]

I think Rockdale illinden in Sydney could maybe do it too of the Sydney clubs which aren’t already in. As I’ve said before, too bad about Bonnyrigg white eagles, if this conversation was happening 10 years ago they’d probably also have been in the discussion, who knows maybe one day they turn it around, but they’re headed in the wrong direction atm. Goes to the point I was making a few days ago, it’s good that it’s here now, but they’ve probably waited too long to get to this point, for some salvation has come too late and irreparable damage has been done in the case of a Brisbane strikers, hopefully that’s not the case for a Melb knights and they can turn it around. At the very least many clubs aren’t in as strong a position today as they have been previously

I think you are right regarding some clubs unfortunately...but Melb knights issues are only off the park imo and a matter of getting the right people at the helm (aka preston) and they will be back to what we remember them, dont think its too late for them they will reentice crowds easily and success on the park can come for them easier than others.

 

[Hellenic_blue&white]

Well, IMHO Adelaide absolutely needs an A-League derby(as does Brisbane, though that’s a complex separate story) and it must be Adelaide City that rejoins ️'s top-flight in making that happen.

West Adelaide are too weak now, and the APL creating another ‘broadbased' side from scratch instead would solidify beyond all doubt whatsoever the racist/xenophobic exclusivism that underpins the league’s expansion-policy

100%......I think this is the most spot on comment ive read!

 

[Hellenic_blue&white]

I think Rockdale illinden in Sydney could maybe do it too of the Sydney clubs which aren’t already in.

if they are good.enough and can make the transition then no arguments from me! I think like bergers though they perhaps stood on the sidelines to see whats what first thinking they could qualify via the league and paid for it by missing out.

As I’ve said before, too bad about Bonnyrigg white eagles, if this conversation was happening 10 years ago they’d probably also have been in the discussion, who knows maybe one day they turn it around, but they’re headed in the wrong direction atm.

knowing very little about them ill defer to your knowledge.. if they were as big as has been touted though then gheir goal again should be to get back into contention especially of they have the monetary capabilities to back it up.

 

[Glenardo]

if they are good.enough and can make the transition then no arguments from me! I think like bergers though they perhaps stood on the sidelines to see whats what first thinking they could qualify via the league and paid for it by missing out.

knowing very little about them ill defer to your knowledge.. if they were as big as has been touted though then gheir goal again should be to get back into contention especially of they have the monetary capabilities to back it up.

I’d say up until 5-10 years ago they were probably on par with what Rockdale illinden currently are. Again, not clear first choices for Sydney clubs in a national second Div, the 4 that were in this year were probably the ones which would first come to mind in a historical context.

But Rockdale and Bonnyrigg are traditionally strong state league clubs with good history and decent supporter bases which might hypothetically be capable of making the jump. And the Macedonian and Serbian communities tend to come out for them. Bankstown makedonia are another one who 10-15 years back might have been part of the discussion, seems like they’re currently making moves to try and get back to where they were

Unfortunately the likes of St George Budapest and parramatta melita seem to have had their best days and I don’t think it’s likely they’ll be able to do a complete 180 at this point Ala George cross or green gully in Melbourne

 

[Hellenic_blue&white]

Green gully is a club that could only reach the threshold of state league NPL at best.. not a club that could ever take next steps! George cross will be an interesting test case, ambition again seems there but its a questuon mark if they can make it all work! Some clubs are best left in state league NPL's if we are being honest.

 

[Glenardo]

Green gully is a club that could only reach the threshold of state league NPL at best.. not a club that could ever take next steps! George cross will be an interesting test case, ambition again seems there but its a questuon mark if they can make it all work! Some clubs are best left in state league NPL's if we are being honest.

Agreed, as I say, Marconi, APIA, Sydney Olympic and Sydney united to me were probably the obvious choices from Sydney, the others may or may not be able, depends on ambition level etc for example I would have said the sharks natural level would have been a solid state league club as they’ve always been, but clearly they’re showing some form of ambition. In an organic pyramid of course all clubs would naturally find their level.

Also as a side note Sydney city Hakoah are still kicking about and have yo-yod between npl 1 and 2. They still have a lot of access to capital and are currently building an impressive looking Marconi style club in a very expensive part of the eastern suburbs, but clearly they seem content to be more so a social club for the Jewish community than to get back to the top of the soccer pyramid nowadays

 

[Glenardo]

knowing very little about them ill defer to your knowledge.. if they were as big as has been touted though then gheir goal again should be to get back into contention especially of they have the monetary capabilities to back it up.

Originally founded as “Avala sports
Club” named after a mountain in Serbia i believe. Later changed their name to Bonnyrigg white eagles I believe in the 90s around the time when a lot of those name changes took place. The club is also based around the corner from Marconi and Sydney united, all 3 are almost within walking distance each other. They also own their ground and have a Serbian social club attached

 

[HappyGuus]

Well, IMHO Adelaide absolutely needs an A-League derby

Respectfully disagree entirely. It just won't work in Adelaide and will only do more harm than good. The town really is as "united" as you can get. It might work elsewhere, like WSW vs SFC, but it would kill the uniform attention the Reds get.

It might work in Brisbane or Perth, I don't know their culture, but Adelaide just won't support another team enough to survive, and it would bring the Reds and the game down with it in its fragile state.

 

[Hellenic_blue&white]

Originally founded as “Avala sports
Club” named after a mountain in Serbia i believe. Later changed their name to Bonnyrigg white eagles I believe in the 90s around the time when a lot of those name changes took place. The club is also based around the corner from Marconi and Sydney united, all 3 are almost within walking distance each other. They also own their ground and have a Serbian social club attached

Have the makings of a successful club so skmething must be holding yhem back.. crowds ok equivalent to? Have they seen any success in NSW football though?

 

[southmelb]

I agree that Adelaide wont work which is a shame because they are going to fall well short of the success Adelaide City had in the same timeframe. United are a bit of a loser club to be honest.

 

[Glenardo]

Have the makings of a successful club so skmething must be holding yhem back.. crowds ok equivalent to? Have they seen any success in NSW football though?

Crowds were good when they were up the top of npl, again similar to a rockdale or something now. Maybe like a strong year for dandy thunder or something in Melb..unfortunately they just got relegated to npl 3, been a disaster ~5 years for the club