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Foreign v Local national team coaches/manager

NicCarBel

NicCarBel

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Decided to start a new thread on this - am taking a look at a range of national teams, and noting the Top 5 for both "Foreign" and "Local" and Bottom 3 overall for the following, and just looking to compare:
  • Australia
  • Germany
  • France
  • Spain
  • Netherlands
  • Hungary
  • Italy
  • England
  • Croatia
  • USA
  • Argentina
  • Brazil
  • Uruguay
  • Japan
I am not including Caretaker coaches (if that's what they've been specified as), unless they also went on to manage full time. For example, will include Les Scheinflug and Raul Blanco's caretaker periods, but obviously not Rob Baan, and Aurelio Vidmar's.

Also noting that not all nations above have had foreign coaches, so in those instances will be just Top 5 and bottom 3 (first example of that is Germany). In some cases (eg, France, and Spain) selection committees selected the team, with a coach appointed 'under watch' of the committee, with these managers deemed as "unofficial", or joint managers. I won't be counting them.

These are organised by national team (order above), just by Win ratio % from their main period in charge.

I'm going to be adding to these through the day - but just wanted to start with Australia, and Germany (side note - including Caretakers, they've only had 13 managers since the dawn of time. And, that caretaker was only in charge for 1 match.)

ManagerNational TeamNationalityTenureMatches playedWinsWin ratio %
Les ScheinflugAustraliaAustralia1981-1983, 1990, 1992, 1994211571.4
Terry VenablesAustraliaEngland1997-1998231565.2
Guus HiddinkAustraliaNetherlands2005-200613861.5
Raul BlancoAustraliaArgentina1996, 19987571.4
Frank FarinaAustraliaAustralia2000-2005583458.6
Graham ArnoldAustraliaAustralia2006-2007, 2018-2024864653.5
Joe VlatsisAustraliaHungary1967-1969231356.5
Pim VerbeekAustraliaNetherlands2008-2010331854.5
Tony PopovicAustraliaAustralia2024-present13861.5
Holger OsieckAustraliaGermany2010-2013442352.3
Ange PostecogluAustraliaAustralia2013-2017492244.9
Jozef VenglosAustraliaCzechoslovakia1967300
Rudi GutendorfAustraliaGermany1979-198118316.7
Brian GreenAustraliaEngland1975-19768225
Bert van MarwijkAustraliaNetherlands20187228.6
Jupp DerwallGermanyGermany1978-1983674465.67
Berti VogtsGermanyGermany1990-19981026664.71
Joachim LowGermanyGermany2006-202119812462.94
Helmut SchonGermanyGermany1964-19781398762.59
Sepp HerbergerGermanyGermany1936-19641629256.76
Erich RibbeckGermanyGermany1998-2000241041.67
Franz BeckenbauerGermanyGermany1984-1990663451.52
Hansi FlickGermanyGermany2021-2023251248.0
Jacques SantiniFranceFrance2002-2004282278.6
Didier DeschampsFranceFrance2012-current17010863.5
Roger LemerreFranceFrance1998-2002533464.2
Aime JacquetFranceFrance1994-1998533464.2
Laurent BlancFranceFrance2010-2012271659.3
Louis DugauguezFranceFrance1967-19689222.2
Henri GuerinFranceFrance1964-196615533.3
Henri MichelFranceFrance1984-1988361644.4
Stefan KovacsFranceRomania1973-197515640.0
Robert MorenoSpainSpain20199777.8
Luis de la FuenteSpainSpain2022-current (up to 5 Sep 2025)362877.8
Julen LopeteguiSpainSpain2016-2018201470.0
Luis AragonesSpainSpain2004-2008543870.4
Vincente del BosqueSpainSpain2008-20161148776.3
Luis EnriqueSpainSpain2018-2019, 2019-2022472655.3
Domingo BalmanyaSpainSpain1966-196811436.4
Jose VillalongaSpainSpain1962-196622940.1
Louis van GaalNetherlandsNetherlands2000-2001, 2012-2014, 2021-2022634063.5
Dick AdvocaatNetherlandsNetherlands1992-1994, 2002-2004, 2017623759.7
Marco van BastenNetherlandsNetherlands2004-2008523567.3
Bert van MarwijkNetherlandsNetherlands2008-2012523465.4
Rinus MichelsNetherlandsNetherlands1984, 1986-1988, 1990-1992533056.6
Ronald KoemanNetherlandsNetherlands2018-2020, 2023-current (11 June 2025)512854.9
Bob GlendenningNetherlandsEngland1923, 1925-1940873641.4
Guus HiddinkNetherlandsNetherlands1995-1998, 2014-2015482654.2
Elek SchwartzNetherlandsRomania1957-1964491938.8
Edgar ChadwickNetherlandsEngland1908-1913241458.3
Frantisek FadrhoncNetherlandsCzechoslovakia1970-1973201365
George KeblerNetherlandsGermany1966-1970281035.7
William TownleyNetherlandsEngland19248225
Denis NevilleNetherlandsEngland1964-19658225
George HardwickNetherlandsEngland19575120
Jaap van der LeckNetherlandsNetherlands1949-195429517.2
 
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We did this on Science of Football in about 2010.

We only got as far as Pim though. A mate of mine is a mate of Les Scheinflug's. When he read his impressive win/loss percentage, comparatively, he was really chuffed!

He and Raul B played against a lot of Oceanian opposition though.

Good thread, NCB.

I'm interested in reading the win/loss record of Socceroo coaches since Pim.
 
Decentric said:
Vincent del Bosque for Spain has an impressive record.
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I actually think he is king of NT gaffas or near enough to that.
The players coming through at his disposal between RM/Barca core near on every single position are some that became legends of the game from that tenure.
You see some other impressive win ratios but his over 114 with 87wins wow.
 
good ol Les, he learnt the arts being assistant to Rale for '74 campaign then to take coaching roles of our U17 then U20's before the NT.
His ratio is impressive but I always think, stats say one thing, who they played over the period tells the real background.
 
NicCarBel said:
didn't include them as they fell either outside of the 'Foreign' Top 5, or above the overall Bottom 3
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I might include them in for comparison actually, as I'm also having a look at some who have coached a combination of these nations (Hiddink, BVM to name a few)
 
BA81 said:
FWIW, at senior-level Fiji beat the Socceroos 1-0 in the 1st leg of their preliminary-round Oceania qualifiers for Italia '90; we turned it around in the 2nd, naturally.
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I think the most fair comparison would be limiting it to those in charge of qualifying through Asia. So Pim, Osiek, Ange, Arnold and Popa. Outside of this there are huge variables through the eras.
 
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