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A-League Mens 25/26 - Round 4

biggiemic said:
Its dissapointing that none of the "golden generation" are invovled these days
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Why?

They've been built up to be bigger and better than they were by a bigger then Aus football media, that had less insight into football. They were starstruck by the players of that era.
 
I've never understood why Perth Glory had bigger crowds in the NSL than the AL? It makes a lot of sense to Perth residents, but nobody else outside WA.
 
Saw the last 20 mins of the Melb derby.

Now I've watched the first 20 odd mins and after the City goal, I think MV have played some superb football. They just haven't scored.

First time I've seen Jordi Valadon hit his straps this season. Superb distribution!
 
Decentric said:
I've never understood why Perth Glory had bigger crowds in the NSL than the AL? It makes a lot of sense to Perth residents, but nobody else outside WA.
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A few factors in play here;

NSL era (1996-2002)
* During the NSL era both WA AFL sides were bad. Fremantle never made finals in this time, and the Eagles were solidly "mid-table"; might make finals but would be eliminated after 1 or at most 2 matches without ever looking like serious contenders. Unlike the AFL teams, you could go to a Glory match and be fairly confident of seeing a win. Suspect there were a few Glory hunters in the crowd during this period (pardon the pun).
* Glory were a bright, shiny new WA team. Hell, even Channel 7 here in Perth ran a half hour "Glory Days" TV program. Try to imagine that today!
* Glory had a fair amount of local talent (much like the Eagles in the 80's)
* The atmosphere in the shed was something that hadn't been encountered in WA sports before (at least not to that degree)
* Meaning no disrespect to the other NSL teams, but most of them were of a much lower standard than the Glory. IIRC, the Glory never had an NSL season with more losses than wins.
* The NSL was a larger league; 13-16 teams during the Glory's time.
* Kinda worth mentioning; Glory did get good crowds in the NSL, but they weren't that amazing. The averages over an entire season was probably only 10-11K. People tend to remember the large crowds (eg 45K in the 2000 Grand Final, or 18K against South Melbourne in a league match), but there were plenty of matches with crowds around the 7-8K mark, which seemed big compared to the crowds of most of the other NSL teams.

A-League era;
* The 18 month off-period between the NSL & A-League probably hurt the Glory more than other teams, as it killed the momentum they had from their NSL victories.
* When the A-League resumed Eagles were back to being strong (finalists in 2005, premiers in 2006)
* The Glory was no longer head-and-shoulders above 90% of the other teams in the league.
* The shed atmosphere had been diluted somewhat. Although the shed is open on 3 sides, with just a wall at the back, WA's Health Department bought in OH&S rules regarding numbers allowed in shed (and possibly a restriction on Under-18s in the shed?) despite the shed not being a crush risk. I'm sure it's just a co-incidence that Neale Fong, the person in charge of the Health Department also worked for the West Coast Eagles at the same time.
* The new A-League was a much smaller league. Only 7 teams in the league for the first 4 years.



If the Glory could go back to getting results like they did in the 2018/19 season (the only season their average crowd was > than the A-League average) for a sustained period of a few seasons, and also if the Eagles/Dockers were bad like... well, like they are ATM to be honest... you'd see the average crowds back up to the 13-14k mark.
 
petszk said:
A few factors in play here;

NSL era (1996-2002)
* During the NSL era both WA AFL sides were bad. Fremantle never made finals in this time, and the Eagles were solidly "mid-table"; might make finals but would be eliminated after 1 or at most 2 matches without ever looking like serious contenders. Unlike the AFL teams, you could go to a Glory match and be fairly confident of seeing a win. Suspect there were a few Glory hunters in the crowd during this period (pardon the pun).
* Glory were a bright, shiny new WA team. Hell, even Channel 7 here in Perth ran a half hour "Glory Days" TV program. Try to imagine that today!
* Glory had a fair amount of local talent (much like the Eagles in the 80's)
* The atmosphere in the shed was something that hadn't been encountered in WA sports before (at least not to that degree)
* Meaning no disrespect to the other NSL teams, but most of them were of a much lower standard than the Glory. IIRC, the Glory never had an NSL season with more losses than wins.
* The NSL was a larger league; 13-16 teams during the Glory's time.
* Kinda worth mentioning; Glory did get good crowds in the NSL, but they weren't that amazing. The averages over an entire season was probably only 10-11K. People tend to remember the large crowds (eg 45K in the 2000 Grand Final, or 18K against South Melbourne in a league match), but there were plenty of matches with crowds around the 7-8K mark, which seemed big compared to the crowds of most of the other NSL teams.

A-League era;
* The 18 month off-period between the NSL & A-League probably hurt the Glory more than other teams, as it killed the momentum they had from their NSL victories.
* When the A-League resumed Eagles were back to being strong (finalists in 2005, premiers in 2006)
* The Glory was no longer head-and-shoulders above 90% of the other teams in the league.
* The shed atmosphere had been diluted somewhat. Although the shed is open on 3 sides, with just a wall at the back, WA's Health Department bought in OH&S rules regarding numbers allowed in shed (and possibly a restriction on Under-18s in the shed?) despite the shed not being a crush risk. I'm sure it's just a co-incidence that Neale Fong, the person in charge of the Health Department also worked for the West Coast Eagles at the same time.
* The new A-League was a much smaller league. Only 7 teams in the league for the first 4 years.



If the Glory could go back to getting results like they did in the 2018/19 season (the only season their average crowd was > than the A-League average) for a sustained period of a few seasons, and also if the Eagles/Dockers were bad like... well, like they are ATM to be honest... you'd see the average crowds back up to the 13-14k mark.
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Ahhh Glory Days, what a time to be alive, mind boggling to think the club had its own show on Channel 7!

From memory, to start of with, ALL games were Sunday afternoon, then all the games were moved to Saturday Night.

I think having the games on the same day/time every fortnight also helped as it become a habit, rather than this mix and mash we have at the moment.

But the most crucial factor were ticket prices, think it was $4 for kids and $8 or $10 for adults.
 
biggiemic said:
But the most crucial factor were ticket prices, think it was $4 for kids and $8 or $10 for adults.
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Yep. I still haven't fully adjusted to the inflation we've suffered over the past 5+ years (in general, not specific to football), but it's now $35+ dollars for a ticket, which feels like a pisstake.
 
petszk said:
Yep. I still haven't fully adjusted to the inflation we've suffered over the past 5+ years (in general, not specific to football), but it's now $35+ dollars for a ticket, which feels like a pisstake.
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Ask people in the UK, and they will tell you that you don't know how lucky you are.
 
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petszk said:
A few factors in play here;

NSL era (1996-2002)
* During the NSL era both WA AFL sides were bad. Fremantle never made finals in this time, and the Eagles were solidly "mid-table"; might make finals but would be eliminated after 1 or at most 2 matches without ever looking like serious contenders. Unlike the AFL teams, you could go to a Glory match and be fairly confident of seeing a win. Suspect there were a few Glory hunters in the crowd during this period (pardon the pun).
* Glory were a bright, shiny new WA team. Hell, even Channel 7 here in Perth ran a half hour "Glory Days" TV program. Try to imagine that today!
* Glory had a fair amount of local talent (much like the Eagles in the 80's)
* The atmosphere in the shed was something that hadn't been encountered in WA sports before (at least not to that degree)
* Meaning no disrespect to the other NSL teams, but most of them were of a much lower standard than the Glory. IIRC, the Glory never had an NSL season with more losses than wins.
* The NSL was a larger league; 13-16 teams during the Glory's time.
* Kinda worth mentioning; Glory did get good crowds in the NSL, but they weren't that amazing. The averages over an entire season was probably only 10-11K. People tend to remember the large crowds (eg 45K in the 2000 Grand Final, or 18K against South Melbourne in a league match), but there were plenty of matches with crowds around the 7-8K mark, which seemed big compared to the crowds of most of the other NSL teams.

A-League era;
* The 18 month off-period between the NSL & A-League probably hurt the Glory more than other teams, as it killed the momentum they had from their NSL victories.
* When the A-League resumed Eagles were back to being strong (finalists in 2005, premiers in 2006)
* The Glory was no longer head-and-shoulders above 90% of the other teams in the league.
* The shed atmosphere had been diluted somewhat. Although the shed is open on 3 sides, with just a wall at the back, WA's Health Department bought in OH&S rules regarding numbers allowed in shed (and possibly a restriction on Under-18s in the shed?) despite the shed not being a crush risk. I'm sure it's just a co-incidence that Neale Fong, the person in charge of the Health Department also worked for the West Coast Eagles at the same time.
* The new A-League was a much smaller league. Only 7 teams in the league for the first 4 years.



If the Glory could go back to getting results like they did in the 2018/19 season (the only season their average crowd was > than the A-League average) for a sustained period of a few seasons, and also if the Eagles/Dockers were bad like... well, like they are ATM to be honest... you'd see the average crowds back up to the 13-14k mark.
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100 percent agree with all of this , the end of the NSL era and the A-League was the worst timing for Perth , Saying that I do Believe that our Owner during the NSL then into A League maybe underestimated the league and how strong the signings were going to be as he brought it Steve McMahon and he his Son , which were well the below the level. and it has never recovered and a lot of people are euro snobs as I call them here in W.A , and in my opinion W.A people are real ficial supporters and jump on and off the bandwagon quickly , the only team to never really have a drop in crowds even during the average times is the Perth Wildcats ( NBL ) , just my opinion
 
mikes27091 said:
100 percent agree with all of this , the end of the NSL era and the A-League was the worst timing for Perth , Saying that I do Believe that our Owner during the NSL then into A League maybe underestimated the league and how strong the signings were going to be as he brought it Steve McMahon and he his Son , which were well the below the level. and it has never recovered and a lot of people are euro snobs as I call them here in W.A , and in my opinion W.A people are real ficial supporters and jump on and off the bandwagon quickly , the only team to never really have a drop in crowds even during the average times is the Perth Wildcats ( NBL ) , just my opinion
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55k came to the grand final a few years back.

Support for the team is there, people just can’t afford it, and the product is not what is once was .

Wildcats are an outlier, they’ve made playoffs like 30 consecutive years.

But other than that, every local team has had a drop off. Perth Bears will be interesting
 
biggiemic said:
55k came to the grand final a few years back.

Support for the team is there, people just can’t afford it, and the product is not what is once was .

Wildcats are an outlier, they’ve made playoffs like 30 consecutive years.

But other than that, every local team has had a drop off. Perth Bears will be interesting
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Theatre goers.
 
petszk said:
A few factors in play here;

NSL era (1996-2002)
* During the NSL era both WA AFL sides were bad. Fremantle never made finals in this time, and the Eagles were solidly "mid-table"; might make finals but would be eliminated after 1 or at most 2 matches without ever looking like serious contenders. Unlike the AFL teams, you could go to a Glory match and be fairly confident of seeing a win. Suspect there were a few Glory hunters in the crowd during this period (pardon the pun).
* Glory were a bright, shiny new WA team. Hell, even Channel 7 here in Perth ran a half hour "Glory Days" TV program. Try to imagine that today!
* Glory had a fair amount of local talent (much like the Eagles in the 80's)
* The atmosphere in the shed was something that hadn't been encountered in WA sports before (at least not to that degree)
* Meaning no disrespect to the other NSL teams, but most of them were of a much lower standard than the Glory. IIRC, the Glory never had an NSL season with more losses than wins.
* The NSL was a larger league; 13-16 teams during the Glory's time.
* Kinda worth mentioning; Glory did get good crowds in the NSL, but they weren't that amazing. The averages over an entire season was probably only 10-11K. People tend to remember the large crowds (eg 45K in the 2000 Grand Final, or 18K against South Melbourne in a league match), but there were plenty of matches with crowds around the 7-8K mark, which seemed big compared to the crowds of most of the other NSL teams.

A-League era;
* The 18 month off-period between the NSL & A-League probably hurt the Glory more than other teams, as it killed the momentum they had from their NSL victories.
* When the A-League resumed Eagles were back to being strong (finalists in 2005, premiers in 2006)
* The Glory was no longer head-and-shoulders above 90% of the other teams in the league.
* The shed atmosphere had been diluted somewhat. Although the shed is open on 3 sides, with just a wall at the back, WA's Health Department bought in OH&S rules regarding numbers allowed in shed (and possibly a restriction on Under-18s in the shed?) despite the shed not being a crush risk. I'm sure it's just a co-incidence that Neale Fong, the person in charge of the Health Department also worked for the West Coast Eagles at the same time.
* The new A-League was a much smaller league. Only 7 teams in the league for the first 4 years.



If the Glory could go back to getting results like they did in the 2018/19 season (the only season their average crowd was > than the A-League average) for a sustained period of a few seasons, and also if the Eagles/Dockers were bad like... well, like they are ATM to be honest... you'd see the average crowds back up to the 13-14k mark.
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I still maintain the Wollongong Wolves killed the Glory's momentum in WA by winning that NSL Grand Final. :ROFLMAO:
 
Sutherlandbear said:
Minimum adult price is from £30. Some clubs use categories, others a flat price. Rangers and them charge each other £58. A standard adult ticket for Patrick thistle in the championship is £22.
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hahahha "and them" can't even bear to type the name... you make me laugh so hard sometimes... You realise 95% of the people around you at Sydney matches would be horrified at the hatred? hahahahah
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
hahahha "and them" can't even bear to type the name... you make me laugh so hard sometimes... You realise 95% of the people around you at Sydney matches would be horrified at the hatred? hahahahah
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hahaha - I wonder if he likes some Rod Stewart tunes lol......or maybe Sutho's beloved LFC great wife I'm sure she would :)
Please advise our Ranger mate.
 
LFC said:
hahaha - I wonder if he likes some Rod Stewart tunes lol......or maybe Sutho's beloved LFC great wife I'm sure she would :)
Please advise our Ranger mate.
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The funny thing is, is the mutants have turned on Sir Rod the Englishman. He votes Tory, loves the Royal family and i think he called them out on the Palestine shite. And of course this little beauty.

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