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patjennings said:
Giving a shitty Sherrin to a football loving PM or President just shows how naive we can be.
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Only chance it has of changing is the more politicians who actually are ⚽️ fans in their personal lives getting into Federal Parliament/a ruling Gov’t.
 
At last I have enough ironing to do to listen to the Stefan S Podcast!

Just had a quiet weekend, after heavy social activity, political activism and a heavy dose of live cricket. There has been so much football - Socceroos, Underage World Cup, Matildas, AL and Aus Champ football to watch.
 
As I'm listening to the Stefan S Podcast, he states that SFC or Melb Vic would be bailed out by other businesspeople if they became subject to the conditions of promo/releg. That big clubs don't disappear. The fans support keeps them alive. Businesspeople gain kudos from being associated with popular sports clubs, whereas cardboard manufacturers don't.

SS argues there are plenty of businesspeople ready to step in to gain kudos from club ownership if clubs go bankrupt in sport - which he contends is commonplace..

Grazor responds with Gold Coast United ( Palmer) and Northern Spirit disappearing. One could add Townsville too.

What about Western United? They seem to have just disappeared in no time. They finished 3rd last season, and, they've won a title.
 
patjennings said:
Great interview.

At around 13 mins he seems to not agree with a government imprimatur similar to the French. I take issue with. The PM is using Rugby Union with Fiji, Rugby League with PNG and Football with Indonesia. AFL has traditionally been used by AusTrade where other nations have no interest and is an obvious waste of resources. Investing in football is probably the best use of resources both locally and as a Foreign Affairs and Trade tool as it is a truly a global sport that can be used everywhere, even if at the edges you use other sports.
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Apologies, PJ.

Wrong post for you. It was lightheartedly posted for MONO!

Very sorry!
 
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Decentric said:
As I'm listening to the Stefan S Podcast, he states that SFC or Melb Vic would be bailed out by other businesspeople if they became subject to the conditions of promo/releg. That big clubs don't disappear. The fans support keeps them alive. Businesspeople gain kudos from being associated with popular sports clubs, whereas cardboard manufacturers don't.

SS argues there are plenty of businesspeople ready to step in to gain kudos from club ownership if clubs go bankrupt in sport - which he contends is commonplace..

Grazor responds with Gold Coast United ( Palmer) and Northern Spirit disappearing. One could add Townsville too.

What about Western United? They seem to have just disappeared in no time. They finished 3rd last season, and, they've won a title.
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GOld coast united and those other clubs still exist actually

Only club thay tried to drop and disappeared is fury

I Believe that if we had p and r, clubs are apparently even more likely to be rescued if they go bust. But even in our system, 4 out of 5 clubs which attempted to stay alive in the npl system succeeded in doing so
 
grazorblade said:
GOld coast united and those other clubs still exist actually

Only club thay tried to drop and disappeared is fury

I Believe that if we had p and r, clubs are apparently even more likely to be rescued if they go bust. But even in our system, 4 out of 5 clubs which attempted to stay alive in the npl system succeeded in doing so
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strictly speaking, are they the same club though? (GCU)
 
Decentric said:
We just need you to pull your head out of your botty about the inherent value of the NC - as a holistic paradigm, Mono!
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You can take your Stalinist "5 year plans" and statistical approach to the correct angles to receive the ball all you like. I love the game, for the "game" and all its wonderful "flavours" Have you watched ANY football in the top leagues around the world lately, it is a boring as batshit... A country like ours should (in my opinion) use ALL the "ingredients" at our disposal.

If you travel to the outskirts of every major Australian city you will see miles and miles of identical kit homes... sure they are built to a set of drawings, but architecture it aint.....
 
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Monoethnic Social Club said:
You can take your Stalinist "5 year plans" and statistical approach to the correct angles to receive the ball all you like. I love the game, for the "game" and all its wonderful "flavours" Have you watched ANY football in the top leagues around the world lately, it is a boring as batshit... A country like ours should (in my opinion) use ALL the "ingredients" at our disposal.

If you travel to the outskirts of every major Australian city you will see miles and miles of identical kit homes... sure they are built to a set of drawings, but architecture it aint.....
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Don’t watch much big, corporate soccer ( using Stefan S term), but there are pronounced differences between nations.

It is because of an NC that Aus punches above its weight.

You, the great man, Stef S, and I all agree about promo/releg though.

Your coaches at Hellas have shown South H which aspects of football practices need to improve. They’ve used practices you don’t like to do it!

You should thank them for it!

LOL!
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
This is where we fundamentally disagree...
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I'm not going to get sidetracked and derail the thread after having a bit of a laugh (my fault), but I have been influenced by French Football Fed, KNVB, Spanish football, Belgian football and German football. We in Aus are essentially doing what they do.

Given the calibre of current Aus youth coming through, in a country where football isn't the main sport, and previously Aus team units being greater than the sum of their parts from 2006 onwards, the NC has served us well. The notable exception - being Tony G's tenure with the Matildas.

Don't forget Aus failed to qualify for a WC for 32 years with an ad hoc system.
 
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What a superb podcast the Stefan S as guest was. Simon Kuper, who he co-wrote the Soccernomics book with, is a huge name in world football. He is definitely in the top tier of the English language reporters/journos.

Some other interesting points Stefan raised.

* The efficacy of the vested interests in football who don't stand to gain from promo/releg, even though it enhances the entire sport of any nation. He went right down to grassroots football having something to aspire to, with pathways being possible to playing at higher levels providing encouragement.

* He stated that those with money in business always claim they can't afford anything - like promo/releg. Is he referring to AL clubs?
 
Decentric said:
What a superb podcast the Stefan S as guest was. Simon Kuper, who he co-wrote the Soccernomics book with, is a huge name in world football. He is definitely in the top tier of the English language reporters/journos.

Some other interesting points Stefan raised.

* The efficacy of the vested interests in football who don't stand to gain from promo/releg, even though it enhances the entire sport of any nation. He went right down to grassroots football having something to aspire to, with pathways being possible to playing at higher levels providing encouragement.

* He stated that those with money in business always claim they can't afford anything - like promo/releg. Is he referring to AL clubs?
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yeah so at the moment owners aren't too thrilled with the amount they lose currently. In an open system they would be spending a lot more both on wages and on youth (e.g. a nyl/academies etc). So owners would be running things at an even higher deficit and it would be sustainable but definitely not in their interest!
 
Decentric said:
I'm not going to get sidetracked and derail the thread after having a bit of a laugh (my fault), but I have been influenced by French Football Fed, KNVB, Spanish football, Belgian football and German football. We in Aus are essentially doing what they do.

Given the calibre of current Aus youth coming through, in a country where football isn't the main sport, and previously Aus team units being greater than the sum of their parts from 2006 onwards, the NC has served us well. The notable exception - being Tony G's tenure with the Matildas.

Don't forget Aus failed to qualify for a WC for 32 years with an ad hoc system.
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Cape Verde and Ivory Coast have also qualified, are they punching above their weight using a one size fits all curriculum?

As for we in Australia "doing what they do" as an educator you would remember that the kid in class that always copied the "smart kid's" homework failed his/her end of year exams because they didnt learn the subject matter in any meaningful way..... :)
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Cape Verde and Ivory Coast have also qualified, are they punching above their weight using a one size fits all curriculum?

As for we in Australia "doing what they do" as an educator you would remember that the kid in class that always copied the "smart kid's" homework failed his/her end of year exams because they didnt learn the subject matter in any meaningful way..... :)
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There will be exceptions to the norm. Countries using hoc national systems have never won WCs.

All the 8 world powerhouses - as defined by the old FFA Tech Dept - have a national system. The 2 - 3 new powerhouses are no different.
 
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