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The Australian Championship 🇦🇺🏆

oranges said:
Haven't seen it mentioned but fixtures on the website confirm Moreton City playing at Perry Park, South Hobart at D'arcy Street, and NWS Spirit at Christie Park. Means most clubs are playing at their actual home grounds, shame there aren't many decent venues in Brisbane's north
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Kayo, aka Dolphin Oval? But Perry Park is a good choice for MCE.
 
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biggiemic said:
How many/which NSL clubs were actively wanting to be part of the Aleague initially and were rejected?
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Off the top of my head at various stages it was south Melbourne, Marconi and maybe Sydney Olympic. I think Melb knights had a joint bid being thrown around at one point in the beginning but then said they didn’t have the funds to continue going the way they were. I think at certain points APIA/raciti seem to have flirted with the idea of making a bid but it was never really serious. Wollongong have wanted to but weren’t in the financial position to initially (pretty sure the spot central coast got were initially “intended” for them). Not sure what happened with Brisbane strikers (I know they still exist in the npl system, but re an a league bid). People will correct me if I’m wrong, this is all just from memory
 
LFC said:
on contrary - oh not the Pro at park grounds you took that to the opposite scale that is a ridiculous retort.
Just saying for eg ala Roar playing in a stad that they hardly fill and they are not alone, Jets etc
The typical event derby games get filled Syd/Melb and may I say whilst Sutho bangs on bout avg crowds the rest of the crowd are just that event goers.

Ah Sutho bites like a rattler, ofcourse a Proper Pro league ala EPL you mention my fav needs broadcast backing, thats the point you didn't read, your league is battling for one against other far better funded codes And the comp isn't bringing in much newbies but the event followers.
Why I said the broadcast deal is THAT important for you.

Oh I luv the constant banter and defense of the trojan horse.
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Success is measured by eyes and money in pro football ownership. You need folk watching the games, both at the ground and in the living rooms. Pubs as well of course.
 
Glenardo said:
Off the top of my head at various stages it was south Melbourne, Marconi and maybe Sydney Olympic. I think Melb knights had a joint bid being thrown around at one point in the beginning but then said they didn’t have the funds to continue going the way they were. I think at certain points APIA/raciti seem to have flirted with the idea of making a bid but it was never really serious. Wollongong have wanted to but weren’t in the financial position to initially (pretty sure the spot central coast got were initially “intended” for them). Not sure what happened with Brisbane strikers (I know they still exist in the npl system, but re an a league bid). People will correct me if I’m wrong, this is all just from memory
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So only Souths and Marconi were the NSL clubs that were denied?
 
biggiemic said:
So only Souths and Marconi were the NSL clubs that were denied?
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Off the top of my head. I think Sydney Olympic might have bid for the west Sydney license too and got denied. Tbh imo they’re probably the only 2-3 of the traditional clubs with the resources that could have maybe done it. South Melb with their support and potential backers, Marconi with the backing of the broader club and assets the club owns. Sydney olympic probably in a less strong position now having been in the wilderness for 20 years. But they used to be one of the bigger potential drawers of crowds under the right circumstances in the early 00s
 
Sutherlandbear said:
Success is measured by eyes and money in pro football ownership. You need folk watching the games, both at the ground and in the living rooms. Pubs as well of course.
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Your just saying that because the Celts have more trophies... hahahahahahahahaha

Success is ONLY measured in silverware for fans.. all else is bollocks.
 
Glenardo said:
Off the top of my head. I think Sydney Olympic might have bid for the west Sydney license too and got denied. Tbh imo they’re probably the only 2-3 of the traditional clubs with the resources that could have maybe done it. South Melb with their support and potential backers, Marconi with the backing of the broader club and assets the club owns. Sydney olympic probably in a less strong position now having been in the wilderness for 20 years. But they used to be one of the bigger potential drawers of crowds under the right circumstances in the early 00s
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I think either Parramata or Spirit were also trying to get a license... its soo long ago now.
 
grazorblade said:
Id jump in but i have no idea what people are fighting about :D
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TLDR:
Aleague fans, some born after the NSL folded, trying to argue that the Australian Championship is a waste of time and money because ... well just because.... something effnikz, something crowds, something tv rights... nothing revolutionary just the same old protectionist mumbo jumbo.

there you go, wade in now :)
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
TLDR:
Aleague fans, some born after the NSL folded, trying to argue that the Australian Championship is a waste of time and money because ... well just because.... something effnikz, something crowds, something tv rights... nothing revolutionary just the same old protectionist mumbo jumbo.

there you go, wade in now :)
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"What is the point of a national second tier" is a deep existential rabbit hole i dont want to go to far down because eventually it leads you to the question "what is the point of football" and you suddenly realize you are spending way too much time caring about a bunch of sweaty blokes kicking an inflatable ball around
 
Ok so here are my hot takes, get them while they are spicy

1) Victory crowd averages are incredible, even when taking into account they had monopoly access to Melbourne
2) Franchises tend to decline over time, Adelaide United and SFC seem to be the only exceptions
3) Even after decline a lot of them have pretty impressive crowds given where we are at as a football nation
4) NSL crowd averages were actually fine, especially with a lower participation rate back then and less frequent roos games due to being in asia. Even some powerhouses have comparable crowd averages . Nothing wrong with 3-5k
5) The reality is, the top division in football just isn't a glamour product like other codes. Even the EPL barely beats the AFL in crowd averages
6) where football does better is having a better total community (add up all the crowds in Englands 14 divisions compared to AFL and the difference is more stark) and having the most mature international game
7) An NST has "a point" if it serves the football community and improves our international game
8) An NST serves the football community because, unlike the A league, it is a realistic target for all 2000 clubs if they are ambitious enough. Giving every club the goal of being the best community club in Australia is a goal and so meets the first criteria in point 7
9) An NST gives a modest boost to long term national team performance, about the same as a home and away national youth league, by giving an extra pathway and introducing players earlier (about 60-80 elo points). So it meets the 2nd criteria in point 7
10) it does not need to have any crowds whatsoever to meet criteria 8 and 9
11) Every club that would be able to play on the national stage if there were no minimum requirements, but is not allowed to is a wasted resource. Need to gather every club that can play and let them with no requirements on them whatsoever. Just let them play
12) If the NST is popular enough to get big enough crowds to compete with the A league that is a good problem to have

Not sure who I swung at, but enough spicy takes to make a vindaloo
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
TLDR:
Aleague fans, some born after the NSL folded, trying to argue that the Australian Championship is a waste of time and money because ... well just because.... something effnikz, something crowds, something tv rights... nothing revolutionary just the same old protectionist mumbo jumbo.

there you go, wade in now :)
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Who has said the Championship is a waste of time and money?
 
grazorblade said:
Ok so here are my hot takes, get them while they are spicy

1) Victory crowd averages are incredible, even when taking into account they had monopoly access to Melbourne
2) Franchises tend to decline over time, Adelaide United and SFC seem to be the only exceptions
3) Even after decline a lot of them have pretty impressive crowds given where we are at as a football nation
4) NSL crowd averages were actually fine, especially with a lower participation rate back then and less frequent roos games due to being in asia. Even some powerhouses have comparable crowd averages . Nothing wrong with 3-5k
5) The reality is, the top division in football just isn't a glamour product like other codes. Even the EPL barely beats the AFL in crowd averages
6) where football does better is having a better total community (add up all the crowds in Englands 14 divisions compared to AFL and the difference is more stark) and having the most mature international game
7) An NST has "a point" if it serves the football community and improves our international game
8) An NST serves the football community because, unlike the A league, it is a realistic target for all 2000 clubs if they are ambitious enough. Giving every club the goal of being the best community club in Australia is a goal and so meets the first criteria in point 7
9) An NST gives a modest boost to long term national team performance, about the same as a home and away national youth league, by giving an extra pathway and introducing players earlier (about 60-80 elo points). So it meets the 2nd criteria in point 7
10) it does not need to have any crowds whatsoever to meet criteria 8 and 9
11) Every club that would be able to play on the national stage if there were no minimum requirements, but is not allowed to is a wasted resource. Need to gather every club that can play and let them with no requirements on them whatsoever. Just let them play
12) If the NST is popular enough to get big enough crowds to compete with the A league that is a good problem to have

Not sure who I swung at, but enough spicy takes to make a vindaloo
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Somebody with common sense. Amazing.

These anti-A-league peanuts will never akncowledge anything decent about the A-league and will somehow spin a positive in to negative.
 
biggiemic said:
Somebody with common sense. Amazing.

These anti-A-league peanuts will never akncowledge anything decent about the A-league and will somehow spin a positive in to negative.
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thanks for the kind words, I'm not sure I'm swinging at the supporters of traditional clubs either which is why I'm confused what people were fighting about :D
 
grazorblade said:
Ok so here are my hot takes, get them while they are spicy

1) Victory crowd averages are incredible, even when taking into account they had monopoly access to Melbourne
2) Franchises tend to decline over time, Adelaide United and SFC seem to be the only exceptions
3) Even after decline a lot of them have pretty impressive crowds given where we are at as a football nation
4) NSL crowd averages were actually fine, especially with a lower participation rate back then and less frequent roos games due to being in asia. Even some powerhouses have comparable crowd averages . Nothing wrong with 3-5k
5) The reality is, the top division in football just isn't a glamour product like other codes. Even the EPL barely beats the AFL in crowd averages
6) where football does better is having a better total community (add up all the crowds in Englands 14 divisions compared to AFL and the difference is more stark) and having the most mature international game
7) An NST has "a point" if it serves the football community and improves our international game
8) An NST serves the football community because, unlike the A league, it is a realistic target for all 2000 clubs if they are ambitious enough. Giving every club the goal of being the best community club in Australia is a goal and so meets the first criteria in point 7
9) An NST gives a modest boost to long term national team performance, about the same as a home and away national youth league, by giving an extra pathway and introducing players earlier (about 60-80 elo points). So it meets the 2nd criteria in point 7
10) it does not need to have any crowds whatsoever to meet criteria 8 and 9
11) Every club that would be able to play on the national stage if there were no minimum requirements, but is not allowed to is a wasted resource. Need to gather every club that can play and let them with no requirements on them whatsoever. Just let them play
12) If the NST is popular enough to get big enough crowds to compete with the A league that is a good problem to have

Not sure who I swung at, but enough spicy takes to make a vindaloo
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On your point 5, about the EPL hardly beating the AFL for crowds. The EPL has twenty different teams playing in their OWN grounds, not 10 Melbourne teams sharing two massive grounds. Adelaide and Perth are the same. They also have as many home games (19) as the AFL teams have in an entire season.
 
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