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LFC said:
it is totally moot comparing Pro league crowds to NPL semi pro.
Moot.
One has/needs the metric revenue so so much more than the other talking crowds in the first place, for lets face it crowd wise NPL has lasted with bugger all crowds due to their far less running costs.
Its silly talk really.
AL and supporters are fixated on crowd figures for thats the model - semi pro are running from the fumes of a oily rag.
All these BIG AL avg figures are not doing much in the bigger picture of its existance (good on the avg crwd numbers its needed) but having to rely mostly on its broadcast $ and youth transfers abroad plain and simple.
The bigger dick comparo is pointless the way I see it.
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Do you think your beloved EPL would still flourish without the big TV deals ? We all know the answer.

Remember the A league is also shown live in the UK.
 
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biggiemic said:
When teams are consistantly doing garbage year in year out, for example Jets, Brisbane, West Sydney and Perth, there is almost no incentive to attend, especially in the back part of the season. It happens in AFL and NRL as well, West Coast Eagles average 50k when winning, drops to 33k when losing, look at North Melbourne, what do they get, 15k? There is no issue with the crowds we are getting at the moment. But the past 20 years have demonstrated we can get to very decent levels, levels the NSL, or any other prior comp had never achieved. Crowds Victory, East Sydney, Adelaide get year in year out are very good, each clubs seems to have a core support of at least 5k, they question is how do we bring back the fans from the early days, and then attract new fans.

City and Western United did not cannabilize Victory support, maybe a couple thousand? But overall the club and league fucked it self.

West Sydney and Aukland have demonstrated new clubs can be set up if done right. Bringing in NPL clubs i don't will make the league stronger. Even SM only averaged no more than 7k in its hey day. But if they can afford to survive on minimal attendances financially, let them in.
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No such club as “ East Sydney “, or even “ West Sydney” for that matter. You sound like a bitter Westie.
 
LFC said:
mate, we/here are not like 80% of the leagues let alone more or less - most of the leagues of your 80% the game is No1 we are not even 4th or maybe a massive distant 4th to 5th and the game has always been a orphan here.
Hence our massive struggles getting somewhere - well the APL that is being the great successful hope last 20+yrs.
Have said this before, the AL/APL and supporters are living the champayne dream on a beer budget - all the big fancy stadiums etc.
Not supporters fault mind you but no matter going on about the so called great BIG avg crowds some bang on about isn't helping the sustainability of the product.
Git it.
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So we supposed to have a fully professional top tier league playing at park grounds week in week out?
 
Sutherlandbear said:
No such club as “ East Sydney “, or even “ West Sydney” for that matter. You sound like a bitter Westie.
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Nah, I have no familiarity with the Sydney landscape, I just assumed Sydney FC was East Sydney, and Wanderers West Sydney, hence the rivarly.
 
biggiemic said:
So we supposed to have a fully professional top tier league playing at park grounds week in week out?
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Are you watching the match on the pitch or the pictures of the crowd? Who cares what is surrounding the pitch, as long as the clubs can charge admittance and make enough money to pay their players and run a full academy..... Getting to the EPL is great, hundreds of other countries around the world are striving for the same thing, Lowy thought he could take a few shortcuts and... here we are 20 years later, another franchise folding, another smaller tv deal, another salary cap reduction and somehow its considered a tragedy that 99% of Australian clubs want to start something new?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
And yet they still managed to have a full time league for almost a hundred years before televison was even invented... go figure.
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Not at the world wide level it is at now. It would go back to being almost 90% British players, and people would not be paying the eye watering prices to watch that. Changed days my friend. Armageddon will arrive shortly in English football.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
Not at the world wide level it is at now. It would go back to being almost 90% British players, and people would not be paying the eye watering prices to watch that. Changed days my friend. Armageddon will arrive shortly in English football.
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Yeah man, I just dont think it is such a bad thing tbh.... Once the genie popped out of the bottle its almost impossible to put it back in .... 24/7 global coverage is great and all but 20 years old driving Lambos and earning hundreds of thousands of pounds a week isnt exactly appealing anymore... and is slowly becoming less so to a world going through financial tightening . Maybe Armageddon IS coming... The "effnikz" clubs are ahead of the curve then.... lol
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Are you watching the match on the pitch or the pictures of the crowd? Who cares what is surrounding the pitch, as long as the clubs can charge admittance and make enough money to pay their players and run a full academy..... Getting to the EPL is great, hundreds of other countries around the world are striving for the same thing, Lowy thought he could take a few shortcuts and... here we are 20 years later, another franchise folding, another smaller tv deal, another salary cap reduction and somehow its considered a tragedy that 99% of Australian clubs want to start something new?
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Who cares? Another Smaller TV Deal? Well yeah, Macarthur and Western United prime example of what happens when nothing is surrounding the pitch.

It is tragic, these same clubs failed to get football on the national stage from the 70's to 2000's, whats gonna be different now?
 
Sutherlandbear said:
Of course it isn’t, the removal of the ethnic teams attests to that. There you go, that’s what you wanted to here.
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Its not what I "wanted to hear' but its pretty much bang on the truth... Somone mentions it being a miracle that Aleague clubs are getting 8k averages... and I agree... but it was even more of a mircale that NLS clubs were getting ANY crowds at all considering the hostility of anglo Australia to soccer at the time.... If you see it all in perspective the challenges of football cut-trough in this country have only morphed, they haven't disappeared. . A whole generation of fans was ostracised for what? a decade of larger crowds and making a WC almost by default every 4 years? IS THAT all? now what?
 
biggiemic said:
Who cares? Another Smaller TV Deal? Well yeah, Macarthur and Western United prime example of what happens when nothing is surrounding the pitch.

It is tragic, these same clubs failed to get football on the national stage from the 70's to 2000's, whats gonna be different now?
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What are you on about? On the one hand you say the NSL crowds were absolute garbage and you are not wrong, but the CLUBS all (well at least the real clubs) still exist .... surely THAT is more important to all the players and administrators in this country?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
What are you on about? On the one hand you say the NSL crowds were absolute garbage and you are not wrong, but the CLUBS all (well at least the real clubs) still exist .... surely THAT is more important to all the players and administrators in this country?
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Yeah, and they are perfectly fine where they are being Semi Pro.

If they have ambition and capabilities to operate at a full time professional level, then get them in the top tier.
 
biggiemic said:
One thing having ambition, another having the means to do so
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100% agreed. Lets see what happens this October then... If it all crumbles in heap then at least we can say they tried....

If, however, as I suspect, its is moderately successful then this can be used as a spring board to try something more adventurous next year.

The ONLY thing that kills ambition isn't lack of funds, its lack of ... well... trying something. anything.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
100% agreed. Lets see what happens this October then... If it all crumbles in heap then at least we can say they tried....

If, however, as I suspect, its is moderately successful then this can be used as a spring board to try something more adventurous next year.

The ONLY thing that kills ambition isn't lack of funds, its lack of ... well... trying something. anything.
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Says clubs like Marconi, APIA, Avondale, what is the end goal/desired result? To become a full time professional club? To be part of the top tier? To become a self sustainable club? Do these clubs actually want to be full time proffesional?
 
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