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biggiemic said:
In that case, what crowds are required for the clubs to be able to function? All you need is deep pockets like Avondale and your set.

Melbourne City for example have crowds of 5k, its the end of the world, but the owners can afford those crowds so whats the problem/difference?
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For Melbourne City? Nothing, they can function with 7 people in the stands ... but could WU? Or Macarthur for very much longer?

Dice it and slice it anyway you please, fact is that the Championship clubs DON'T need 5k crowds in order to continue to exist, if they DID they wouldn't have lasted, in some cases, a hundred odd years.... Its been modelled over and over again, it has been in place with the NPL for more than a decade at least.... this is the "beginning" of the journey and clubs will find their economic level when they find it... who cares really how many people turn up, as long as it is "enough"? What that "enough" number is would probably vary from club to club but can't imagine it being more than 1-2 thousand....

It may help if you didn't see this league as a financial opportunity but rather as a football one as you pretend to do with WU... Its effectively giving a framework to 8 (for now) and hopefully another 8 existing clubs to work on themselves and create a better environment for professionalism and player/fan/administrator growth.... I get why a foreign investor with skin in the rival APL may be actively trying to undermine it but why wouldn't anyone that wants footballs footprint in Australia to grow not wan't it?

Are you all THAT afraid of some poor, tired clubs that spent 20 years in obscurity stealing the limelight? Just let it happen, if you wanna watch a game or two cool, if not, best ignore it.
 
biggiemic said:
Mate, I got the figures directly from the clubs.

I didn't care if the WU had crowds of 10k, or 500, as long as the club was able to provide another opprtunity for 20 players to go pro.

It's sad people are happy we have lost a club, regardless if they should not have been granted a licence in the first place.

Amazing how the goal posts shift, A-league averages 8k, is a disaster, where in reality its top 30 world wide, and then clubs in the championship can get less than 1k, and suddenly crowds don't matter.
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You haven't lost a club... APL still owns the license... just waiting on another franchisee to come along.... dont be so melodramatic. Im sure another investor is just around the corner.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
For Melbourne City? Nothing, they can function with 7 people in the stands ... but could WU? Or Macarthur for very much longer?

Dice it and slice it anyway you please, fact is that the Championship clubs DON'T need 5k crowds in order to continue to exist, if they DID they wouldn't have lasted, in some cases, a hundred odd years.... Its been modelled over and over again, it has been in place with the NPL for more than a decade at least.... this is the "beginning" of the journey and clubs will find their economic level when they find it... who cares really how many people turn up, as long as it is "enough"? What that "enough" number is would probably vary from club to club but can't imagine it being more than 1-2 thousand....

It may help if you didn't see this league as a financial opportunity but rather as a football one as you pretend to do with WU... Its effectively giving a framework to 8 (for now) and hopefully another 8 existing clubs to work on themselves and create a better environment for professionalism and player/fan/administrator growth.... I get why a foreign investor with skin in the rival APL may be actively trying to undermine it but why wouldn't anyone that wants footballs footprint in Australia to grow not wan't it?

Are you all THAT afraid of some poor, tired clubs that spent 20 years in obscurity stealing the limelight? Just let it happen, if you wanna watch a game or two cool, if not, best ignore it.
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Yes, and whos fault is that? APL/Johnson/Gallop/Foxtel or whoever made the decision.

Anger should be directed at them, not at the fans who support there teams. I couldn't care less if Glory was in the A-League or Championship, would support them anywhere.
 
biggiemic said:
Yes, and whos fault is that? APL/Johnson/Gallop/Foxtel or whoever made the decision.

Anger should be directed at them, not at the fans who support there teams. I couldn't care less if Glory was in the A-League or Championship, would support them anywhere.
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Mate, seriously? What on earth makes you think I have any "anger" towards some poor schleb that actually supported WU?? I mean sure, some of their early fans held up a banner at a women's game "No License" or some such shit but Karma sorted out those poor retards.

Your support of Glory is exactly how I support my club... Whats the difference?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Mate, seriously? What on earth makes you think I have any "anger" towards some poor schleb that actually supported WU?? I mean sure, some of their early fans held up a banner at a women's game "No License" or some such shit but Karma sorted out those poor retards.

Your support of Glory is exactly how I support my club... Whats the difference?
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Difference is your mob calls us "plastic" fans, day in day out.
 
biggiemic said:
NSL was a closed shop league, why you blokes weren't loud back then?
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Cos I was a teenager and there was NO internet? lol Whats the difference mate, is THAT your problem? That was decades ago.... Don't you want ANYTHING to change, are you happy with the the way things are going? Your not another one of those happy clappers that thinks qualifying against Turkmenistan and Thailand for WCs every 4 years is the pinnacle of footballs ambitions... or that 10 Australian clubs is all that we are worth in a population approaching 30 million?

Whats your next pearl of wisdom let me guess, I only want pro/rel because my club isnt in the Aleague? Well ... I guess, there is a tiny element of truth to that, but it doesnt detract from the point that I would STILL want it for all clubs regardless if we were in or not... it is the only way forward.... If you fundamentally disagree its sort of pointless discussing it further.. The Australian Championship is simply not for you, good luck with Glory being in the Aleague, I hope you never have to "drop down" to the weeds.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Hey @HappyGuus in all sincerity mate I hope we one day get to the point where FOOTBALL is both the unifier and divider of all of our conversations.

I dream of logging on here one day and fielding dozens of barbs and insults against my beloved club.

Not because we are:

  • Founded by an amalgamation of park clubs founded by Greek migrants 70 years ago
  • Have an ethnically Greek background
  • Were/are competing in the State league, NSL, NPL, Club World Cup, Oceania Pro league or anywhere else.
But rather, because we are a rival successful (or unsuccessful depending on who you ask) Australian football club, competing on equal footing (regardless of league level) with all the other clubs in this wide brown land...

Football (at least for me) is ALL about the tribal belonging to "the club" first and foremost... Banter and attacks on that basis (just like everywhere else in the known footballing world) are what I long for... NOT this artificial division...
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I'm with ya, the club banter is normal in any sport. It's just we're trying to attract people to the Championship, and every second comment on their socials is along the lines of "screw the plastics". That's not going to work, especially with those who have less patience than I do. The Championship has nothing to do with A-League, and many of their fans want to see the tournament. Those comments are only going to turn them away before the first ball is kicked... I'm not following the socials now as an example, but will still support the comp 100%. It's bad business.
 
HappyGuus said:
I'm with ya, the club banter is normal in any sport. It's just we're trying to attract people to the Championship, and every second comment on their socials is along the lines of "screw the plastics". That's not going to work, especially with those who have less patience than I do. The Championship has nothing to do with A-League, and many of their fans want to see the tournament. Those comments are only going to turn them away before the first ball is kicked... I'm not following the socials now as an example, but will still support the comp 100%. It's bad business.
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Yeah fair enough mate, that is a sad byproduct of the past 2 decades of being ostracised. .. I guess some of them feel (and Im not saying I agree) that this Championship isnt FOR the fans of Aleague clubs, they already have their national competition, this is for the undesirables that FFA/APL/Lowy/Gallop deemed "old soccer" ... The ones who, for decades, where told "youve gotta have a team" despite having one. The ones who where told that their support for clubs they had grown up with, had played at, had volunteered at (effnik or otherwise) wasn't helping "football" in Australia and only the Aleague could do that.....

The rift has to heal someday, but calling a league plastic is no different to calling another NPL on planes in my eyes.
 
Kitwally said:
The OFC thingy is a “plastic” league also with no pro-rel but very, very happy to join that! (Cue abusive comments)
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100%, in fact it is probably even MORE plastic than the Aleague if thats possible....

At the end of the day, its another tournament, another platform for my club to improve itself and hopefully make money and thus put more back into football in Australia.

What you are a conveniently (or is it a little too disingenuous) failing to ask though is "why" is a club from the NPL forced to look outside Australia to play in a meaningful professional competition?
 
southmelb said:
Most of our clubs were in a battle to survive the cull with new franchises constantly being added.
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Exactly right, the franchises were already "winning" towards the final days of the NSL, both on and off the field. So WHY the final "ethnic cleansing"

We would have been phased out anyway (perhaps not us but other clubs) so why the drastic genocide? If it was "expanded" back then with Victory, Sydney, Roar and CCM coming in the "mainstream apologists" would have gotten their end result anyway... clubs were they didnt wave wog flag to hurt their poor eyes... with the added bonus that PERHAPS we would have had a stronger second division and maybe , just maybe, a viable pyramid.....

It would have given "old soccer" a fighting chance to improve or die... but then again how was old Lowy going to get his sweet sweet revenge?
 
biggiemic said:
Yep, and was the only succesful club on and off the field.
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Which is irrelevant to the point you were trying to make, Perth got in, Carlton in, Parramata in, Auckland in, Northern Spirit in, Adelaide United got in as at the end. No exclusion in place. If the wogs were trying to shut everyone out of the nsl they did a poor job of it.

I suspect most dont know what was happening at the time.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Yeah fair enough mate, that is a sad byproduct of the past 2 decades of being ostracised. .. I guess some of them feel (and Im not saying I agree) that this Championship isnt FOR the fans of Aleague clubs, they already have their national competition, this is for the undesirables that FFA/APL/Lowy/Gallop deemed "old soccer" ... The ones who, for decades, where told "youve gotta have a team" despite having one. The ones who where told that their support for clubs they had grown up with, had played at, had volunteered at (effnik or otherwise) wasn't helping "football" in Australia and only the Aleague could do that.....

The rift has to heal someday, but calling a league plastic is no different to calling another NPL on planes in my eyes.
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You're right, and I see it almost similar as when Soccer Australia/FFA ostracised those migrant clubs for decades, and it consequently didn't get many of those fans onboard for A-League. Although, Adelaide is a bit different. The Italians, Greeks, Croatians and others joined them without abandoning their local club, it just seems to work there, United they are. Maybe because they joined United during the NSL? Maybe because City and Hellas failed and United came to the rescue? Which is a bit different from fans of a successful club like South being booted? Who knows. I'm rambling now haha.
 
southmelb said:
Which is irrelevant to the point you were trying to make, Perth got in, Carlton in, Parramata in, Auckland in, Northern Spirit in, Adelaide United got in as at the end. No exclusion in place. If the wogs were trying to shut everyone out of the nsl they did a poor job of it.

I suspect most dont know what was happening at the time.
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They were letting these clubs in because the new clubs had $$$ and all the other clubs were struggling.
 
Question. If Preston and/or South move to A-League, does that set back a Championship league for many years to come? I know this has been brought up before, but it seems closer than ever to becoming reality.

26-27 has been mentioned as a joining date, just when a league format is needed for the Championship. Is it a legitimate worry for killing it off?
 
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