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How much money would it cost to start a football club at the bottom of the pyramid?

grazorblade

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Not thinking of starting a club, just curious how much it would cost.
 
grazorblade said:
Not thinking of starting a club, just curious how much it would cost.
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I believe it is something like $750 to register a senior team, plus obviously the costs to rent a pitch for match days, training/ match day costs for linemarking and refs and things liek kits and balls etc.... A few mates where looking onto it a while ago and worked out something like $500-600 each per year for a squad of 15 or so of us... never got off the ground though, this was 5-6 years ago... could be more now :(
 
Yes, depends where you want to go, bottom level of the pyramid is different everywhere.

For us (assuming NST happens and links to A-League, but everything else remains the same) the furthest/lowest back you can go is Victorian State League 5 (which would in that situation be the 10th tier).
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Ill be Kapo of our active ........ working on some banger chants now...

As long as our first manager isnt from Tasmania Im in :P
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Sorry Pasquali, forgot you were from the Apple isle ..... you can coach, Ill even make up a chant..... what rhymes with Pasquali ?

Hmmmmmm "Hits it on the volley" or "end of season trip to Bali" ?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
I believe it is something like $750 to register a senior team, plus obviously the costs to rent a pitch for match days, training/ match day costs for linemarking and refs and things liek kits and balls etc.... A few mates where looking onto it a while ago and worked out something like $500-600 each per year for a squad of 15 or so of us... never got off the ground though, this was 5-6 years ago... could be more now :(
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I wonder why there are so few amateur clubs then? Sure that's not loose change, but probably cheaper than a gym membership and a fun way to keep fit. The Uk has 40k clubs, most amateur!

Forza g&g fc!
 
grazorblade said:
I wonder why there are so few amateur clubs then? Sure that's not loose change, but probably cheaper than a gym membership and a fun way to keep fit. The Uk has 40k clubs, most amateur!

Forza g&g fc!
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At what level is considered amateur?

I mean.. Victoria and NorthNSW are the only states that go past 3 tiers connected via P/R (so that would mean roughly 35-48 clubs per state, not counting ACT, TAS and NT. We do have around 1650 clubs in Australia in total (but also remember that UK is almost essentially football only across the country).
 
NicCarBel said:
At what level is considered amateur?

I mean.. Victoria and NorthNSW are the only states that go past 3 tiers connected via P/R (so that would mean roughly 35-48 clubs per state, not counting ACT, TAS and NT. We do have around 1650 clubs in Australia in total (but also remember that UK is almost essentially football only across the country).
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Whats to stop use connecting lower than 3 tiers?
 
grazorblade said:
Whats to stop use connecting lower than 3 tiers?
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Politics I suppose. NSW at least should be more than that. Issue is, from experience, Sydney teams have this thing against travel, so this is why clubs outside Sydney never join the Football NSW structure. It happened with Griffith in the Youth League in the mid 2010's (hence why Riverina, and subsequently Yoogali joined Canberra's NPL), and also with Wagga directly after (who did the same thing).

In saying that, from my little database I'm making - and including Wollongong and Gosford's associations - Sydney has at least 400 clubs when I tried to manual count the other day. So NSW Metro should be at least as organised as Victoria. Heck, even Northern NSW has a 5 tier structure across a few of their regions.

So, my further point re: politics - I would say it's quite a lot of the Member Federation structure that's holding us back. There's no national or organised structure.
 
NicCarBel said:
Politics I suppose. NSW at least should be more than that. Issue is, from experience, Sydney teams have this thing against travel, so this is why clubs outside Sydney never join the Football NSW structure. It happened with Griffith in the Youth League in the mid 2010's (hence why Riverina, and subsequently Yoogali joined Canberra's NPL), and also with Wagga directly after (who did the same thing).

In saying that, from my little database I'm making - and including Wollongong and Gosford's associations - Sydney has at least 400 clubs when I tried to manual count the other day. So NSW Metro should be at least as organised as Victoria. Heck, even Northern NSW has a 5 tier structure across a few of their regions.

So, my further point re: politics - I would say it's quite a lot of the Member Federation structure that's holding us back. There's no national or organised structure.
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Need to make that pyramid go as deep as possible, even if you just have a bunch of sydney leagues
 
NicCarBel said:
At what level is considered amateur?

I mean.. Victoria and NorthNSW are the only states that go past 3 tiers connected via P/R (so that would mean roughly 35-48 clubs per state, not counting ACT, TAS and NT. We do have around 1650 clubs in Australia in total (but also remember that UK is almost essentially football only across the country).
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Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you are saying. Queensland has more than three tiers connected via P/R, it is seven (NPL plus FQPL1-6). In fact St George Willawong have been promoted to the NPL for 2025 after winning FQPL1 in 2024, and this was something like their 6th promotion in 8 seasons.
 
Keeper66 said:
Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you are saying. Queensland has more than three tiers connected via P/R, it is seven (NPL plus FQPL1-6). In fact St George Willawong have been promoted to the NPL for 2025 after winning FQPL1 in 2024, and this was something like their 6th promotion in 8 seasons.
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Ah yes, I did forget Queensland went that far down too. Although only in metro (alas, similar to Victoria).

If I have my bearings right - Down to QPL6 in Metro, QPL4 in South Coast, and QPL3 separately in Sunshine Coast and Darling Downs.
QPL Regional for everywhere outside of South East Queensland (which is technically seen as QPL3 by FQ thanks to the ‘Champions League’
 
NicCarBel said:
Ah yes, I did forget Queensland went that far down too. Although only in metro (alas, similar to Victoria).

If I have my bearings right - Down to QPL6 in Metro, QPL4 in South Coast, and QPL3 separately in Sunshine Coast and Darling Downs.
QPL Regional for everywhere outside of South East Queensland (which is technically seen as QPL3 by FQ thanks to the ‘Champions League’
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NPL, FQPL1 and FQPL2 cover south east Queensland, which is Metro, Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast and Darling Downs.
 
grazorblade said:
I wonder why there are so few amateur clubs then? Sure that's not loose change, but probably cheaper than a gym membership and a fun way to keep fit. The Uk has 40k clubs, most amateur!

Forza g&g fc!
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Because there are lots of other factors.

For example, it's not as easy as just setting up. We actually looked at this recently in an attempt to make a better club for young players. But to get approved there are lots of assessment criteria from the state body that also looks at other clubs in the areas, facilities etc (unless you play in another sanctioned league). So basically if you start a club in an area that already has a lot of clubs, unless you own a ground, and can show reason for why an new club is needed in that area, your chances of getting a license are slim.
 
Here is some criteria needed for example:

Club Overview:
□ Geographic area which you intend to represent.
□ Why the proposed Club wishes to be affiliated with FV.
□ History (if currently participating in an unaffiliated league).
This includes noting any previous affiliations or participation in other
competitions and declaration of any affiliation with private providers,
Academies, schools, Clubs or Associations in Australia or overseas.
□ Purpose
□ Proposed entity set up (Eg. Incorporated Association, Company Limited by Guarantee).
□ Reasons that a new club may be required

Club Name, Colours and Logo:
□ Proposed names (x3)
□ Proposed Club Colours
□ Proposed Logo (JPEG or PDF format)

FV will consider the following in assessing the need of a new Club within the proposed area:
• Ensure minimal impact of players moving from existing Clubs to new Clubs that may negatively impact established FV Affiliated Clubs.
• The need for a new Club in the area as indicated by the LGA.
• Current number of players and recent growth.
• Current number of Clubs and average player numbers.
• Current number of facilities and planned developments.
• Current population and projected growth.

The new Club name must not contain any part of the name of any Club in the same or immediately adjoining municipalities, except for the following traditional generic football names:
(a) United
(b) Rovers
(c) City
(d) Old
(e) Sporting
 
T_S_F said:
Here is some criteria needed for example:

Club Overview:
□ Geographic area which you intend to represent.
□ Why the proposed Club wishes to be affiliated with FV.
□ History (if currently participating in an unaffiliated league).
This includes noting any previous affiliations or participation in other
competitions and declaration of any affiliation with private providers,
Academies, schools, Clubs or Associations in Australia or overseas.
□ Purpose
□ Proposed entity set up (Eg. Incorporated Association, Company Limited by Guarantee).
□ Reasons that a new club may be required

Club Name, Colours and Logo:
□ Proposed names (x3)
□ Proposed Club Colours
□ Proposed Logo (JPEG or PDF format)

FV will consider the following in assessing the need of a new Club within the proposed area:
• Ensure minimal impact of players moving from existing Clubs to new Clubs that may negatively impact established FV Affiliated Clubs.
• The need for a new Club in the area as indicated by the LGA.
• Current number of players and recent growth.
• Current number of Clubs and average player numbers.
• Current number of facilities and planned developments.
• Current population and projected growth.

The new Club name must not contain any part of the name of any Club in the same or immediately adjoining municipalities, except for the following traditional generic football names:
(a) United
(b) Rovers
(c) City
(d) Old
(e) Sporting
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Interesting stuff! Is that information publically available?
 
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