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Heir to dukes throne

Who is the heir to dukes throne?

  • Yengi

    Votes: 4 10.8%

  • Toure

    Votes: 16 43.2%

  • Stama

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Taggart

    Votes: 1 2.7%

  • Maclaren

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Iredale

    Votes: 1 2.7%

  • Waddingham

    Votes: 9 24.3%

  • Jovanovic

    Votes: 2 5.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 4 10.8%
  • Total voters
    37
LFC said:
AI Overview


There is no direct modern-day equivalent to Tim Cahill, but players who share his dynamic, goal-scoring midfield ability and heading prowess from various positions include Christian Eriksen, Kevin De Bruyne, and Richarlison, who are all known for their powerful long shots, creativity, and ability to score important goals from deep or advanced positions.



Key characteristics of Tim Cahill to consider:
  • Goal-scoring Midfielder:
    Cahill was known for his powerful shots and his uncanny ability to score from midfield, especially using his head.

  • Dynamic Play:
    He was a versatile player who could operate in various midfield and attacking positions.


  • Header Specialist:
    He was particularly famous for his aerial ability and often scored crucial goals with his head, even from a deeper position.
Modern-Day Players who share some similarities:


  • Christian Eriksen:
    Known for his long-range goals and powerful shots from midfield, similar to Cahill.
  • Kevin De Bruyne:
    A creative and goal-scoring midfielder who also possesses a powerful long-range shot and can score headers, making him a good comparison.
  • Richarlison:
    A versatile player with a powerful shot and a knack for scoring important, sometimes spectacular, goals, particularly from the air.



    LOOK - how do you answer that kind of question when he is the classic "unique" Aussie player out there in that position - what modern day player can regularly score headers up front like him unless its Dan Burn or otherwise - he is 8th all time for headed goals in the premier league, well ahead of all other non strikers.
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Listen I love Timmy, but surely you are not comparing Timmy to de Bruyne or even Eriksen, they both are highly skilled players with great 1st touch & great vision.
 
ofcourse not - the heading quotes Ai hence my giggle.

Yes who would Moys or any other gaffa select from todays prospects, then again its already spoken, none have EPL gaffas or scouts eyes.
Ange may have given someone a leg up or recommendation Or his rhand man Jedi may speak to a club but nobody is knocking.
One thing for sure, similar to a McGuire, throw Timmy on sooner or later he will time a impact even today.
His game sense despite lacking the technical skill made up for that.
 
Robbos said:
Graz, don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the APL & how they are running football, it's extremely poor, bordering on total incompetence.
Look at the numbers the PL is getting on Channel 9, fully understand this is the most popular football competition in the world, but does also show the appetite for Football in this country & the APL has done next to nothing to tab in.
However, I have been following the game for 50 years & the football administration in this country, be it the SA, FFA, FA or APL, has been woeful & agenda driven.
This is why we are poor at producing great players, not just today but for the last 50 years & both Kewell & Dukes were outliers.

Love Timmy Cahill, Socceroo Legend, but do you think he'd play CAM role in the P/L today?
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Its impossible to tell how a player would do in different generations. If you grow up in a different era you are required to develop different skills, but he was able to be good enough to be elite for 6 years. Yes the game has changed but other countries have adapted and produce similar numbers of players at the elite level. We havent because we have less pathways than we used to.

We also had 20 years of continuous improvement in the nsl era due to underage teams going down to u6 as well as, colts, a nyl and reserves in the state league. The a league got rid of that but brought back academies and we see partial improvement.

Kewell and viduka werent the only outliers of that generation, there were multiple players who got 6 or more years of regular football in the big 5 which is an achievement no outfield player has achieved unless they were born 75-80
 
grazorblade said:
Its impossible to tell how a player would do in different generations. If you grow up in a different era you are required to develop different skills, but he was able to be good enough to be elite for 6 years. Yes the game has changed but other countries have adapted and produce similar numbers of players at the elite level. We havent because we have less pathways than we used to.

We also had 20 years of continuous improvement in the nsl era due to underage teams going down to u6 as well as, colts, a nyl and reserves in the state league. The a league got rid of that but brought back academies and we see partial improvement.

Kewell and viduka werent the only outliers of that generation, there were multiple players who got 6 or more years of regular football in the big 5 which is an achievement no outfield player has achieved unless they were born 75-80
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agreed, robbos always brings that question up but it is pretty moot.
Where would TC or anyone play from the past ? well how can you compare a 2005 car to a 2020 let alone '25.
 
Robbos said:
Cahill is a great goalscorer, but where would you play him?
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Yes. Despite the changes in football, the gaps in defences are still there. His poaching and position for a header is still better than any today. People tried to claim Merino as the best every midfield header in the EPL. He's 1,91cm. Cahill was much smaller.
 
Robbos said:
Cahill is a great goalscorer, but where would you play him?
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Sorry I've just reread the question with 'where?' Well I guess you'd have hi lingering behind the striker but going back deep like De Bruyne would? Of course not.
 
grazorblade said:
You dont think qualifying for world cups is important
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I always wonder what's the end goal of all this? This could be posed for anything in life. I find the ROI for some nations is so bad whereas Australia has just trotted along and we've come out reasonably well. I don't want to imagine the hairpulling had we put together and invested like Germany and Japan only to not get out of the group stage or not past the quarter finals. Mexico are football mad and work so hard but have a love affair with the RO16.

That's how it goes of course but all the work and investment in setting up for success can leave a massive pain. To be fair Germany's reforms got them the 2014 WC. Turkey 2002 were excellent. Morocco benefited from European academies last time. Got nothing to do with local production.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
I DO, but its what we do IN them that I think is more reflective of our standing in the world
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I think it reiterates what I wrote above. We get to some WC only to go in cautiously. I know it's about holding out for a result but it gets to the end of the match and you know they didn't give their best. 2018 was an example of that added with missed chances early against Peru.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
I DO, but its what we do IN them that I think is more reflective of our standing in the world
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I suppose in australia because we have no pyramid or nyl it feels like we are leaving so much of our potential in the shed

The way i think of it is, given how much we leave in the shed, im pretty proud of the players for how much they punch above their weight
 
JS96 said:
Sorry I've just reread the question with 'where?' Well I guess you'd have hi lingering behind the striker but going back deep like De Bruyne would? Of course not.
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Probably best suited as a box to box in a 3521 formation today
 
JS96 said:
I always wonder what's the end goal of all this? This could be posed for anything in life. I find the ROI for some nations is so bad whereas Australia has just trotted along and we've come out reasonably well. I don't want to imagine the hairpulling had we put together and invested like Germany and Japan only to not get out of the group stage or not past the quarter finals. Mexico are football mad and work so hard but have a love affair with the RO16.

That's how it goes of course but all the work and investment in setting up for success can leave a massive pain. To be fair Germany's reforms got them the 2014 WC. Turkey 2002 were excellent. Morocco benefited from European academies last time. Got nothing to do with local production.
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In england the end goal is to get people to have a less lonely, less sedentary life. Make as many play football as possible, whether male female, young old, future star or clumsy office worker. See this quote from the football foundation
"From Preston to Portsmouth and Teeside to Truro, our sports funding ensures over 15 million people in England get to play football regularly, contributing £15.9bn to society each year, including £3.2bn in total healthcare savings. Grassroots football funding also contributes to the prevention of 13,000 crimes a year, and to the prevention of 500,000 cases of disease."

I think it is a healthier goal than trying to win world cups, beat afl or get big crowds at the domestic league. Also, having that as your goal probably results in better crowds, bigger stars and more government funding

Incidentally I learnt the other day that the government here originally got interested in sport because they worried that Christianity made men too wimpy to fight in a war and sports, including football was seen as a corrective to that. Not sure if we could use that pitch today :D
 
grazorblade said:
In england the end goal is to get people to have a less lonely, less sedentary life. Make as many play football as possible, whether male female, young old, future star or clumsy office worker. See this quote from the football foundation
"From Preston to Portsmouth and Teeside to Truro, our sports funding ensures over 15 million people in England get to play football regularly, contributing £15.9bn to society each year, including £3.2bn in total healthcare savings. Grassroots football funding also contributes to the prevention of 13,000 crimes a year, and to the prevention of 500,000 cases of disease."

I think it is a healthier goal than trying to win world cups, beat afl or get big crowds at the domestic league. Also, having that as your goal probably results in better crowds, bigger stars and more government funding

Incidentally I learnt the other day that the government here originally got interested in sport because they worried that Christianity made men too wimpy to fight in a war and sports, including football was seen as a corrective to that. Not sure if we could use that pitch today :D
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Like the podcast from Japan, the benefits of participating go through society and that's worth so much more than a tournament trophy. Of course go in it to win but there are immense benefits in other aspects of life. Some of the executives see this but the most are only worried about their own bank account.
 
grazorblade said:
I like my goal keeper to play right cb :p
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Hahaha reminded me of my junior days, 15s, 16s cant remember now but we had an old ex Yugo coach, real hard arse disciplinarian, was screaming at us at half time for not breaking out of defensive position with the ball fast enough and said your playing like its a 5-5-1 ... a littel smart arse pipped up with something like "what about the keeper coach" or something along those lines... coach kicked a ball, hit Tommy flush in the mouth, blood everywhere, he missed the second half and went on to win 3 or 4 nil..... hahahaha 30 something years ago at least and I still laugh at the look on his face when the ball hit.... nowdays he'd be up on charges... back then we all just pissed ourselves laughing.
 
JS96 said:
Like the podcast from Japan, the benefits of participating go through society and that's worth so much more than a tournament trophy. Of course go in it to win but there are immense benefits in other aspects of life. Some of the executives see this but the most are only worried about their own bank account.
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Imagine we get a lot more government funding if our pitch is about helping people get fit and make friends
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Hahaha reminded me of my junior days, 15s, 16s cant remember now but we had an old ex Yugo coach, real hard arse disciplinarian, was screaming at us at half time for not breaking out of defensive position with the ball fast enough and said your playing like its a 5-5-1 ... a littel smart arse pipped up with something like "what about the keeper coach" or something along those lines... coach kicked a ball, hit Tommy flush in the mouth, blood everywhere, he missed the second half and went on to win 3 or 4 nil..... hahahaha 30 something years ago at least and I still laugh at the look on his face when the ball hit.... nowdays he'd be up on charges... back then we all just pissed ourselves laughing.
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I dont want to sound like that monty python yorkshire man skit, but

Luxury! Wouldve dreamed of being hit by a ball by the coach when I was that age. When we were 13 we had to play cricket against drunk men, because the alcohol made them less accurate and gave the kids a chance. If the ball beamed at your face, thats a chance to practice your hookshot!
 
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