Heir to dukes throne

[jas88]

Yer Kruse pre injuries was going very well, though in front of goal and that chance was like a rabbit in front of headlights - post injuries he was killing us in good position and his ball distribution wasn't finding the mark.

This was peak Kruse, still one of the best highlights video of an aussie I've ever seen.



Injuries just killed him.

 

[Robbos]

Like I said Kewell & Dukes were the outliers,
Though you don't like them, the likes of Mooy, Luongo, Kruse, Irvine, Metcalf, Leckie, Jedinak, Ryan, all did make it, they all played or still playing in the top 4 leagues in the world.

Not doubting that our competition not good enough, but you seem to think it was back then the NSL was, but my point back then, the top players in the PL were British, now dominated by others, especially those of Africian descent.
Man Utd Scholes, Rooney, Keane, Giggs, Beckam, Neville,
Chelsea, Terry, Ashley Cole, Lampard, Joe Cole
Liverpool Carragher, Gerrard, Sturidge

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Like I said Kewell & Dukes were the outliers,
Though you don't like them, the likes of Mooy, Luongo, Kruse, Irvine, Metcalf, Leckie, Jedinak, Ryan, all did make it, they all played or still playing in the top 4 leagues in the world.

Not doubting that our competition not good enough, but you seem to think it was back then the NSL was, but my point back then, the top players in the PL were British, now dominated by others, especially those of Africian descent.
Man Utd Scholes, Rooney, Keane, Giggs, Beckam, Neville,
Chelsea, Terry, Ashley Cole, Lampard, Joe Cole
Liverpool Carragher, Gerrard, Sturidge

Eto'o, Drogba, Boateng, Toure, Weah, Demba Ba, Hadji Djiouf, Adebayor, there were plenty of amazing African players in the league as well... its NOT a modern phenomenon...


As for Aussies (even if you dont consider them Aussies because some of them played for "effnikz" clubs) not many in the Prem since the KNVB Lowy revolution... wonder why?

Australia​

Mark Schwarzer is the only player from outside the United Kingdom to play over 500 Premier League matches

• Danny Allsopp – Manchester City – 2000–01
• John Aloisi – Coventry City – 1998–2001
• Con Blatsis – Derby County – 2000–01
• Mark Bosnich – Aston Villa, Manchester United, Chelsea – 1992–2000, 2001–02
• Vlado Bozinovski – Ipswich Town – 1992–93<a
• Cameron Burgess – Ipswich Town – 2024–25<a
• Jacob Burns – Leeds United – 2000–01, 2002–03
• Tim Cahill – Everton – 2004–12<a
• David Carney – Blackpool – 2010–11
• Chris Coyne – West Ham United – 1998–99
• Jason Davidson – West Bromwich Albion – 2014–15
• Ahmad Elrich – Fulham – 2005–06
• Brett Emerton – Blackburn Rovers – 2003–12
• Adam Federici – Reading, Bournemouth – 2006–07, 2012–13, 2015–17
• John Filan – Coventry City, Blackburn Rovers, Wigan Athletic – 1994–99, 2005–07
• Hayden Foxe – West Ham United, Portsmouth – 2000–02, 2003–04
• Tyrese Francois – Fulham – 2020–21, 2022–23
• Richard Garcia – West Ham United, Hull City – 2001–02, 2008–10
• Vince Grella – Blackburn Rovers – 2008–12
• Chris Herd – Aston Villa – 2010–14
• Brett Holman – Aston Villa – 2012–13
• Mile Jedinak – Crystal Palace – 2013–17
• Richard Johnson – Watford – 1999–2000
• Brad Jones – Middlesbrough, Liverpool – 2003–09, 2011–13, 2014–15
• Jason Kearton – Everton – 1992–93, 1994–95
• Harry Kewell – Leeds United, Liverpool – 1995–2008
• Neil Kilkenny – Birmingham City – 2005–06<a
• Stan Lazaridis – West Ham United, Birmingham City – 1995–99, 2002–06
• Massimo Luongo – Ipswich Town – 2024–25
• Jordan Lyden – Aston Villa – 2015–16
• Steve Mautone – West Ham United – 1996–97
• Scott McDonald – Southampton – 2001–02
• Jamie McMaster – Leeds United – 2002–03<a
• Craig Moore – Newcastle United – 2005–07
• Aaron Mooy – Huddersfield Town, Brighton & Hove Albion – 2017–20
• Kevin Muscat – Crystal Palace – 1997–98<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_Premier_League_players#cnote_b_ENG">[b ENG]</a>
• Lucas Neill – Blackburn Rovers, West Ham United, Everton – 2001–10
• Paul Okon – Middlesbrough, Leeds United – 2000–03
• Aiden O'Neill – Burnley – 2016–17
• Andy Petterson – Ipswich Town, Charlton Athletic – 1992–93, 1998–99
• Cameron Peupion – Brighton & Hove Albion – 2022–23
• Tony Popovic – Crystal Palace – 2004–05
• Adem Poric – Sheffield Wednesday – 1993–95, 1997–98<a
• Mathew Ryan – Brighton & Hove Albion, Arsenal – 2017–21
• Mark Schwarzer (514) – Middlesbrough, Fulham, Chelsea, Leicester City – 1996–97, 1998–2015
• Josip Skoko – Wigan Athletic – 2005–08
• Robbie Slater – Blackburn Rovers, West Ham United, Southampton – 1994–98<a
• Brad Smith – Liverpool, Bournemouth – 2013–14, 2015–17<a
• Harry Souttar – Leicester City – 2022–23<a
• Mile Sterjovski – Derby County – 2007–08
• Danny Tiatto – Manchester City – 2000–01, 2002–04
• Carl Veart – Crystal Palace – 1997–98
• Tony Vidmar – Middlesbrough – 2002–03
• Mark Viduka – Leeds United, Middlesbrough, Newcastle United – 2000–09
• Caleb Watts – Southampton – 2020–21
• Luke Wilkshire – Middlesbrough – 2001–03
• Ned Zelić – Queens Park Rangers – 1995–96

 

[Robbos]

Eto'o, Drogba, Boateng, Toure, Weah, Demba Ba, Hadji Djiouf, Adebayor, there were plenty of amazing African players in the league as well... its NOT a modern phenomenon...


As for Aussies (even if you dont consider them Aussies because some of them played for "effnikz" clubs) not many in the Prem since the KNVB Lowy revolution... wonder why?

Australia​

Mark Schwarzer is the only player from outside the United Kingdom to play over 500 Premier League matches

• Danny Allsopp – Manchester City – 2000–01
• John Aloisi – Coventry City – 1998–2001
• Con Blatsis – Derby County – 2000–01
• Mark Bosnich – Aston Villa, Manchester United, Chelsea – 1992–2000, 2001–02
• Vlado Bozinovski – Ipswich Town – 1992–93<a
• Cameron Burgess – Ipswich Town – 2024–25<a
• Jacob Burns – Leeds United – 2000–01, 2002–03
• Tim Cahill – Everton – 2004–12<a
• David Carney – Blackpool – 2010–11
• Chris Coyne – West Ham United – 1998–99
• Jason Davidson – West Bromwich Albion – 2014–15
• Ahmad Elrich – Fulham – 2005–06
• Brett Emerton – Blackburn Rovers – 2003–12
• Adam Federici – Reading, Bournemouth – 2006–07, 2012–13, 2015–17
• John Filan – Coventry City, Blackburn Rovers, Wigan Athletic – 1994–99, 2005–07
• Hayden Foxe – West Ham United, Portsmouth – 2000–02, 2003–04
• Tyrese Francois – Fulham – 2020–21, 2022–23
• Richard Garcia – West Ham United, Hull City – 2001–02, 2008–10
• Vince Grella – Blackburn Rovers – 2008–12
• Chris Herd – Aston Villa – 2010–14
• Brett Holman – Aston Villa – 2012–13
• Mile Jedinak – Crystal Palace – 2013–17
• Richard Johnson – Watford – 1999–2000
• Brad Jones – Middlesbrough, Liverpool – 2003–09, 2011–13, 2014–15
• Jason Kearton – Everton – 1992–93, 1994–95
• Harry Kewell – Leeds United, Liverpool – 1995–2008
• Neil Kilkenny – Birmingham City – 2005–06<a
• Stan Lazaridis – West Ham United, Birmingham City – 1995–99, 2002–06
• Massimo Luongo – Ipswich Town – 2024–25
• Jordan Lyden – Aston Villa – 2015–16
• Steve Mautone – West Ham United – 1996–97
• Scott McDonald – Southampton – 2001–02
• Jamie McMaster – Leeds United – 2002–03<a
• Craig Moore – Newcastle United – 2005–07
• Aaron Mooy – Huddersfield Town, Brighton & Hove Albion – 2017–20
• Kevin Muscat – Crystal Palace – 1997–98<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_Premier_League_players#cnote_b_ENG">[b ENG]</a>
• Lucas Neill – Blackburn Rovers, West Ham United, Everton – 2001–10
• Paul Okon – Middlesbrough, Leeds United – 2000–03
• Aiden O'Neill – Burnley – 2016–17
• Andy Petterson – Ipswich Town, Charlton Athletic – 1992–93, 1998–99
• Cameron Peupion – Brighton & Hove Albion – 2022–23
• Tony Popovic – Crystal Palace – 2004–05
• Adem Poric – Sheffield Wednesday – 1993–95, 1997–98<a
• Mathew Ryan – Brighton & Hove Albion, Arsenal – 2017–21
• Mark Schwarzer (514) – Middlesbrough, Fulham, Chelsea, Leicester City – 1996–97, 1998–2015
• Josip Skoko – Wigan Athletic – 2005–08
• Robbie Slater – Blackburn Rovers, West Ham United, Southampton – 1994–98<a
• Brad Smith – Liverpool, Bournemouth – 2013–14, 2015–17<a
• Harry Souttar – Leicester City – 2022–23<a
• Mile Sterjovski – Derby County – 2007–08
• Danny Tiatto – Manchester City – 2000–01, 2002–04
• Carl Veart – Crystal Palace – 1997–98
• Tony Vidmar – Middlesbrough – 2002–03
• Mark Viduka – Leeds United, Middlesbrough, Newcastle United – 2000–09
• Caleb Watts – Southampton – 2020–21
• Luke Wilkshire – Middlesbrough – 2001–03
• Ned Zelić – Queens Park Rangers – 1995–96

As for Aussies (even if you dont consider them Aussies because some of them played for "effnikz" clubs) not many in the Prem since the KNVB Lowy revolution... wonder why?

Go ahead tell me why? I'm all ears, why?

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

As for Aussies (even if you dont consider them Aussies because some of them played for "effnikz" clubs) not many in the Prem since the KNVB Lowy revolution... wonder why?

Go ahead tell me why? I'm all ears, why?

Because Lowy killed the player production nursery to create a TV show he could sell to Foxsports..... any other questions?

 

[Quicky]

now is this a young up coming bar ?!

Rio Ngumoha Smashes Liverpool Record With Historic Goal vs. Newcastle

The 16-year-old is now Liverpool’s youngest Premier League goalscorer in history.

www.si.com

Massive Hostile away game - 5min sub replacement and watch his composure and finish.

It's a high bar when you're getting compared to Liverpool players. Even if it is a 16yo.

 

[LFC]

It's a high bar when you're getting compared to Liverpool players. Even if it is a 16yo.

common sense prevails, very true Quicky the point was underneath due to Jnr development/academy, more competition and open system jewels prevail.
By no means do I expect we popping out numbers but a handful or so bright lights its a dream I guess.

Africans and other nationalities mentioned coming to the fore - we had ethic/aussies prevail prior, nothing new here, cycles will keep evolving.

 

[grazorblade]

This was peak Kruse, still one of the best highlights video of an aussie I've ever seen.



Injuries just killed him.

Partly mentality too probably. If you are mentally strong you rehab well from injury

 

[LFC]

Like I said Kewell & Dukes were the outliers,

again recycle repeat we all know this no need to repeat robbos.

Though you don't like them, the likes of Mooy, Luongo, Kruse, Irvine, Metcalf, Leckie, Jedinak, Ryan, all did make it, they all played or still playing in the top 4 leagues in the world.

I don't like "them" - nothing about like but how I rate some we all see skill/ability differently and not mentioning some is purely wasn't in my mind.
They all have/had their moments, GK is no disputing for we've hardly had someone displace Ryan and rightfully so, Mooy/Jedi are stalwarts I'd rate their careers better than the other 4 mentioned but good on them doing what they have achieved. Luongo wish he really made it but shit happens.

Not doubting that our competition not good enough, but you seem to think it was back then the NSL was, but my point back then, the top players in the PL were British, now dominated by others, especially those of Africian descent.
Man Utd Scholes, Rooney, Keane, Giggs, Beckam, Neville,
Chelsea, Terry, Ashley Cole, Lampard, Joe Cole
Liverpool Carragher, Gerrard, Sturidge

you see it your way - I think one big difference back in the NSL days imo was that you had to get out of here and put your life/soul on the line to get somewhere that taught you to survive, keep going or your tail is between your legs, suffer the hurt, just as why Africans are making the grade in modern days - go figure.

YEP our comp isn't good enough or long enough and has no risk factor.
The current status que proves that.
Forget NSL/APL/African decent British domination outlook.
Competition is competition whatever the decade/times, positives/negatives past to present counter balances, are you saying those British players of the time was a easier route/hole for aussies to make EPL ? or lets go back to Div1 days for lets face it only a handful of ours made it then therefore the competition was strong as well with hardly any africans even thought of.

Lets not forget the influx of Spanish/French/Dutch/Germans/some Italians and others who got to Div1/EPL and made massive careers pre and post Africans.
List of LFC imports and scatterings of other countries over the years some made it some not, alot of top british/welsh/scots/irish they battled against for placings - you think they had it easier because not many africans back then.

Players by country of birth - LFChistory - Stats galore for Liverpool FC! - LFChistory.net

Liverpool FC players grouped by country of birth

www.lfchistory.net

Furthermore the last Aussie who was a main EPL player was Tim bloody Cahill retired 2012.

The best Australian players in Premier League history

Selecting the Prem's outstanding Aussies from over the years

www.fourfourtwo.com

An interesting journos POV.

 

[grazorblade]

None of mooy jedi leckie or kruse managed more than 3 seasons of regular football in the big 5
Emerton, cahill, neill, grella, bresciano all managed at least 6 and were not named kewell or viduka. Different class for mine

As i said before, we have had few who were technically, athletically and mentally strong like those born 75-80

 

[Robbos]

Because Lowy killed the player production nursery to create a TV show he could sell to Foxsports..... any other questions?

yes we lost it for a little but that has been regained, we still managed to get to every WC since, so that is a win win.
That far more important that the odd Aussie (outside of Kewell & Dukes) playing in the lower rungs of the P/L, so we didn't lose too much
As I pointed out last week, the academies are going strong in the franchises now, much you your dismay.

OH going back to the Africans also playing in the GG era. I checked this week in the top 4 PL teams, their lineups of all 4 teams, only 5 British players, ummm i wonder why.

 

[grazorblade]

yes we lost it for a little but that has been regained, we still managed to get to every WC since, so that is a win win.
That far more important that the odd Aussie (outside of Kewell & Dukes) playing in the lower rungs of the P/L, so we didn't lose too much
As I pointed out last week, the academies are going strong in the franchises now, much you your dismay.

OH going back to the Africans also playing in the GG era. I checked this week in the top 4 PL teams, their lineups of all 4 teams, only 5 British players, ummm i wonder why.

Partly regained due to academies that go down to u13, perhaps the ntc

If academies went down to u6 and we had a nyl Id be curious what happens to player development (also had 14 australian teams in the top divisions like the nsl usual had)

 

[Robbos]

Partly regained due to academies that go down to u13, perhaps the ntc

If academies went down to u6 and we had a nyl Id be curious what happens to player development (also had 14 australian teams in the top divisions like the nsl usual had)

Graz, don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the APL & how they are running football, it's extremely poor, bordering on total incompetence.
Look at the numbers the PL is getting on Channel 9, fully understand this is the most popular football competition in the world, but does also show the appetite for Football in this country & the APL has done next to nothing to tab in.
However, I have been following the game for 50 years & the football administration in this country, be it the SA, FFA, FA or APL, has been woeful & agenda driven.
This is why we are poor at producing great players, not just today but for the last 50 years & both Kewell & Dukes were outliers.

Love Timmy Cahill, Socceroo Legend, but do you think he'd play CAM role in the P/L today?

 

[JS96]

Graz, don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the APL & how they are running football, it's extremely poor, bordering on total incompetence.
Look at the numbers the PL is getting on Channel 9, fully understand this is the most popular football competition in the world, but does also show the appetite for Football in this country & the APL has done next to nothing to tab in.
However, I have been following the game for 50 years & the football administration in this country, be it the SA, FFA, FA or APL, has been woeful & agenda driven.
This is why we are poor at producing great players, not just today but for the last 50 years & both Kewell & Dukes were outliers.

Love Timmy Cahill, Socceroo Legend, but do you think he'd play CAM role in the P/L today?

Different area that Cahill would less likely play as CAM today but he'd walk into a lot of sides given how rusty there are. I think a bunch of poor players are embellished by the modern EPL tag.

Wolves, Everton, West Ham, Burnley, Sunderland, Leeds, Brentford and even Brighton at times aren't that great and are had to watch.

Cahill was scoring regularly amongst a generation of rock solid defences.

 

[Robbos]

Different area that Cahill would less likely play as CAM today but he'd walk into a lot of sides given how rusty there are. I think a bunch of poor players are embellished by the modern EPL tag.

Wolves, Everton, West Ham, Burnley, Sunderland, Leeds, Brentford and even Brighton at times aren't that great and are had to watch.

Cahill was scoring regularly amongst a generation of rock solid defences.

Cahill is a great goalscorer, but where would you play him?

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

yes we lost it for a little but that has been regained, we still managed to get to every WC since, so that is a win win.
That far more important that the odd Aussie (outside of Kewell & Dukes) playing in the lower rungs of the P/L, so we didn't lose too much
As I pointed out last week, the academies are going strong in the franchises now, much you your dismay.

OH going back to the Africans also playing in the GG era. I checked this week in the top 4 PL teams, their lineups of all 4 teams, only 5 British players, ummm i wonder why.

If you think making a wc and finishing 11th is important... fair enough then. Sorry I don't....

 

[LFC]

AI Overview


There is no direct modern-day equivalent to Tim Cahill, but players who share his dynamic, goal-scoring midfield ability and heading prowess from various positions include Christian Eriksen, Kevin De Bruyne, and Richarlison, who are all known for their powerful long shots, creativity, and ability to score important goals from deep or advanced positions.



Key characteristics of Tim Cahill to consider:

• Goal-scoring Midfielder:
  Cahill was known for his powerful shots and his uncanny ability to score from midfield, especially using his head.
  

• Dynamic Play:
  He was a versatile player who could operate in various midfield and attacking positions.
  
  
• Header Specialist:
  He was particularly famous for his aerial ability and often scored crucial goals with his head, even from a deeper position.
  

Modern-Day Players who share some similarities:

• Christian Eriksen:
  Known for his long-range goals and powerful shots from midfield, similar to Cahill.
• Kevin De Bruyne:
  A creative and goal-scoring midfielder who also possesses a powerful long-range shot and can score headers, making him a good comparison.
• Richarlison:
  A versatile player with a powerful shot and a knack for scoring important, sometimes spectacular, goals, particularly from the air.
  
  
  
  LOOK - how do you answer that kind of question when he is the classic "unique" Aussie player out there in that position - what modern day player can regularly score headers up front like him unless its Dan Burn or otherwise - he is 8th all time for headed goals in the premier league, well ahead of all other non strikers.

 

[LFC]

Cahill is a great goalscorer, but where would you play him?

can you name a player or 2 of ours today who can play for - say the Toffees where he made his name ?

 

[Robbos]

If you think making a wc and finishing 11th is important... fair enough then. Sorry I don't....

You don't think it was important that Australia won as many games in this world cup, than they did in the previous 4 WCs, got more pts than any previous WCs. You think it's more important that these players were in a P/L squad once, ummmm.

• Danny Allsopp – Manchester City – 2000–01
• Con Blatsis – Derby County – 2000–01
• Vlado Bozinovski – Ipswich Town – 1992–93<a
• Jacob Burns – Leeds United – 2000–01, 2002–03

 

[Robbos]

can you name a player or 2 of ours today who can play for - say the Toffees where he made his name ?

Play there today or in 2005?