Heir to dukes throne

[Robbos]

If you take a generation to be a 6 year period what is the best team you can come up with?

75-80 is the golden generation and is clearly miles ahead of the next best

--------------------------Federici------------------------
-Emerton-------Neill--Moore--------Chipperfield-
---------------------Grella---Culina--------------------------
--------------------------Cahill-----------------------------------
--Bresciano---------Viduka----------------kewell------

69-74

-----------------------Schwarzer------------------------
Muscat-----popavic--Vidmar-------Lazaridis-
-----------------Okon--Skoko-----------------------------
-------------------------Zelic-----------------------------------
--Foster-----------Trimboli---------Tiatto/Zdrillic-

81-86

-------------------------Jones------------------------
-Wilkshire---Milligan-Wilkinson---Carney
------------------Jedinak-----Valeri---------------
--------------------------Holman--------------------
-Garcia--------------Kennedy------Mcdoland-

87-92

------------------------Ryan---------------------------
--R Mcgowan-Sainsbury-Spiranovic-D Mcgowan
----------------------Mooy-luongo--------------------------------
----------------------------Rogic-------------------------------------
-------leckie------------Juric-----------Kruse-----------------

93-98

---------------------------Izzo--------------------------
-Strain-----Souttar--Burgess----Behich--
---------------Irvine----O'Niell--------------------
-----------------------Mcgree-----------------------
-Boyle-------------Duke--------Ikon-----------


almost an entire division between the 75-80 and the next best which all look similar. 93-98 probably the weakest when you consider we had to nationalise players. First generation to not benefit from AIS or a NYL so makes sense there is a drop. 99-2004 will probably be our second strongest depending on how we go with nabbing dual nationals

Now take out Viduka & Kewell, as I said they are so far above every player listed it's not funny, skill wise.

87-92 that much worse then the GG, especially if you went Rhyan Grant & & jason Davidson ahead of McGowan brothers.

 

[grazorblade]

Now take out Viduka & Kewell, as I said they are so far above every player listed it's not funny, skill wise.

87-92 that much worse then the GG, especially if you went Rhyan Grant & & jason Davidson ahead of McGowan brothers.

If you take out Viduka and Kewell you still have sterjovski and aloisi, insane generation! I probably should've put jason davidson ahead of D Mcgowan

 

[Robbos]

If you take out Viduka and Kewell you still have sterjovski and aloisi, insane generation! I probably should've put jason davidson ahead of D Mcgowan

They are no doubt the best & hence called the GG. This is not in doubt & not what I'm arguing about. I'd kill for a John Alosi now in the Aussie team & Mile was a damn good player. It was an insane generation.

However, my point remains, it was not all of a sudden, we stopped producing decent footballers, we still do. Just haven't produced players of Kewell & Dukes level.

 

[LFC]

We’re producing average well to do players nothing more nothing less.
Any exception fades pretty quick don’t carry on to the heights we’d wish for…….
We’re a good robust methodical trained unit.
Hardly any decent one touch football - a dribbler at speed and still waiting on a couple of genuine regular scorers.
Says it all when Souttar and Irvine are amongst leading goal scorers.
There is NO heir to the throne whatsoever I’m saddened to say none !

So glad we had a GG, impressive for a pack of nobodies from back water npl land origins.

 

[Robbos]

We’re producing average well to do players nothing more nothing less.
Any exception fades pretty quick don’t carry on to the heights we’d wish for…….
We’re a good robust methodical trained unit.
Hardly any decent one touch football - a dribbler at speed and still waiting on a couple of genuine regular scorers.
Says it all when Souttar and Irvine are amongst leading goal scorers.
There is NO heir to the throne whatsoever I’m saddened to say none !

So glad we had a GG, impressive for a pack of nobodies from back water npl land origins.

So outside kewell & Dukes, who were the great one touch players in the GG & players able to dribble at speed?
Cahill a midfielder was the top goal scorer.

 

[grazorblade]

So outside kewell & Dukes, who were the great one touch players in the GG & players able to dribble at speed?
Cahill a midfielder was the top goal scorer.

They had different strengths. Culina and grella had a good first touch and good handling speed. Emerton and chipperfield were good at dribbling at speed. Bresciano and niell had great first touch and vision

 

[Robbos]

They had different strengths. Culina and grella had a good first touch and good handling speed. Emerton and chipperfield were good at dribbling at speed. Bresciano and niell had great first touch and vision

Yes they did, so too did Sainsbury, great vision & first touch, in Luongo, Mooy & Rogic all had great 1st touches & Rogic had great dribbling skills, Leckie dribbling at pace & Kruse before ACL was very underrated, great at creating space in between the lines.

All very comparable to GG, maybe not as good but comparable, but none your list or mine anywhere near Kewell & Dukes.

 

[grazorblade]

Yes they did, so too did Sainsbury, great vision & first touch, in Luongo, Mooy & Rogic all had great 1st touches & Rogic had great dribbling skills, Leckie dribbling at pace & Kruse before ACL was very underrated, great at creating space in between the lines.

All very comparable to GG, maybe not as good but comparable, but none your list or mine anywhere near Kewell & Dukes.

Sainsburys best season in europe was 24 games for a midtable eredivisie

Bresc, grella, emerton, neill all managed 6 seasons of regular football in the big 5 which is a feat no outfield player has managed before or since the gg aka those born 1975-80

Its not just the technique, it is combination of the technique, the game smarts, mentality and athleticism rather than having technically good players who are athletically poor, athletically good players who are technically poor or talented players who are mentally weak

 

[LFC]

Graz covers your question to me perfectly better than me his last couple of posts and I agree following the GG as you mention Mooy Rogic but not Sains as much I liked his back play for we needed someone through those tuff times.
Not a fan of Kruse and I bundle him with Leckie - both lots of huff and puff lacking end product or over doing it losing possession way too often.
Ol Laza was more effective from LB.
It’s not just about the touch but game smart as mentioned.
Again the topic is an heir of you know who ?
We don’t have nor players with all the advancement of the modern game and what you marvel at the young ones at sfc going to have career heights what we saw.
Happy to eat my words and I dare them to prove me wrong ! let’s talk in 5yrs or so.

 

[Barca4life]

I think we forget that the 2015 asian cup generation was actually a good one for us, we had players (not many) but in top 5 leagues and some at big clubs like Rogic at Celtic, Kruse at Leverkusen and even Ryan at Valencia and later moved to the premier league with Brighton.
Luongo won the MVP and was linked to bigger clubs and bigger leagues after that, Jedinak wasn’t the most talented player but was a captain at a premier league club.

I think we lacked a striker and maybe a top class centre back.

Sainsbury had potential but suffered injuries plus he made that weird move to China when we was about to get better, Cahill was still carrying us and was hard to drop but Tomi Juric, Taggart and maybe MacLaren didn’t quite kick on but had promise.
Remember Eli Babalj when he made that move to AZ Alkmaar? I think he was another one that suffered from injuries.

But it wasn’t a bad generation as it was made out to be.

 

[grazorblade]

Graz covers your question to me perfectly better than me his last couple of posts and I agree following the GG as you mention Mooy Rogic but not Sains as much I liked his back play for we needed someone through those tuff times.
Not a fan of Kruse and I bundle him with Leckie - both lots of huff and puff lacking end product or over doing it losing possession way too often.
Ol Laza was more effective from LB.
It’s not just about the touch but game smart as mentioned.
Again the topic is an heir of you know who ?
We don’t have nor players with all the advancement of the modern game and what you marvel at the young ones at sfc going to have career heights what we saw.
Happy to eat my words and I dare them to prove me wrong ! let’s talk in 5yrs or so.

Kruse was a rare player outside the golden gen who was technically and physically good. Mooy and rogic were technically good and physically poor, leckie and jedi physically good and technically poor. So before he did his acl kruse looked on track to be gg level. But since he never got back to his best and was barely a buli 2 player after, he was probably mentally weak

Thats what made the gg special - technically, physically and mentally strong. Circati and bos bouncing back from injuries and coming back to a high level bodes well. As for other players like irankunda, we just dont know how they are mentally until a few years from now

 

[grazorblade]

I think we forget that the 2015 asian cup generation was actually a good one for us, we had players (not many) but in top 5 leagues and some at big clubs like Rogic at Celtic, Kruse at Leverkusen and even Ryan at Valencia and later moved to the premier league with Brighton.
Luongo won the MVP and was linked to bigger clubs and bigger leagues after that, Jedinak wasn’t the most talented player but was a captain at a premier league club.

I think we lacked a striker and maybe a top class centre back.

Sainsbury had potential but suffered injuries plus he made that weird move to China when we was about to get better, Cahill was still carrying us and was hard to drop but Tomi Juric, Taggart and maybe MacLaren didn’t quite kick on but had promise.
Remember Eli Babalj when he made that move to AZ Alkmaar? I think he was another one that suffered from injuries.

But it wasn’t a bad generation as it was made out to be.

When i make the best xi from each generation the 87-92 generation looks ok. Huge drop from the gg, but not any more so than any of the other generations. Really only the 93-98 generation stands out as poor and probably feeling the effect of cutting both the nyl and ais

 

[JS96]

I think we forget that the 2015 asian cup generation was actually a good one for us, we had players (not many) but in top 5 leagues and some at big clubs like Rogic at Celtic, Kruse at Leverkusen and even Ryan at Valencia and later moved to the premier league with Brighton.
Luongo won the MVP and was linked to bigger clubs and bigger leagues after that, Jedinak wasn’t the most talented player but was a captain at a premier league club.

I think we lacked a striker and maybe a top class centre back.

Sainsbury had potential but suffered injuries plus he made that weird move to China when we was about to get better, Cahill was still carrying us and was hard to drop but Tomi Juric, Taggart and maybe MacLaren didn’t quite kick on but had promise.
Remember Eli Babalj when he made that move to AZ Alkmaar? I think he was another one that suffered from injuries.

But it wasn’t a bad generation as it was made out to be.

Statistically Juric delivered but his club tag didn't elevate him higher. Felt a near sliding door moment was the outside boot from Leckie to Juric against Oman. Juric scored a few in the 2018 campaign but I'd have to look back and see how the teams changed.

He did alright but we need to remember there was a time with Nabbout up top. We also wasted time by putting Leckie there on occasion.

 

[JS96]

Got to remember how badly Kruse got hurt a few times. He was actually being used at Leverkusen amongst all those stars and scored twice at Mainz away. Again, he was persisted with for the national team into double figure consecutive appearances which didn't give him the wake up call needed. I felt Thailand away was when the cracks started under Ange and we scraped by with shakiness and lifted reborn in the playoffs, particularly Honduras.

 

[LFC]

Kruse was a rare player outside the golden gen who was technically and physically good. Mooy and rogic were technically good and physically poor, leckie and jedi physically good and technically poor. So before he did his acl kruse looked on track to be gg level. But since he never got back to his best and was barely a buli 2 player after, he was probably mentally weak

Thats what made the gg special - technically, physically and mentally strong. Circati and bos bouncing back from injuries and coming back to a high level bodes well. As for other players like irankunda, we just dont know how they are mentally until a few years from now

Yer Kruse pre injuries was going very well, though in front of goal and that chance was like a rabbit in front of headlights - post injuries he was killing us in good position and his ball distribution wasn't finding the mark.
I forgot about Jedi, rate him being the brilliant worker and cover defender on top of his pen taking.
Talking of the current correct Circati is class and stand out of our current players and huge hope re Bos ! for both of them hoping they kick on.

Yes Barca '15 isn't forgotton agreed - Luongo - as you quoted below :
Luongo won the MVP and was linked to bigger clubs and bigger leagues after that.

Good player but like many since the early days could have should have, a crying shame has/had the nouse and game.

All my comments are just black and white fellas what I see/saw on the box not reviewing stats or games.

 

[JS96]

Luongo and the bloody QPR move. The most anti football side at the time. Could've played anywhere else.

 

[Barca4life]

Luongo and the bloody QPR move. The most anti football side at the time. Could've played anywhere else.

Imagine if he joined Sevilla instead lol

 

[LFC]

now is this a young up coming bar ?!

Rio Ngumoha Smashes Liverpool Record With Historic Goal vs. Newcastle

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Massive Hostile away game - 5min sub replacement and watch his composure and finish.

 

[Robbos]

now is this a young up coming bar ?!

Rio Ngumoha Smashes Liverpool Record With Historic Goal vs. Newcastle

The 16-year-old is now Liverpool’s youngest Premier League goalscorer in history.

www.si.com

Massive Hostile away game - 5min sub replacement and watch his composure and finish.

Thanks for proving me right, when has Australia produced a player of this level apart from Kewell & Dukes.
Look at all these players coming thru in England, Spain, Italy, France & Germany, so many of them have African descent. These days the Aussies can't compete to get into the top leagues.

However as I pointed out I have produced some names outside of the GG that had the skillset & ability (vision, one touch, dribbling) that matches the those of the GG, some were curtailed by injuries, poor club options & other issues that curtailed their club careers.

Most of the GG came back & played in the A-League & though in the twilight of their careers, none of them excel in the A-League, however one player from the Socceroo v Serbia WC game in 2010 came back & excelled in the A-League, Milos Ninkovic, whose technical skills were higher than those of the GG apart from Kewell & Dukes & didn't just rely on his physical side.

 

[LFC]

Thanks for proving me right, when has Australia produced a player of this level apart from Kewell & Dukes.

Don’t think anyone is disputing about those 2 best ever so what’s the proven right there for.

Look at all these players coming thru in England, Spain, Italy, France & Germany, so many of them have African descent. These days the Aussies can't compete to get into the top leagues.

It no matter what colour or the blood decent what’s obvious we are not producing our talent good enough and is it in part our competition isn’t good enough - lack of games, lame Pro competition all too limited.

However as I pointed out I have produced some names outside of the GG that had the skillset & ability (vision, one touch, dribbling) that matches the those of the GG, some were curtailed by injuries, poor club options & other issues that curtailed their club careers.

Like I’ve said earlier could have should have been - unfortunately that’s how our cookie crumbles……they didn’t make it that’s the ball game.

Most of the GG came back & played in the A-League & though in the twilight of their careers, none of them excel in the A-League, however one player from the Socceroo v Serbia WC game in 2010 came back & excelled in the A-League, Milos Ninkovic, whose technical skills were higher than those of the GG apart from Kewell & Dukes & didn't just rely on his physical side.

I won’t hold or judge any of the GG’s standards back here for I think most were spent burnt out barring the exception - it was a money marketing spin off they should have hung up their boots for they also were disrespected even by supporters and injuries like for HK.
Culina from memory was a stand out.
The league was in its infancy and all probably very surreal for them but for just being back home after long careers away.

Picking one import Ninko who is a outlier for here is easy same applies of Adrian imo.