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grazorblade said:
there doesn't seem to be any disagreement with what Roger Noll said

"100 economists in the room 100 opinions"

Well 2 opinions really, economists got this reputation because there are issues where it is tough to get consensus because of the complexity of the system and insufficient evidence (counter cyclic monetary and fiscal policy for example) there are a lot of areas where there is broad consensus
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But he even said - I don't know enough - before saying what he did. It also should be noted his specialties lie in the microeconomic area (i.e. he is looking at the club's point of view). FA's position would be from an macroeconomic point of view.
 
melbcityguy said:
It was a joke that p and r is more complicated then a war
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an nst should be a lot less complicated. Just ask the clubs what format they can manage and go with that

a tv deal is nice, but no need for it most second tiers around the world. True we have more travel costs but if clubs say they can manage it let them
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Ive said it before, and Ill say it again I believe that the FA will wait for a few months for the furore to die down and then announce a women's Australia Cup... to line up with Womens Asia Cup (just my opinion, no basis on any conversation or info I have)
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This is the feeling I have aswell, but not bc its viable in absolutely any way (we all know what sort of a black hole that will be) but bc no one will openly criticize its financial feasibility or sustainability and if they do, suddenly they will be labeled sexist or worse!
Then a pretty little statement of "the counteybwasnt ready, and we havnt scrapped the idea we will just postpone for a more appropriate time and a pat on their own backs for giving it a go"........ and "finito la musica"!
 
patjennings said:
But he even said - I don't know enough - before saying what he did. It also should be noted his specialties lie in the microeconomic area (i.e. he is looking at the club's point of view). FA's position would be from an macroeconomic point of view.
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to split hairs fa would still be microeconomics

but in any case he has written a lot of papers on macro and micro issues
 
grazorblade said:
an nst should be a lot less complicated. Just ask the clubs what format they can manage and go with that

a tv deal is nice, but no need for it most second tiers around the world. True we have more travel costs but if clubs say they can manage it let them
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There's the problem.

If the clubs can't manage and the whole thing falls flat what happens then. Back to the status quo for the clubs. They won't mind - they gave it a shot.

The FA can't look at it that way - if it is not done properly they will have cruelled the pitch for another couple of decades.
 
biggiemic said:
Exactly, head office has/is a joke.
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mentioning Japan, it took them 6yrs to have J2 set up and running after J1.
Its typically obvious they have shown us up many a time yet we mocked them so far back by the same types who were/have been against the ethnics here go figure.
We're an utter joke and people jump on thanking Lowy what he introduced to this day.
Ignorance is bliss amongst some fellow football supporters we hang with.
MCG goes on about the suits/Gallop/media's Wilson correct no denying they played their parts - tbh he's the start of the cancer where we have ended up.

pjennings and some others appreciate your input many posts make alot of sense.
 
LFC said:
mentioning Japan, it took them 6yrs to have J2 set up and running after J1.
Its typically obvious they have shown us up many a time yet we mocked them so far back by the same types who were/have been against the ethnics here go figure.
We're an utter joke and people jump on thanking Lowy what he introduced to this day.
Ignorance is bliss amongst some fellow football supporters we hang with.
MCG goes on about the suits/Gallop/media's Wilson correct no denying they played their parts - tbh he's the start of the cancer where we have ended up.

pjennings and some others appreciate your input many posts make alot of sense.
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Fed Gov also major problem.

The amount of funding we recieve, compared to other sports, is beyond disgraceful.

I don't think they realise if they actually invested in this sport, the country would be in a better place. Or they just protecting the egg ball sports.
 
patjennings said:
There's the problem.

If the clubs can't manage and the whole thing falls flat what happens then. Back to the status quo for the clubs. They won't mind - they gave it a shot.

The FA can't look at it that way - if it is not done properly they will have cruelled the pitch for another couple of decades.
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We don't know how the fa look at it due to the secrecy of the process and there seems to be divergent opinions from individuals in the organisation as far as I can tell

having said that, the position you suggested doesn't make sense to me

you say that the downside to removing criteria and letting clubs decide is clubs could find out in sufficient numbers that they can't sustain being in the league and leave which leads to insufficient teams to have a league.

Well, then you find out that we can't have a viable second tier regardless of how much you lower the standards. Perhaps that makes clubs shy to try again until the pitch is "uncrueled" after "a couple of decades". But in this thought experiment they shouldn't want to do it for a few years anyway because they just found out they financially can't manage the extra expenses.

higher criteria means higher expenses. This might result in revenue increases being large enough to compensate, or it might not. Ultimately it is a risk and increases the risk of the competition even if the competition eventually goes ahead. It also means the clubs business environment is even more different to the one they have gotten used to so it is a bigger adjustment. This also adds to the risk. True, higher risk could mean higher reward but it is a higher risk.

But all that aside, if the downside of giving clubs more say over what criteria a nst should have is not having an nst for 2 decades because the pitch is crueled after a hypothetical collapse, well we are already almost halfway to not having a second division for 2 decades
 
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