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Dual nationals: the ones that got away

patjennings said:
Unlikely, born in Italy 12/7/1973, his father joined Marconi in 1977, Christian would have been three before returning to Italy just before his 15th birthday in 1988.

Neither his parents or grandparents had Australian citizenship so he had no claim via descent and he wasn't born here,
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Then why did we contact him? The rules weren’t the same back then either by the way.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Then why did we contact him? The rules weren’t the same back then either by the way.
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His father was a permanent resident for over 10 years. Christian was a temporary resident. He was not a dual citizen. However, because of his more than ten year residency, he was approached, and if he had agreed, they could have pursued citizenship

I've always known that he wasn't a dual national - you have at least forced me to look into the background - thanks!!
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Current list:

Men's
  • Aamir Abdallah — Sudan
  • Rahmat Akbari — Afghanistan
  • Mohamed Al-Taay — Iraq
  • Mitch Baker — Indonesia
  • Lachie Bayliss — New Zealand
  • Jake Brimmer — Malta
  • Trent Buhaigar — Malta
  • Mitch Cooper — Vanuatu
  • Matt Davies — Malaysia
  • Wade Dekker — Sri Lanka
  • Liam Farrugia — East Timor
  • Brendan Gan — Malaysia
  • Jake Hingert — Sri Lanka
  • Khoder Kaddour — Lebanon
  • Oliver Kelaart — Sri Lanka
  • Abraham Majok — South Sudan
  • Ayom Majok — South Sudan
  • Majak Mawith — South Sudan
  • Charles M'Bombwa — Tanzania
  • Jackson Morgan — South Sudan
  • Dylan Niki — East Timor
  • Jackson Pereira — East Timor
  • Anthony Pavlešić — Croatia
  • Ajak Riak — South Sudan
  • Adrian Segečić — Croatia
  • Josh Sotirio — New Caledonia
  • Nektarios Triantis — Greece
  • Ryan Williams — India
  • William Wilson — Kenya
  • Valentino Yuel — South Sudan
Women's
  • Angie Beard — Philippines
  • Bianca Gittany — Croatia
  • Laura Hughes — Wales
  • Tiana Jaber — Lebanon
  • Vesna Milivojević — Serbia
  • Indiah Paige-Riley — New Zealand
  • Stacey Papadopoulos — Greece
  • Tyla-Jay Vlajnić — Serbia
Committed to another nation at senior level, but not tied yet
  • Manny Aguek — South Sudan
  • Ali Auglah — Iraq
  • Austin Ayoubi — Lebanon
  • Aoife Colvill — Ireland
  • Deb-Anne de la Harpe — Ireland
  • Brianna Edwards — New Zealand
  • Dan Hall — Fiji
  • Ramy Najjarine — Lebanon
  • Khoa Ngoh — Vietnam
  • Mary Stanić-Floody — Serbia
Formerly committed to another nation at senior level, now committed to Australia, but yet to switch back
  • Tijan McKenna — Croatia
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Are all of these gone? Am I missing any? How many would we want back? Any thoughts?
 
An interesting observation - Triantis and Segecic seem to have had completely opposite turns of fate since turning their backs on the Socceroos. Triantis started strongly but has dropped off significantly from the end of last season to this season. While Segecic finishes strongly last season and has hit the ground running in this season. Triantis seems to have become a bench player after Minnesota appear to have brought in other midfielders.

It’s sad that he could have been a good addition to the World Cup squad and potentially secured a move away from the MLS. It doesn’t seem to have been a good move for him. I followed him closely while he was in Scotland and thought he was outstanding in the right system.

That being said, he has had a few caps for Greece now.
 
Segecic played the whole game in Portsmouth team that lost to Derby who haven’t won a game this season and were horrendously bad on the weekend. 6 shots from him only one on target. 4/12 accurate crosses. Average performance. Up the Rams!
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
I dont know where their parents are and all i can speak about is my connection to Greece has nothing to do with what my parents may or may not have told me.. Simplifying something you don't relate to to fit your own perception is a human response but unless you are in the same situation, probably best not to judge without knowing the facts.

Let me put it to you another way that may resonate. Not sure of your age, sex or situation in life but in my opinion a man can love his kids, can love his wife, can love his girlfriend, can love his parents all EQUALLY. The love felt towards all these people is equally real and equally strong but NOT the same. It is, however STILL love....
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I don't buy all the patriotic/nationalist BS about picking your country 'til death do you part. I'm mixed heritage. Love Australia, love the Socceroos, obey the law, pay my taxes, raise my kids here, committed my life and work to this country. I consider myself Australian but with deep family, cultural and linguistic ties to Argentina. I have had the misfortune of having Argentina and Australia meet at a world cup. It's agony.

But I do have a problem with someone who was invested in through Australian (or any other) pathways then committing to another country who have done sweet FA and poached them. Seems unfair. Put that way, Italy might feel hard done by over Volpato given he was outright rejected here.
 
Punchanello said:
I don't buy all the patriotic/nationalist BS about picking your country 'til death do you part. I'm mixed heritage. Love Australia, love the Socceroos, obey the law, pay my taxes, raise my kids here, committed my life and work to this country. I consider myself Australian but with deep family, cultural and linguistic ties to Argentina. I have had the misfortune of having Argentina and Australia meet at a world cup. It's agony.

But I do have a problem with someone who was invested in through Australian (or any other) pathways then committing to another country who have done sweet FA and poached them. Seems unfair. Put that way, Italy might feel hard done by over Volpato given he was outright rejected here.
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Im not debating what is or isnt fair, or even the mercenary quality of a player jumping ship... More so the right of ANYONE to tell them how they should behave if they want to remain Australian.

In your example, if I may be so presumptuous, should one of your children one day be blessed enough to be forced to decide to choose between representing Argentina and Australia does one choice make them any different to who they were before?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Im not debating what is or isnt fair, or even the mercenary quality of a player jumping ship... More so the right of ANYONE to tell them how they should behave if they want to remain Australian.

In your example, if I may be so presumptuous, should one of your children one day be blessed enough to be forced to decide to choose between representing Argentina and Australia does one choice make them any different to who they were before?
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Yeah, I'm agreeing with you on this one. I was just trying to highlight that there are some nuances here.

To answer your question, no.

If you are "ethnic" and been here for most of your life or are even second or third gen, it's not all sunshine and rainbows. No matter how great it is here, there are ways this country lets you know, over and over again that you're not quite as legitimate. It's bitter sweet. Just look at the way the Socceroos are treated compared to players of the other codes. So, I do see how some players really struggle over making a choice. They are the commodity and they have one life to live their dreams. Your relationship with your ethnicity, culture and nation is a complex thing.

The truth is, we are rapidly starting to see as many players with tenuous connections to Australia jumping on board as we are seeing former Australian players going elsewhere.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Current list:

Men's
  • Aamir Abdallah — Sudan
  • Rahmat Akbari — Afghanistan
  • Mohamed Al-Taay — Iraq
  • Manny Aguek — South Sudan
  • Mitch Baker — Indonesia
  • Lachie Bayliss — New Zealand
  • Jake Brimmer — Malta
  • Trent Buhaigar — Malta
  • Mitch Cooper — Vanuatu
  • Matt Davies — Malaysia
  • Wade Dekker — Sri Lanka
  • Liam Farrugia — East Timor
  • Brendan Gan — Malaysia
  • Jake Hingert — Sri Lanka
  • Khoder Kaddour — Lebanon
  • Oliver Kelaart — Sri Lanka
  • Abraham Majok — South Sudan
  • Ayom Majok — South Sudan
  • Majak Mawith — South Sudan
  • Charles M'Bombwa — Tanzania
  • Jackson Morgan — South Sudan
  • Dylan Niki — East Timor
  • Jackson Pereira — East Timor
  • Anthony Pavlešić — Croatia
  • Ajak Riak — South Sudan
  • Adrian Segečić — Croatia
  • Josh Sotirio — New Caledonia
  • Nektarios Triantis — Greece
  • Ryan Williams — India
  • William Wilson — Kenya
  • Valentino Yuel — South Sudan
Women's
  • Angie Beard — Philippines
  • Bianca Gittany — Croatia
  • Laura Hughes — Wales
  • Tiana Jaber — Lebanon
  • Vesna Milivojević — Serbia
  • Indiah Paige-Riley — New Zealand
  • Stacey Papadopoulos — Greece
  • Tyla-Jay Vlajnić — Serbia
Committed to another nation at senior level, but not tied yet
  • Ali Auglah — Iraq
  • Austin Ayoubi — Lebanon
  • Aoife Colvill — Ireland
  • Deb-Anne de la Harpe — Ireland
  • Brianna Edwards — New Zealand
  • Dan Hall — Fiji
  • Ramy Najjarine — Lebanon
  • Khoa Ngoh — Vietnam
  • Mary Stanić-Floody — Serbia
Formerly committed to another nation at senior level, now committed to Australia, but yet to switch back
  • Tijan McKenna — Croatia
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Comprehensive list, HSF.

Thanks.

I think possibly only Segecic ATM is a loss. A few more Aus whizz kid attacking mids kick on and he could be superfluous for the Socceroos too.
 
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