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Dual nationals: the ones that got away

verrelli said:
You're like a broken record player on this. As said countless times before, both Segecic and Triantis initially made the decision to commit to Australia despite being eligible for other countries. That was their decision, NOT to play for another nation. Both then changed their mind after being shafted by Popovic despite being deserving of game time, whilst inferior players were preferred. You can't conveniently look at their decision to represent Croatia / Greece in isolation, and ignore all that came before it including their initial decision and the reason they changed their mind. Both will go down in the history books as massive man-management failures. That will be Popa's legacy. I know you're too blinkered on this to change your mind, so I'm probably wasting my time explaining it again.

If you're performing exceptionally at work and your boss keeps overlooking you for promotion in favour of peoplethat aren't nearly as good, and eventually you get fed up and move to a new company, who is the problem? You or your boss?
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So what at 20, 21 years of age you come to work and think you know better than than the manager who has 30 years experience locally and abroad, and quit when you don't get what you want when you want it despite the company investing years in your growth and development?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Sure but you cant (with a straight face) say they both didnt accept a national team call up.
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The context around this is their age and inexperience. Popovic says they're were 20 and 21 years old at the time. They had plenty of time ahead of them to earn their place and make it so the manager could not not pick them up.

If you're passionate in your nation and you consider yourself in your heart an Australian then that's who you play for. If you are passionate for Australian and that's where your heart, then what are you doing when you're putting on another nations shirt and logo? Faking it?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Some of these ultra nationalists really DO believe that though... I mean fark me, so much hatred for young boys???
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Its not hatred, its disappointment.

If Triantis believes he's Greek first then fine, Same if Segicic believes he's Croatian first.

But don't piss on our shoes and tell us its raining, that deep down they turned their back on Australia because of Popovic. In all likelihood they did it in the belief it would further their careers faster than it would if they waited their time to play for Australia.
 
kiro kompiro said:
If you're passionate in your nation and you consider yourself in your heart an Australian then that's who you play for. If you are passionate for Australian and that's where your heart, then what are you doing when you're putting on another nations shirt and logo? Faking it?
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Thats a individual question to be put to each player it applies to that neither you or I have the answer to. Have you ever considered that in "their hearts" these boys are BOTH?

Personally I can totally appreciate them having passion for BOTH their nation of ancestry AND their nation of birth and lived experience... I do, but that also doesnt give me the right to judge who I think they should or shouldn't play for.
 
kiro kompiro said:
Its not hatred, its disappointment.

If Triantis believes he's Greek first then fine, Same if Segicic believes he's Croatian first.

But don't piss on our shoes and tell us its raining, that deep down they turned their back on Australia because of Popovic. In all likelihood they did it in the belief it would further their careers faster than it would if they waited their time to play for Australia.
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Im not pissing on your shoes, just offering you a differnt perspective to balm your sens of betrayal. These boys 100% wanted to further their career and, it just so happens, they both have ancestry with a nation they feel may help them further down the track.. Did Popa fucking them around play a part in that, big or small? I say yes, you may say no, up to you.

BUT what you cannot decide for them is who or what they feel like they are... Your delusional if you think otherwise.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Thats a individual question to be put to each player it applies to that neither you or I have the answer to. Have you ever considered that in "their hearts" these boys are BOTH?

Personally I can totally appreciate them having passion for BOTH their nation of ancestry AND their nation of birth and lived experience... I do, but that also doesnt give me the right to judge who I think they should or shouldn't play for.
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Well that's the thing. I don't think you can be both, equally.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Im not pissing on your shoes, just offering you a differnt perspective to balm your sens of betrayal. These boys 100% wanted to further their career and, it just so happens, they both have ancestry with a nation they feel may help them further down the track.. Did Popa fucking them around play a part in that, big or small? I say yes, you may say no, up to you.

BUT what you cannot decide for them is who or what they feel like they are... Your delusional if you think otherwise.
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Well obviously I can't decide for them.

Representing your nation should be more than just about furthering your career.. these players are free to feel otherwise, but they can't complain if fans lose respect for them or boo them should they play against us.
 
kiro kompiro said:
Well obviously I can't decide for them.

Representing your nation should be more than just about furthering your career.. these players are free to feel otherwise, but they can't complain if fans lose respect for them or boo them should they play against us.
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Again mate, its a personal choice... Some players are ultra nationalistic, others are just selfish people looking to further their careers, others just dont really care either way... its all a case by case, person by person feeling. Just like in real life so too for players.

You might be fiercely patriotic about Australia and all things Australian but its a bit naive to think every sportsperson (footballer or otherwise) who pulls on national team uniform feels the same..
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Again mate, its a personal choice... Some players are ultra nationalistic, others are just selfish people looking to further their careers, others just dont really care either way... its all a case by case, person by person feeling. Just like in real life so too for players.

You might be fiercely patriotic about Australia and all things Australian but its a bit naive to think every sportsperson (footballer or otherwise) who pulls on national team uniform feels the same..
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But isn't pride in your nation that makes you watch, stand up for the national anthem, sing it, or place your hand over your heart?

Otherwise what are we doing here? Watching a bunch of mercenaries running around pantomiming they love the shirt...I mean that's what the EPL is for!
 
kiro kompiro said:
But isn't pride in your nation that makes you watch, stand up for the national anthem, sing it, or place your hand over your heart?

Otherwise what are we doing here? Watching a bunch of mercenaries running around pantomiming they love the shirt...I mean that's what the EPL is for!
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Pride is one emotion sure but it shouldn't overshadow gratitude, comfort the feeling of home.

Home is where your family is, not JUST a geographical location.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Pride is one emotion sure but it shouldn't overshadow gratitude, comfort the feeling of home.

Home is where your family is, not JUST a geographical location.
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Are their families overseas?

Given their young ages and them being raised here with their families I find it hard to believe they have strong emotional connections to Croatia and Greece beyond maybe what their parents might tell them about the place I suspec they're motivated about playing in Europe against European nations to further their careers. It is what it is.
 
kiro kompiro said:
Are their families overseas?

Given their young ages and them being raised here with their families I find it hard to believe they have strong emotional connections to Croatia and Greece beyond maybe what their parents might tell them about the place I suspec they're motivated about playing in Europe against European nations to further their careers. It is what it is.
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I dont know where their parents are and all i can speak about is my connection to Greece has nothing to do with what my parents may or may not have told me.. Simplifying something you don't relate to to fit your own perception is a human response but unless you are in the same situation, probably best not to judge without knowing the facts.

Let me put it to you another way that may resonate. Not sure of your age, sex or situation in life but in my opinion a man can love his kids, can love his wife, can love his girlfriend, can love his parents all EQUALLY. The love felt towards all these people is equally real and equally strong but NOT the same. It is, however STILL love....
 
verrelli said:
You're like a broken record player on this. As said countless times before, both Segecic and Triantis initially made the decision to commit to Australia despite being eligible for other countries. That was their decision, NOT to play for another nation. Both then changed their mind after being shafted by Popovic despite being deserving of game time, whilst inferior players were preferred. You can't conveniently look at their decision to represent Croatia / Greece in isolation, and ignore all that came before it including their initial decision and the reason they changed their mind. Both will go down in the history books as massive man-management failures. That will be Popa's legacy. I know you're too blinkered on this to change your mind, so I'm probably wasting my time explaining it again.

If you're performing exceptionally at work and your boss keeps overlooking you for promotion in favour of peoplethat aren't nearly as good, and eventually you get fed up and move to a new company, who is the problem? You or your boss?
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I'm just pointing out the facts. Triantis and Segecic both decided to play for other countries. They took action to implement those decisions. They did that as soon as the opportunity came up. Neither (as far as I've seen) have made public statements outlining their reasons. If the reasons really are what you say they are then to me that shows a lack of desire to play for Australia.
 
Pretty sure that Christian Vieri was not a dual national. Max was born here, Christian in Italy, with Italian parents and grandparents
 
HonestSpursFan said:
He was because he lived here and was a citizen.
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Unlikely, born in Italy 12/7/1973, his father joined Marconi in 1977, Christian would have been three before returning to Italy just before his 15th birthday in 1988.

Neither his parents or grandparents had Australian citizenship so he had no claim via descent and he wasn't born here,
 
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