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Are Brisbane Roar the new Nixs of old?

It's difficult to see serious progress being made until the stadium issue is satisfactorily resolved. I live in eternal hope though that this will be the season the Roarcelona glory days return, lol!
 
Got to completely disagree with this one.

The stadium issue has been discussed at length throughout Australian football circles, and I reckon you'd find it's the main issue for any potential new club or ownership group looking at the Roar. It's the reason you don't see any serious second bids, Aus Champs sides, or prospective new owners showing much interest in the club.

I completely understand your issues with the club, but for me, I don't see why the nuclear option would fix them. You'd still be left with an imported franchise with no connect good or bad, and no proper home and only sovled the potential uncaring owners. If you're trying to convince new ownership to invest in a league club in Brisbane, why not retain the established brand with its wider recognition across sporting and football circles rather than starting again from square one?

Fair reply.....your making some solid practical points.

The stadium problem really is the biggest structural blocker. Without a proper mid-sized home that feels like it belongs to football, serious new ownership or a second Brisbane licence is always going to be a hard sell.....

That issue doesn’t magically disappear just because you kill the Roar and start under a new name.

Where I am coming from is on the emotional and cultural side. A lot of people don’t just dislike the current owners or the results here, they’ve stopped connecting with the whole operation....

The club feels imported, temporary, and totally disconnected from the city's entire sporting psyche.

Keeping the name and the licence doesn’t automatically restore that connection. In some cases the baggage itself becomes the barrier.

And I think many of Brisbane's football people just associate the brand with years of underwhelming football, ownership dramas, and a three-quarter-empty Suncorp. A clean reset (new name, new identity, new ownership) can sometimes break that cycle more effectively than trying to rehabilitate a damaged or let's be honest here a toxic brand....

And while using the "Roar" moniker was pure early A-League marketing ploy, an aggressive, animal-themed, easy to brand, and deliberately non-ethnic so it could try to appeal to a broad family oriented audience, it is without doubt the most fucken stupid club name on Planet Football!!

Sorry about that!!
 
It's difficult to see serious progress being made until the stadium issue is satisfactorily resolved. I live in eternal hope though that this will be the season the Roarcelona glory days return, lol!

You're gonna need Big Ange back in Brizzie for the sexy football to return.....🤗
 
Fair reply.....you’re making some solid practical points.

The stadium problem really is the biggest structural blocker. Without a proper mid-sized home that feels like it belongs to football, serious new ownership or a second Brisbane licence is always going to be a hard sell.....

That issue doesn’t magically disappear just because you kill the Roar and start under a new name.

Where I am coming from is on the emotional and cultural side. A lot of people don’t just dislike the current owners or the results here, they’ve stopped connecting with the whole operation....

The club feels imported, temporary, and totally disconnected from the city's entire sporting psyche.

Keeping the name and the licence doesn’t automatically restore that connection. In some cases the baggage itself becomes the barrier.

And I think many of Brisbane's football people just associate the brand with years of underwhelming football, ownership dramas, and a three-quarter-empty Suncorp. A clean reset (new name, new identity, new ownership) can sometimes break that cycle more effectively than trying to rehabilitate a damaged or let's be honest here a toxic brand....

And while using the "Roar" moniker was pure early A-League marketing ploy, an aggressive, animal-themed, easy to brand, and deliberately non-ethnic so it could try to appeal to a broad family oriented audience, it is without doubt the most fucken stupid club name on Planet Football!!

Sorry about that!!
You make some valid points about how the club is seen and I actually don’t disagree with at lot of them. The reality is that the only way to solve that long term is be competently run whether that’s new or old which I think we both agree is not what the roar is currently.

IMO I rather not lose all the great memories/connections with the club I have supported since I was a kid (my footballing journey basically starts the year NSL is stopped for reference)

If the option is either a competent new ownership under the same football club with all the good history and connections it has formed with the community over the years or a competent new ownership with a new name etc as a new club then I’d probably be out personally but I may just be in the minority which is fair enough.
 
You make some valid points about how the club is seen and I actually don’t disagree with at lot of them. The reality is that the only way to solve that long term is be competently run whether that’s new or old which I think we both agree is not what the roar is currently.

IMO I rather not lose all the great memories/connections with the club I have supported since I was a kid (my footballing journey basically starts the year NSL is stopped for reference)

If the option is either a competent new ownership under the same football club with all the good history and connections it has formed with the community over the years or a competent new ownership with a new name etc as a new club then I’d probably be out personally but I may just be in the minority which is fair enough.
That’s a fair and honest position and I think all opinions are valid in a case like this....

And while some people are so disconnected from the current Roar that only a clean break feels worthwhile. There's others, like yourself who still have enough attachment to the history that they’d rather see the existing club properly fixed than replaced. In a situation like this, there’s no single “correct” emotional response...

I guess it depends on how much of the past still feels meaningful to each person.
 
You make some valid points about how the club is seen and I actually don’t disagree with at lot of them. The reality is that the only way to solve that long term is be competently run whether that’s new or old which I think we both agree is not what the roar is currently.

IMO I rather not lose all the great memories/connections with the club I have supported since I was a kid (my footballing journey basically starts the year NSL is stopped for reference)

If the option is either a competent new ownership under the same football club with all the good history and connections it has formed with the community over the years or a competent new ownership with a new name etc as a new club then I’d probably be out personally but I may just be in the minority which is fair enough.
I was thinking along similar lines rejecting the nuclear option.

Nothing in sport would have the same impact as, yes I am going to use it in serious context, "making us great again".

There were plenty of Roar fans who showed up to games early on and plenty who were there at our peak. Most of those are probably still around and I doubt they have shifted to another aleague club. They may have gotten into their local or community team, or I think more likely just dropped professional football as entertainment or interest.

Many will still be fans of the club without having the desire to spend money or turn up when they do not like the owner, the squad, the results, the playing style, or the BS that has gone on. But they will still have the Roar as their club if they had to make a declaration or die.

Goodwill and bad feelings are both relevant marketing levers if marketing and numbers is what tells you that a club is a club.

It would be a pointless loss to wipe the Roar out and just put one or two other teams in place.

Far better would be to have a second club in Queensland, if not directly in SE Queensland, start up to take on fresh fans, jaded fans, and those with open hostility for the Roar. Perfect way to start a rivalry with genuine feeling - especially if it can incorporate the existing fans and memories of the Gold Coast opposition too.

Those who have been around a reasonable amount of time will no doubt recall the passion of GazColdToast and his weekly writeups.

The basis is there for both a massive comeback and supporter return, and for a rivalry to equal any other aleague rivalry.

The name, as I have said before, is a nonsense argument against a club's identity and existence. When you take a club to heart you don't give a stuff about it's name - you become a part of it. How many people would say "I would follow South Melbourne but I don't like the Hellas so I won't". We have brumbies in Australia, but there will be plenty of anti-US supporters who follow the Broncos. You are either in or out and if the name is enough to sway you then you are plastic enough to simply pick another club with a name you like. Nothing wrong with that if it floats your boat - some punters win on the colour of the jockey's shirt in The Cup.

Roar works for us and it is our identity - so the name should stay. It belongs to us and is part of the aleague landscape now - history, warts and all. The club addressed the Mickey Mouse aspect of the name when we changed our logo from the cartoon version - which I am still proud to display when I wear my old strip or jacket. Because that is part of our life as a club; it includes where we came from and who we are now.

I doubt you would get any objections to another Queensland club, or best of all, another South East Queensland team, from anyone who did not directly benefit from us being a unique commodity in the State. I would love having State opposition again - even if it came at the cost of them whooping our butts and lording it over us like Gold Coast often did.

How good when you start to get it back over them!

Baby and bathwater is not the answer in my books. Change - certainly. Overthrow - waste.

And I still say that Valkanis may pull something out this season once he has the players together long enough to learn how he wants it played. We are one good season away from credibility. Anyone saying otherwise is speaking from fear of what we will become again ;).

And I forgot to mention earlier - thanks to NoMates for both starting the discussion, and for having the decency not to include it in our Roar thread. Genuine respect for that mate.
 
It's difficult to see serious progress being made until the stadium issue is satisfactorily resolved. I live in eternal hope though that this will be the season the Roarcelona glory days return, lol!
The one saving grace of Suncorp is we never complained about it until we had so few attending that the emptiness could be heard.

The cost itself was crippling when we needed 15-17k attendees every game to just break even. I would like to think Stadiums Queensland would see some level of commonsense in coming to terms if we were getting 10-15k back at games. They risk losing all earnings from us and having an idle stadium if they insist on costing us out of the place.

17-20k in the lowest tier is plenty to make the place rock, and Brisbane is a place where people will come to see a winner.

I think fixing the football is the one key factor that determines our progress and recovery. Everything else is a distant second. Who would object if we had a competitive squad of 18 year olds winning games for us if that was to happen?

A lot would be forgiven quickly if the football spoke for the club.

The rest would take time to come around.

Or not...
 
Well I totally get the “don’t disband them just for poor results” argument but that on-field form is a symptom, not the core disease here....

A lot of "football people" in Brisbane just don’t gel with the entire Brisbane Roar theme anymore. It’s not only the results. It’s the whole package....

The ownership, the constant stadium uncertainty, the three quarter-empty dead as a doornail Suncorp atmosphere, the sense that the club is being managed rather than built, and the lack of any strong local identity or long-term vision that feels like it belongs in this city.

When a club feels like an imported franchise with temporary uncaring owners and no proper home, it becomes hard for casual fans (and even some long-term ones) to form a real emotional attachment.
3/4 empty means 13,000 punters. You are being very, very optimistic these days.

I differ, however, on discarding the Roar. If someone like Bill Foley comes in with money and vision, the landscape will change very fast.

But yes, Suncorp is the huge concrete elephant in every Roar room.
 
3/4 empty means 13,000 punters. You are being very, very optimistic these days.

I differ, however, on discarding the Roar. If someone like Bill Foley comes in with money and vision, the landscape will change very fast.

But yes, Suncorp is the huge concrete elephant in every Roar room.

Bezos seems to like football now....
 
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I was thinking along similar lines rejecting the nuclear option.

Nothing in sport would have the same impact as, yes I am going to use it in serious context, "making us great again".

There were plenty of Roar fans who showed up to games early on and plenty who were there at our peak. Most of those are probably still around and I doubt they have shifted to another aleague club. They may have gotten into their local or community team, or I think more likely just dropped professional football as entertainment or interest.

Many will still be fans of the club without having the desire to spend money or turn up when they do not like the owner, the squad, the results, the playing style, or the BS that has gone on. But they will still have the Roar as their club if they had to make a declaration or die.

Goodwill and bad feelings are both relevant marketing levers if marketing and numbers is what tells you that a club is a club.

It would be a pointless loss to wipe the Roar out and just put one or two other teams in place.

Far better would be to have a second club in Queensland, if not directly in SE Queensland, start up to take on fresh fans, jaded fans, and those with open hostility for the Roar. Perfect way to start a rivalry with genuine feeling - especially if it can incorporate the existing fans and memories of the Gold Coast opposition too.

Those who have been around a reasonable amount of time will no doubt recall the passion of GazColdToast and his weekly writeups.

The basis is there for both a massive comeback and supporter return, and for a rivalry to equal any other aleague rivalry.

The name, as I have said before, is a nonsense argument against a club's identity and existence. When you take a club to heart you don't give a stuff about it's name - you become a part of it. How many people would say "I would follow South Melbourne but I don't like the Hellas so I won't". We have brumbies in Australia, but there will be plenty of anti-US supporters who follow the Broncos. You are either in or out and if the name is enough to sway you then you are plastic enough to simply pick another club with a name you like. Nothing wrong with that if it floats your boat - some punters win on the colour of the jockey's shirt in The Cup.

Roar works for us and it is our identity - so the name should stay. It belongs to us and is part of the aleague landscape now - history, warts and all. The club addressed the Mickey Mouse aspect of the name when we changed our logo from the cartoon version - which I am still proud to display when I wear my old strip or jacket. Because that is part of our life as a club; it includes where we came from and who we are now.

I doubt you would get any objections to another Queensland club, or best of all, another South East Queensland team, from anyone who did not directly benefit from us being a unique commodity in the State. I would love having State opposition again - even if it came at the cost of them whooping our butts and lording it over us like Gold Coast often did.

How good when you start to get it back over them!

Baby and bathwater is not the answer in my books. Change - certainly. Overthrow - waste.

And I still say that Valkanis may pull something out this season once he has the players together long enough to learn how he wants it played. We are one good season away from credibility. Anyone saying otherwise is speaking from fear of what we will become again ;).

And I forgot to mention earlier - thanks to NoMates for both starting the discussion, and for having the decency not to include it in our Roar thread. Genuine respect for that mate.
Good points about success and rivals. Success will bring more through the turnstiles as will derbies and finals. As will attractive football. And all those will create better atmosphere. If we don't have all of those or none then appropriately sized and located stadiums is our best chance of being able to generate good atmosphere. The hope is that all of those will help grow the game in Queensland. We just need the investment.
 
And while using the "Roar" moniker was pure early A-League marketing ploy, an aggressive, animal-themed, easy to brand, and deliberately non-ethnic so it could try to appeal to a broad family oriented audience, it is without doubt the most fucken stupid club name on Planet Football!!

Sorry about that!!
I dunno, there's a few MLS clubs challenging strongly in the stupid name contest!!!

And ...... they've been around for a long time and people are used to it, but I bet when everyone heard the name Sheffield Wednesday for the first time in their life they were like WTF!!! Not to mention Tottenham Hotspur or Crewe Alexandra.
 
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I dunno, there's a few MLS clubs challenging strongly in the stupid name contest!!!

And ...... they've been around for a long time and people are used to it, but I bet when everyone heard the name Sheffield Wednesday for the first time in their life they were like WTF!!! Not to mention Tottenham Hotspur or Crewe Alexandra.
Yes very true.....There's a little club in Peru called Deportivo Wanka.....

Naming a club after a sound or action "the Roar" feels heavily inspired by American franchise sports tropes rather than classic football culture...

Probably because at the inception of the A League they were keen on it being heavily marketed too the young football family types


I dunno, there's a few MLS clubs challenging strongly in the stupid name contest!!!

And ...... they've been around for a long time and people are used to it, but I bet when everyone heard the name Sheffield Wednesday for the first time in their life they were like WTF!!! Not to mention Tottenham Hotspur or Crewe Alexandra.
Yes very true.....some of those odd eccentric English xlub names from the Victorian era look like part of the furniture now....


There's a little club in Peru called Deportivo Wanka.....🫢

Naming a club after a sound or action "the Roar" feels heavily inspired by American franchise sports tropes rather than classic football culture...

Probably because at the inception of the A League they were keen on it being heavily marketed to look modern, family-friendly and errm non-ethnic.....


 
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Yes very true.....There's a little club in Peru called Deportivo Wanka.....

Naming a club after a sound or action "the Roar" feels heavily inspired by American franchise sports tropes rather than classic football culture...

Probably because at the inception of the A League they were keen on it being heavily marketed too the young football family types



Yes very true.....some of those odd eccentric English xlub names from the Victorian era look like part of the furniture now....


There's a little club in Peru called Deportivo Wanka.....🫢

Naming a club after a sound or action "the Roar" feels heavily inspired by American franchise sports tropes rather than classic football culture...

Probably because at the inception of the A League they were keen on it being heavily marketed to look modern, family-friendly and errm non-ethnic.....
And the name “Roar” also linked to Lions FC (I think called Queensland Lions then, after giving up the name Brisbane Lions to the AFL team), who were the instigators of Brisbane Roar, originally Queensland Roar. So while it may sound quite American franchise-like, there is a link there to Brisbane football.
 
And the name “Roar” also linked to Lions FC (I think called Queensland Lions then, after giving up the name Brisbane Lions to the AFL team), who were the instigators of Brisbane Roar, originally Queensland Roar. So while it may sound quite American franchise-like, there is a link there to Brisbane football.
Not forgetting either that an Australian lion has actually got maroon and orange fur.

Now, disprove that with a genuine picture of an Australian lion of different colouring anyone.

Your blue and white Kingswood doesn't count. Carn the HQ!
 
And the name “Roar” also linked to Lions FC (I think called Queensland Lions then, after giving up the name Brisbane Lions to the AFL team), who were the instigators of Brisbane Roar, originally Queensland Roar. So while it may sound quite American franchise-like, there is a link there to Brisbane football.

It's probably a mute argument really...

Some people love these kind of names, some hate them and some wouldn't be bothered either way.
 
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