ALM/W TV deal

[Glenardo]

Very much this:

The core challenge is matching the competition’s structure to the actual size and distribution of the football audience, rather than forcing a full national professional model that the commercial base cannot currently support.

Cough..Nsw-vic super league as fall back option for a national second div..cough. Why must we always be held back by the lowest common denominator in this country. If that’s where the best second tier clubs come from, that’s where they come from. Why must it be that every single jurisdiction in the country is represented or it can’t happen..”whoops, no Canberra representation in the a league, better just fold it and only have state based leagues”

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Cough..Nsw-vic super league as fall back option for a national second div..cough. Why must we always be held back by the lowest common denominator in this country. If that’s where the best second tier clubs come from, that’s where they come from. Why must it be that every single jurisdiction in the country is represented or it can’t happen..”whoops, no Canberra representation in the a league, better just fold it and only have state based leagues”

If pure meritocracy is in place then we should care where any clubs are located up and down the pyramid.. The successful football nations we are trying to emulate dont.

 

[patjennings]

Sorry Pat but what use is the owners financial strength when they don't chose to use it?

CFG, as you mentioned, could bring Ronaldo AND Messi to Melbourne City this season yet will never do so... why?

I agree - but the points are

1) that there is now the opportunity to do it
2) under the proposed CBA only one marquee outside the cap so the Ronaldo and Messi couldn't happen but a more even spread meaning more games with high quality marquees.
3) this is in the context of a media deal thread

Lastly - it was more to do with the 'financial fragility' commentary. The ALM have gone from a situation where Frank Lowy was the only huge owner at the beginning to now where more than half the ALM owners are very rich, with those seven with the exception of Sydney FC also having other football interests. The fact is it has always been fragile - and it is now the strongest it has ever been and continues to be become stronger. Do they flex their muscles at the moment - no. Could they - very easily.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

I agree - but the points are

1) that there is now the opportunity to do it
2) under the proposed CBA only one marquee outside the cap so the Ronaldo and Messi couldn't happen but a more even spread meaning more games with high quality marquees.
3) this is in the context of a media deal thread

Lastly - it was more to do with the 'financial fragility' commentary. The ALM have gone from a situation where Frank Lowy was the only huge owner at the beginning to now where more than half the ALM owners are very rich, with those seven with the exception of Sydney FC also having other football interests. The fact is it has always been fragile - and it is now the strongest it has ever been and continues to be become stronger. Do they flex their muscles at the moment - no. Could they - very easily.

fair.

 

[Glenardo]

If pure meritocracy is in place then we should care where any clubs are located up and down the pyramid.. The successful football nations we are trying to emulate dont.

Can the aus cup imo, it’s not fair that nearly all the remaining clubs are from Sydney and Melbourne…where’s the club from outback central Australia

 

[Football us life]

Sorry Pat but what use is the owners financial strength when they don't chose to use it?

CFG, as you mentioned, could bring Ronaldo AND Messi to Melbourne City this season yet will never do so... why?

While I like the idea of Ronaldo and Messi in the A-League its totally unworkable. No matter how wealthy an owner is, they cannot simply bypass the competition's framework. The A-League operates under strict Total Player Payment regulations (and the hard-cap push toward a $3M cap with heavily restricted marquee slots).

While CFG could comfortably pay a player millions out of pocket, the league rules limit how many marquee players can sit outside that cap. Unless the competition structurally permits an "open slather" spending model which the APL is actively moving away from to curb club cash burn and even multi-billionaire-backed clubs are legally boxed in.

Even if an owner could spend freely, why would they? To justify signing a global icon on massive wages, a club needs a commercial ecosystem that can recoup those costs through surging ticket sales, massive global TV rights uplifts, and high-value sponsorship deals. In Australia, because the broadcast rights are locked into a lean model and media cut-through is heavily fragmented against the AFL and NRL, a multi-million-dollar marquee is a financial black hole for the individual club owner.

CFG are of course different to your normal everyday billionaires but....

While they has the financial firepower to buy a small country, they treat Melbourne City as a systematic talent pipeline and regional footprint not a personal checkbook to set on fire for a weekend headline. Even if yhey could bring in Ronaldo and thwe little fella...

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

While I like the idea of Ronaldo and Messi in the A-League its totally unworkable. No matter how wealthy an owner is, they cannot simply bypass the competition's framework. The A-League operates under strict Total Player Payment regulations (and the hard-cap push toward a $3M cap with heavily restricted marquee slots).

While CFG could comfortably pay a player millions out of pocket, the league rules limit how many marquee players can sit outside that cap. Unless the competition structurally permits an "open slather" spending model which the APL is actively moving away from to curb club cash burn and even multi-billionaire-backed clubs are legally boxed in.

Even if an owner could spend freely, why would they? To justify signing a global icon on massive wages, a club needs a commercial ecosystem that can recoup those costs through surging ticket sales, massive global TV rights uplifts, and high-value sponsorship deals. In Australia, because the broadcast rights are locked into a lean model and media cut-through is heavily fragmented against the AFL and NRL, a multi-million-dollar marquee is a financial black hole for the individual club owner.

CFG are of course different to your normal everyday billionaires but....

While they has the financial firepower to buy a small country, they treat Melbourne City as a systematic talent pipeline and regional footprint not a personal checkbook to set on fire for a weekend headline. Even if yhey could bring in Ronaldo and thwe little fella...

Sort of my point.. why then does the financial robustness of the owners mean anything?

 

[HappyGuus]

Will Paramount call?

 

[WhatAmIWatching]

Sorry Pat but what use is the owners financial strength when they don't chose to use it?

CFG, as you mentioned, could bring Ronaldo AND Messi to Melbourne City this season yet will never do so... why?

The Lampard rule established in 2014. There is also another rule that prevents CFG to transfer youth players from their other clubs to Melbourne City.

 

[melbcityguy]

Will Paramount call?

I thought peacock is the best in the business where will he go

 

[grazorblade]

I thought peacock is the best in the business where will he go

he is welcome to join the green and gold fc podcast

 

[Frankly Speaking]

Will Paramount call?

my bet is they have already called

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

The Lampard rule established in 2014. There is also another rule that prevents CFG to transfer youth players from their other clubs to Melbourne City.

Can they not, though, still spend an astronomical amount on ONE marque player each? Thats still 7-8 known players they can use to market the league to jersey collecting, player idolising. tik tok sports fans?

 

[Football us life]

I thought peacock is the best in the business where will he go

I like Peacock he's a great football presenter....

But Stan doesn't really do much in the way of studio shows for the Champions League nowadays so wouldn't be needing a anchor/ presenter.

Probably a cost cutting exercise.

 

[WhatAmIWatching]

Can they not, though, still spend an astronomical amount on ONE marque player each? Thats still 7-8 known players they can use to market the league to jersey collecting, player idolising. tik tok sports fans?

Strictly speaking, a club can spend as much as they want on one marquee player. But will they be able to recover the cost of the player? I have always heard rumours that ADP's costs were not recouped by SFC. And CFG have stated that they will only spend as to what is suitable for the AL. So my guess is that having 'known' marquee players will not necessarily bring in additional revenues or fans. As an aside, in Melbourne, since the world cup 9 news have had a lot more on the young players and their career prospects than if they brought Haardland over.

 

[Frankly Speaking]

Can they not, though, still spend an astronomical amount on ONE marque player each? Thats still 7-8 known players they can use to market the league to jersey collecting, player idolising. tik tok sports fans?

A genuine "marquee" player is way beyond the reach of any A League club, and even if, say, Melbourne City splashed the cash (they won't - CFG has completely lost interest) the club is one twisted ankle or knee away from pouring the money down the drain.

The standard move for over the hill players is to the MLS. The Americans have left us way behind now.

Mind you, the optics are increasingly becoming one of a retirement league, and I'm not sure that's a good thing for the MLS. Yes, you get the names, but only when they have cooked their goose in Europe.

 

[LFC]

Strictly speaking, a club can spend as much as they want on one marquee player. But will they be able to recover the cost of the player? I have always heard rumours that ADP's costs were not recouped by SFC. And CFG have stated that they will only spend as to what is suitable for the AL. So my guess is that having 'known' marquee players will not necessarily bring in additional revenues or fans. As an aside, in Melbourne, since the world cup 9 news have had a lot more on the young players and their career prospects than if they brought Haardland over.

That so re ADP

Off-Field and Financial Impact

• • Membership growth: Sydney FC passed 10,000 club members for the first time ever.
  • Ticket and merch sales: Home games drew huge crowds, and merchandise sales hit record highs.
  • Global exposure: The legendary Italian star brought unprecedented worldwide attention to the club and the A-League.
  • Sponsorships: The massive hype allowed the club to land high-value sponsorships that were out of reach before. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

A genuine "marquee" player is way beyond the reach of any A League club, and even if, say, Melbourne City splashed the cash (they won't - CFG has completely lost interest) the club is one twisted ankle or knee away from pouring the money down the drain.

The standard move for over the hill players is to the MLS. The Americans have left us way behind now.

Mind you, the optics are increasingly becoming one of a retirement league, and I'm not sure that's a good thing for the MLS. Yes, you get the names, but only when they have cooked their goose in Europe.

Strictly speaking, a club can spend as much as they want on one marquee player. But will they be able to recover the cost of the player? I have always heard rumours that ADP's costs were not recouped by SFC. And CFG have stated that they will only spend as to what is suitable for the AL. So my guess is that having 'known' marquee players will not necessarily bring in additional revenues or fans. As an aside, in Melbourne, since the world cup 9 news have had a lot more on the young players and their career prospects than if they brought Haardland over.

But thats what Im saying guys... The fact we have "cashed up owners" in the Aleague is MEANINGLESS.

 

[Sutherlandbear]

That so re ADP

Off-Field and Financial Impact

• • Membership growth: Sydney FC passed 10,000 club members for the first time ever.
  • Ticket and merch sales: Home games drew huge crowds, and merchandise sales hit record highs.
  • Global exposure: The legendary Italian star brought unprecedented worldwide attention to the club and the A-League.
  • Sponsorships: The massive hype allowed the club to land high-value sponsorships that were out of reach before. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Let me guess, was this ADP fellow, by any chance, Italian ?

Congrats on you first positive A league post.

BTW, the crowds were not really " huge", " big", yes. The first home game was, and of course the two Westie as well. 18,637 AVE, Season 1 and 18,682 season two. The season after he left was still 18,050. If we had a decent team i think it would have been a lot higher.

An interesting fact was, over his two seasons, only two clubs recorded their highest crowds of the season when SFC & ADP visited.

 

[someguyjc]

But thats what Im saying guys... The fact we have "cashed up owners" in the Aleague is MEANINGLESS.

Meaningless is probably the wrong word here. Irrelevant is probably the better word. It's meaningful in the sense that they are willing and able to inject money to cover costs, debts, etc. As an example CFG injecting money via Etihad sponsorship is obviously hugely beneficial. Other clubs/owners probably need to work really hard to secure a main sponsor. Having cashed up owners with proper connections is hugely meaningful. What you are saying (and I agree with), is the amount of money in an owners bank account has next to zero correlation to how expensive the squad is.