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Not an insurmountable obstacle in my opinion, the first 130 years of Aussie Rules saw exactly the same issues.

Yep.....

Newsflash from the Sun-Herald


The opening game of the 2156/57 English AFL season between Wandsworth Demons and Birmingham Buzzcocks was played at fprmer test cricket ground Kennington Oval in London in front of 63, 000 spectators....

And because the English soccer team still haven't won a World Cup since their only victory in 1966 AFL is now the number one sporting competition in England!! 😋
 
Yep.....

Newsflash from the Sun-Herald


The opening game of the 2156/57 English AFL season between Wandsworth Demons and Birmingham Buzzcocks was played at fprmer test cricket ground Kennington Oval in London in front of 63, 000 spectators....

And because the English soccer team still haven't won a World Cup since their only victory in 1966 AFL is now the number one sporting competition in England!! 😋
Im sure English groundskeepers can learn about something called "drainage" :P
 
Yep...And as good a sport as many Australians would attest too, Australian "rules" Football will continue to be an international irrelevance....

The sport’s specific requirement of large, specialised oval grounds and complex rules do create a high barrier to entry that prevents it from competing with more globally accessible sports like football rugby and even grid iron.

And the pro international AFL advocates sometimes don't understand that it's a product that can't really be packaged, sold, and "exported" into new markets without fundamentally understanding the barriers to entry.

It's logistically impossible unless a country is willing to invest in massive oval-ground infrastructure which is a massive ask for a foreign interloping sport!

The history of the AFL's international efforts is littered with "marquee events"—exhibition matches in China, or high-profile diplomatic visits that generate headlines here in Australia but rarely translate into sustainable, local sporting ecosystems.

It's a proven failure of top-down logic!

Also AFL's massive success in Australia is built on deep, multi-generational community tribalism. International advocates often try to frame the AFL as a "premium TV entertainment product" (like a movie or a concert) that can be sold to a global audience.

But this "marketing" it abroad often fails because you cannot easily export the history, the community, and most importantly the infrastructure that allow the sport to function as it does in its home environment.
I suggest it is a difficult sport for the uninitiated, presenting as it does superficially as a dog fight over an old sausage.
 
We shouldn't be talking about AFL but unfortunately it's the "elephant in the room" for the A-League.....

Far more than the two rugby codes.

The A-League's struggle for visibility in an Australian media landscape is fundamentally built around the AFL’s dominance, which is not just a reflection of popularity, but the result of a highly sophisticated, self-reinforcing industrial machine that consumes the majority of available "oxygen" in the sports news cycle.

It dominants large swathes of Australia’s sports media landscape through a self-sustaining industrial machine. The league leverages its massive broadcast deals to saturate programming 24/7, effectively crowding out competitors. Furthermore, AFL Media acts as a powerful, autonomous content producer, controlling its own narrative and directly competing with traditional journalism for audience attention.

This creates a high barrier to entry for the A-League, as the AFL’s commercial wealth and cultural enmeshment ensure it remains the default "national game," leaving limited media oxygen for other sports.

In short the AFL is suffocating football at every media point it can.

For the A-League, this means fighting for limited remaining media "oxygen," often leaving it marginalised in mainstream coverage regardless of the actual quality or international relevance of the football being played.


If there was no AFL the A-League would likely be one of the best and wealthiest football competitions in the world outside of the big 6 in Europe.....
 
We shouldn't be talking about AFL but unfortunately it's the "elephant in the room" for the A-League.....

Far more than the two rugby codes.

The A-League's struggle for visibility in an Australian media landscape is fundamentally built around the AFL’s dominance, which is not just a reflection of popularity, but the result of a highly sophisticated, self-reinforcing industrial machine that consumes the majority of available "oxygen" in the sports news cycle.

It dominants large swathes of Australia’s sports media landscape through a self-sustaining industrial machine. The league leverages its massive broadcast deals to saturate programming 24/7, effectively crowding out competitors. Furthermore, AFL Media acts as a powerful, autonomous content producer, controlling its own narrative and directly competing with traditional journalism for audience attention.

This creates a high barrier to entry for the A-League, as the AFL’s commercial wealth and cultural enmeshment ensure it remains the default "national game," leaving limited media oxygen for other sports.

In short the AFL is suffocating football at every media point it can.

For the A-League, this means fighting for limited remaining media "oxygen," often leaving it marginalised in mainstream coverage regardless of the actual quality or international relevance of the football being played.


If there was no AFL the A-League would likely be one of the best and wealthiest football competitions in the world outside of the big 6 in Europe.....
Nah that's unfair a league has stuffed itself up they don't need the AFL help.
 
Paramount (via Network 10) has a direct equity stake in the A-League. This gives them a dual role....

Broadcaster + part-owner, which creates a clear financial incentive to support and promote the competition.

Whereas Nine Entertainment owns major mastheads like The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, and News Corp dominates Australia's tabloid/print industry with The Australian, Daily Telegraph, Herald Sun, etc and have no such skin in the game for football, which helps explain uneven mainstream coverage.

Paramount/ Skydance which is bigger than those two combined and some, doesn't own or control major newspaper or digital news outlets....

It's never really been their thing!

But the traditional newspaper industry is struggling and will likely be largely phased out over the coming decades.

Everything in terms of news will be fully digitalised bar the odd niche publication.

Paramount could easily back something like the new Football 360 and financially enhance it to serve as a high levelled digital publication covering Australian football.

It's a great football publication but could be fantastic if given the funds and resources that a News Corp invest in Sport. If I was Paramount I'd look to invest big-time in Football 360, maybe as a major advertising partnership.

I'd leave the current editorial team in place and give them full autonomy on their editorial content preserving credibility and avoid "propaganda" accusations. Many media groups do this successfully with specialist verticals. Although even with autonomy, any financial link invites bias perceptions. So success would almost certainly depend on genuine editorial freedom and quality.


Proper resourcing for F360 could elevate it significantly ie better journalism, more investigative pieces, youth development focus, women's game depth, analytics, etc. without turning it into a pure PR arm.

I'm sure with the right resources and backing, Football 360 (or a similar specialist outlet) could easily evolve into a bona fide, high-quality sporting publication.

And the decline of traditional newspapers creates exactly this opening for focused digital publications. Australian football has long needed stronger, dedicated media and this kind of model could help deliver it.

If Paramount were smart, they’d seriously evaluate something along these lines. It’s a natural extension of their existing stake in the game....
 
England v France:
Pre match 0.8m / 0.3m
Match - 2.8m / 1.4m
Post match - 1.8m / 0.8m
Repeat - 0.8m / 0.1m

For comparison, other sports on the weekend had:
NRL - Sunday 1.2m / 0.6m
Wallabies v Italy - Saturday 1.1m / 0.4m
AFL Sunday 1.0m / 0.3m
AFL Saturday 0.6m / 0.2m

Looking forward to seeing the ratings for the final.
 
Until a major media outlet has a direct financial stake in the A League, there will be no coverage.
They back their investments. Those reside in AFL and NRL. Simple as that.
So from F u l post following yours......
People carry on about P+ subscription numbers as very healthy AND its on 10plus - are they not big outlet players ?

"Paramount (via Network 10) has a direct equity stake in the A-League. This gives them a dual role...."
 
Paramount (via Network 10) has a direct equity stake in the A-League. This gives them a dual role....

Broadcaster + part-owner, which creates a clear financial incentive to support and promote the competition.

Whereas Nine Entertainment owns major mastheads like The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, and News Corp dominates Australia's tabloid/print industry with The Australian, Daily Telegraph, Herald Sun, etc and have no such skin in the game for football, which helps explain uneven mainstream coverage.

Paramount/ Skydance which is bigger than those two combined and some, doesn't own or control major newspaper or digital news outlets....

It's never really been their thing!

But the traditional newspaper industry is struggling and will likely be largely phased out over the coming decades.

Everything in terms of news will be fully digitalised bar the odd niche publication.

Paramount could easily back something like the new Football 360 and financially enhance it to serve as a high levelled digital publication covering Australian football.

It's a great football publication but could be fantastic if given the funds and resources that a News Corp invest in Sport. If I was Paramount I'd look to invest big-time in Football 360, maybe as a major advertising partnership.

I'd leave the current editorial team in place and give them full autonomy on their editorial content preserving credibility and avoid "propaganda" accusations. Many media groups do this successfully with specialist verticals. Although even with autonomy, any financial link invites bias perceptions. So success would almost certainly depend on genuine editorial freedom and quality.


Proper resourcing for F360 could elevate it significantly ie better journalism, more investigative pieces, youth development focus, women's game depth, analytics, etc. without turning it into a pure PR arm.

I'm sure with the right resources and backing, Football 360 (or a similar specialist outlet) could easily evolve into a bona fide, high-quality sporting publication.

And the decline of traditional newspapers creates exactly this opening for focused digital publications. Australian football has long needed stronger, dedicated media and this kind of model could help deliver it.

If Paramount were smart, they’d seriously evaluate something along these lines. It’s a natural extension of their existing stake in the game....

it is very clear now that the A League is low cost summer schedule filler for Paramount. Better than no other sport at all but low rating material. Accordingly, they invest what they believe the product will return.
Unfortunately, the low value of the TV deal and no alternative bidders indicates a low value of product.

After many years of optimism about football in this country, I have come to believe that the cultural barriers are too entrenched in favour of AFL and NRL.
 
it is very clear now that the A League is low cost summer schedule filler for Paramount. Better than no other sport at all but low rating material. Accordingly, they invest what they believe the product will return.
Unfortunately, the low value of the TV deal and no alternative bidders indicates a low value of product.

After many years of optimism about football in this country, I have come to believe that the cultural barriers are too entrenched in favour of AFL and NRL.
A league was doing just fine in 2014 it's been numerous stupid decisions after decisions which has killed it. You people are aimlessly blaming the other codes.
 
A league was doing just fine in 2014 it's been numerous stupid decisions after decisions which has killed it. You people are aimlessly blaming the other codes.
I'm not "blaming" anyone or anything, MCG. I am simply expressing my view of where the A League finds itself now.

I agree with you on the impact of a long series of poor decisions from FFA then FA. But that does not change my view of where we are. now. As the tv deals grow for other sports, we are feeding off scraps from the green bin.
 
I'm not "blaming" anyone or anything, MCG. I am simply expressing my view of where the A League finds itself now.

I agree with you on the impact of a long series of poor decisions from FFA then FA. But that does not change my view of where we are. now. As the tv deals grow for other sports, we are feeding off scraps from the green bin.
It's definitely depressing. I try to talk people into watching Australia cup and nobody cares. That's a league and local clubs so it's supposed to be a big deal but it doesn't have value as you said
 
It's definitely depressing. I try to talk people into watching Australia cup and nobody cares. That's a league and local clubs so it's supposed to be a big deal but it doesn't have value as you said
It is a shame that the Hahn Australia Cup competition proper lacks value despite everyone talking about the magic of the Cup and how domestic cup competitions elsewhere are taken more seriously than in Australia.
 
It is a shame that the Hahn Australia Cup competition proper lacks value despite everyone talking about the magic of the Cup and how domestic cup competitions elsewhere are taken more seriously than in Australia.
RF, I sheet home much of that to the fact that the A League clubs have never taken the competition seriously. Which is disgraceful considering how short the season is here. Decent prize money would solve the problem very quickly.
 
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