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FIFA WC 26 - Other Nations LIVE Match Thread ⚽

Yeah but that's really just 15 year olds surely? Or people that have no interest in football past the cultural phenom aspect.

Not opinions that anyone that has even a reasonable care for the game would think about.
Your second sentence is the right party. It's a bandwagon fashion thing. Some may enjoy the sport that but more but it's like PSG clothing now being a fashion statement rather than football support. These people can't name more than 5 footballers.
 
Football was NOT a working class game, at least not till the Poms finally accepted the Scot factory players coming down to England and getting paid to do so. It was very much much founded on the principles of upstairs/ downstairs Downton Abbey shite.
I'm aware the upper classes also enjoyed the game and the laws were written by those higher up. We can expect it's working class in the vast majority sense but exposure and perhaps even control from upper classes was and is there too.
 
Your second sentence is the right party. It's a bandwagon fashion thing. Some may enjoy the sport that but more but it's like PSG clothing now being a fashion statement rather than football support. These people can't name more than 5 footballers.
I mean its everywhere and especially this years WC but not really something, I would have thought, people on a football forums would even bother with.

This whole "Penaldo" vs "Pessi" shite is the cringiest dogshit Ive ever heard (and yes Im aware of it I just ignore it) ... anyone waking up at 4.45am on a cold Thursday to watch a football match would NOT be thinking about wanting Argentina to win just because they are "team Messi" and if that IS the case then Im totally bamboozled with today's society.
 
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I'm aware the upper classes also enjoyed the game and the laws were written by those higher up. We can expect it's working class in the vast majority sense but exposure and perhaps even control from upper classes was and is there too.
Apropos of nothing, not sure if youv'e seen this mini series but worth a watch if you haven't.

 
Yeah but that's really just 15 year olds surely? Or people that have no interest in football past the cultural phenom aspect.

Not opinions that anyone that has even a reasonable care for the game would think about.
Nah. Not just 15 year olds. We can talk as much as we want about it's not certain people, but football has not been for football fans for at least the last 5 years.
 
Nah. Not just 15 year olds. We can talk as much as we want about it's not certain people, but football has not been for football fans for at least the last 5 years.
If your referring to FIFA selling out to Trump and the Middle East oil barons, thats not really a surprise FIFA have been corrupt idiots, on a trajectory of fat cat capitalism, for decades now. As for the whole "content creation", social engineering, mind control dogshit, I guess I refuse to have it as part of my life so I chose to ignore it... Focus on the football people everything else is irrelevant. Football is still alive, if you want to find it.
 
If your referring to FIFA selling out to Trump and the Middle East oil barons, thats not really a surprise FIFA have been corrupt idiots, on a trajectory of fat cat capitalism, for decades now. As for the whole "content creation", social engineering, mind control dogshit, I guess I refuse to have it as part of my life so I chose to ignore it... Focus on the football people everything else is irrelevant. Football is still alive, if you want to find it.
Not just that. Pay attention to the "fans". Who is in the venues, who get's the tickets, the rise of the social influencer in the game...You can't ignore it, because it's what controls most of it.

Sure, you can go to your local club and enjoy football away from all that. However, what I initially said still holds true. Many care more about the individual than they do the team.
 
I'm aware the upper classes also enjoyed the game and the laws were written by those higher up. We can expect it's working class in the vast majority sense but exposure and perhaps even control from upper classes was and is there too.
Interestingly, in France the upper classes looked down on football for decades longer than they did in England. Nowadays the stigma has faded, with even President Emmanuel Macron (who grew up upper-middle class) being a football fan (at club level he supports Marseille from the South despite being from the North).
 
Not just that. Pay attention to the "fans". Who is in the venues, who get's the tickets, the rise of the social influencer in the game...You can't ignore it, because it's what controls most of it.

Sure, you can go to your local club and enjoy football away from all that. However, what I initially said still holds true. Many care more about the individual than they do the team.
Yeah its blatantly obvious, especially this WC... You could tell the Argentinians who had "sold the car" and flown cattle class to watch the little master were vastly out numbered by the jean cargo shorted Yank, his peroxide wife and two kids with perfect grins and freshly ironed Messi jerseys... I was bitching just this morning to a friend that now every single camera cutaway tot he crowd was to some "celebrity", most of who I had no idea who they were... It was only 1-2 world cups ago that these cutaways were almost a competition by the cameraman to find the "bounciest" pretty girl in a bikini top or the craziest passionate fan in a wacky costume. I know the game (at the top end) has sold its soul.... Thats why this WC and the previosu one feelt so meh....

Nevertheless I only care about what football people feel about the game, not influencers, not celebrities, not the cashed up AFL fans who head to NY to watch the Soccer-whatchamacallits as part of their family vacation. I would hazard that most on here (although probably 100% disagreeing with everything else I say) watch football for footballs sake? Otherwise why be on a football forum instead of some shirt collector site or youtubers comment section?
 
Football was NOT a working class game, at least not till the Poms finally accepted the Scot factory players coming down to England and getting paid to do so. It was very much much founded on the principles of upstairs/ downstairs Downton Abbey shite.
I think we need to understand what gentlemanly means. One definition: "A gentleman rests on his elbows and a lady dammit doesn't move."
 
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Fernandez hits Anderson then later clips Bellingham. Both yellows. Ref had no authority. Better refs would've seen this. The standards and instructions must be improved. Argentina need to be labelled as a dirty team and the only way to stop it is to start giving yellows early.
 
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Fernandez hits Anderson then later clips Bellingham. Both yellows. Ref had no authority. Better refs would've seen this. The standards and instructions must be improved. Argentina need to be labelled as a dirty team and the only way to stop it is to start giving yellows early.
The Egypt goal was disallowed for less and 5 passes later. And this isn’t? 🤦🏻‍♂️
 
Craziest stat from this game is that England completed 2 passes from the 66th minute to the 85th minute. They completely abandoned the ball and couldn't get out from defending deep. Their legs looked cooked as well given how slow they were in closing down the Argentine attackers. Way too much time and space. Maybe the Norway game in the Miami heat and humidity was a bigger factor than initially expected.
 
When you lose a semi the third placed game is brutal. If you win it's a minuscule consolation.
Whats even more brutal is he's going to start Mainoo against France and he was probably the one guy they could bring on to maybe hold the ball lol
 
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