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AFC east/west split & OFC

NicCarBel said:
I think I might have too haha - Might link it here when I find
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NicCarBel

Thread 'Restructuring FIFA (World Cup Qualifiers and Confederation Members)'

I've had across a few of the qualification threads referring to how, if I had my way, would restructure FIFA (in terms of member make up and confederation structures) in relation to the World Cup and it's qualifiers. So figured having a central spot for all of this would be better (plus, it allows me to have more of a back up then my word doc, that I can access on my phone if I ever want to discuss with anyone).

I've essentially narrowed down to two options, where I've gone into a bit of detail about the members, qualification make up, etc below. But, the TLDR of the two options are...
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NicCarBel said:
Yeah I had a version in the past where - ok, it's dreaming because it would include geopolitical nightmares, but it's my version of if we ever achieved World Peace™. I need to find the details again of who exactly is where, but it essentially meant:
  • AFC absorbs OFC, and OFC essentially becomes an sub-confederation (like ASEAN)
  • AFC then splits into East Asia (ASEAN, OFC and EAFF) which will now be known as the Pacific Football Confederation with West Asia (CAFA, SAFF and WAFF) being... I don't know what to call them.
Americas had two options for me:
  1. Merge into one super American Football Confederation, or
  2. CONMEBOL and CONCACAF more evenly split in terms of member nations. This means a border roughly from Panama (which would remain in CONCACAF) to Anguilla/St Kitts/Antigua
Then, essentially anything in UEFA that could theoretically go to Asia, goes to Asia - which for me would be the following:
  1. Armenia
  2. Azerbaijan
  3. Georgia
  4. Kazakhstan
  5. Israel
  6. Russia (maybe)
  7. Turkey (maybe)
From looking at the map, if looking to move some African nations into the new West Asia to be more a Gulf/Arab confederation, this would essentially be the far North African nations (although, yes distance/coverage wise, I accept this is a bit of a stretch)
  1. Egypt
  2. Libya
  3. Tunisia
  4. Algeria
  5. Morocco
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I don't know who follows this thread - but what's the political connotations of Israel being put in CAF?
 
theFOOTBALLlover said:
Israeli's are mostly European anyway.
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This is not true, but it’s quite a common misconception. Most Israeli Jews are Mizrahi. Most American Jews are Ashkenazi..

The estimates vary but the Pew Research Centre says that 48% are Mizrahi/Sephardic and 45% are Ashkenazi. Mizrahim descend from the Middle East and North Africa, Sephardim descend from Iberia (Portugal and Spain) and Ashkenazim descent from Europe.

 
HonestSpursFan said:
This is not true, but it’s quite a common misconception. Most Israeli Jews are Mizrahi. Most American Jews are Ashkenazi..

The estimates vary but the Pew Research Centre says that 48% are Mizrahi/Sephardic and 45% are Ashkenazi. Mizrahim descend from the Middle East and North Africa, Sephardim descend from Iberia (Portugal and Spain) and Ashkenazim descent from Europe.

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So according to your website (I have no idea if this is legitimate - who produces this data?) 45% are definitely European and the other 48% could be from Portugal or Spain. Safe to say over 50% are European then?
 
theFOOTBALLlover said:
So according to your website (I have no idea if this is legitimate - who produces this data?) 45% are definitely European and the other 48% could be from Portugal or Spain. Safe to say over 50% are European then?
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No. Sephardim are generally not classified as European. Sephardic Jews were expelled from Spain and mostly fled to the Ottoman Empire (which at the time included the Middle East and North Africa), where they integrated with Mizrahim. This is why they’re grouped together.

Pew is also using very liberal estimates. Other estimates say that 50-54% of Israelis are Mizrahi while less than 35% are Ashkenazi. Smaller numbers also come from other groups, such as about 165,000 Ethiopian Jews (Beta Israel). The confusion comes from Jews in other countries (such as America and Australia), who are mostly Ashkenazim and many of whom fled Nazism during the Holocaust.

Also, I’m not Jewish but from what I know many Jews would object to being labelled as White Europeans in many contexts (given they’ve spent centuries as a marginalised group, including in Europe by native Europeans). All ethnic Jews originated from the Levant, specifically modern day Israel and Palestine.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
No. Sephardim are generally not classified as European. Sephardic Jews were expelled from Spain and mostly fled to the Ottoman Empire (which at the time included the Middle East and North Africa), where they integrated with Mizrahim. This is why they’re grouped together.

Pew is also using very liberal estimates. Other estimates say that 50-54% of Israelis are Mizrahi while less than 35% are Ashkenazi. Smaller numbers also come from other groups, such as about 165,000 Ethiopian Jews (Beta Israel). The confusion comes from Jews in other countries (such as America and Australia), who are mostly Ashkenazim and many of whom fled Nazism during the Holocaust.

Also, I’m not Jewish but from what I know many Jews would object to being labelled as White Europeans in many contexts (given they’ve spent centuries as a marginalised group, including in Europe by native Europeans). All ethnic Jews originated from the Levant, specifically modern day Israel and Palestine.
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I've previously read that Israel restricts people from taking DNA tests because most would come up as European. Is that incorrect?

How do you explain the Jewish population growing from 90000 around the time of WWI to over 7 million now in Palestine? They weren't all born there.
 
theFOOTBALLlover said:
I've previously read that Israel restricts people from taking DNA tests because most would come up as European. Is that incorrect?
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I looked this up as I hadn’t heard of that and the definitive answer is no, that’s a myth spread online by people who think Israelis aren’t really Jewish or from the Middle East (when in fact even Ashkenazim have heritage from the Middle East, regardless of your opinion on Israel).

www.yahoo.com

Fact Check: No, DNA Tests in Israel Are Not Illegal, But There Are Legal Restrictions on Them

The rumor stemmed from Israel's Genetic Information Law, which was passed in 2000.
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theFOOTBALLlover said:
How do you explain the Jewish population growing from 90000 around the time of WWI to over 7 million now in Palestine? They weren't all born there.
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When the State of Israel was founded in 1948, Jews from around the world migrated there. Iran once had up to 150,000 Jews for example. Jewish migration to Palestine didn’t begin in 1948, but it didn’t all happen in 1948. They migrated decades before and especially after Israel’s foundation. Jews still migrate to Israel today. Jews also had kids in Israel (with some having large families), and most Israeli Jews today were born in Israel and consider themselves Israeli (but most see themselves as Jewish first).
 
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