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[HonestSpursFan]

Got to feel for Toon.

In 2 seasons they are on track to lose Isak, Tonali & Guimarães.

Something's not right there.

They’ve got Saudi money but got in too late. They missed out when Chelsea and City gained with Russian and Emirati money respectively (and PSG with Qatari money).

 

[HonestSpursFan]

I reckon the systematic dismantling of Eddie Howe’s spine Isak, Tonali, and now the lingering spectre of Guimaraes’ departure is not merely "prudent accounting." It is an existential retreat. While the club cites the suffocating arithmetic of the Premier League’s Squad Cost Ratio, the optics for this are disastrous.

Supporters were promised an elite project but they have been served a fire sale. By trading transformative talent for balance-sheet stability, Newcastle has sacrificed its momentum. They are no longer challengers, but a development hub, watching their ceiling crumble while the boardroom balances the books...

Amd then there's Eddie Howe himself....

He's is no longer the solution because I get the feeling that the players have stopped responding to his ways

And he’s now become part of the wreckage. His stubborn tactical rigidity and reliance on aging favourites have rendered the team predictable. By resisting modern, data-driven recruitment, he’s hamstrung the board, leaving the squad stale. He’s out of time, ideas, and, quite possibly, his depth.

Newcastle need a more progressive management and coaching team in place otherwise 2026/27 will be more of the same!

Eddie Howe is in a similar position to the one Mikel Arteta was in. They kept him around for so long even though he’s only just started winning stuff (one Carabao Cup). But, obviously the reason they won’t sack Eddie Howe is cause the English media need him to prove England can produce good managers (they don’t).

 

[Football us life]

Eddie Howe is in a similar position to the one Mikel Arteta was in. They kept him around for so long even though he’s only just started winning stuff (one Carabao Cup). But, obviously the reason they won’t sack Eddie Howe is cause the English media need him to prove England can produce good managers (they don’t).

I'm not convinced it's media driven. If Newcastle stick with Howe, it'll be because the ownership believes he can navigate the financial constraints and rebuild the squad, not because pundits want an English success story.

Ultimately, results decide managers' futures, and sentiment in the media only goes so far.

Plus the Saudi's won't be overly worried about the manager's nationality too much. They want results, progress and protecting their investment. If they decide Howe is no longer the right man, I can't see his passport carrying much weight in that decision!

 

[HonestSpursFan]

I'm not convinced it's media driven. If Newcastle stick with Howe, it'll be because the ownership believes he can navigate the financial constraints and rebuild the squad, not because pundits want an English success story.

Ultimately, results decide managers' futures, and sentiment in the media only goes so far.

Plus the Saudi's won't be overly worried about the manager's nationality too much. They want results, progress and protecting their investment. If they decide Howe is no longer the right man, I can't see his passport carrying much weight in that decision!

You’re probably right, but I’d say him being English is part of it. No Englishman has ever won the Premier League as a manager. The FA are also obsessed with having an Englishman coach the Three Lions which is why they hesitated to get Thomas Tuchel. It’s also why they got the quite inexperienced Gareth Southgate over plenty of other good managers.

 

[Football us life]

You’re probably right, but I’d say him being English is part of it. No Englishman has ever won the Premier League as a manager. The FA are also obsessed with having an Englishman coach the Three Lions which is why they hesitated to get Thomas Tuchel. It’s also why they got the quite inexperienced Gareth Southgate over plenty of other good managers.

Yep....I think that's a fair point when it comes to the FA they've clearly preferred English managers at times. But Newcastle's ownership is a different proposition. They're trying, or perhaps were trying to build a club capable of winning the biggest trophies. If they conclude Howe isn't the man to take them there, I honestly don't think his nationality will save him.....

As for the bigger picture concerning English managers Ir coaches....

There's a significant cultural gap between English coaching and much of Europe. Across the continent, coaches are generally encouraged to embrace tactical innovation, positional play, data-led recruitment and collaborative sporting structures. English football has traditionally placed greater emphasis on man-management, motivation and physical intensity.

That gap is narrowing a bit, but many English coaches still emerge from a football culture that's been much slower to evolve, making it harder to consistently compete with Europe's elite tacticians.

As you know I'm hugely interested in French football, a football culture where coaches, seem years ahead in terms of tactical education and player development. Their system produces managers who are comfortable with modern coaching methods, data-driven recruitment and flexible tactical identities....


England still produces occasional good coaches, but too many come through a culture that values motivation and traditional management over innovation. Until that coaching culture evolves, English managers will continue to lag behind many of their French, Spanish and German counterparts.

 

[HonestSpursFan]

Yep....I think that's a fair point when it comes to the FA they've clearly preferred English managers at times. But Newcastle's ownership is a different proposition. They're trying, or perhaps were trying to build a club capable of winning the biggest trophies. If they conclude Howe isn't the man to take them there, I honestly don't think his nationality will save him.....

As for the bigger picture concerning English managers Ir coaches....

There's a significant cultural gap between English coaching and much of Europe. Across the continent, coaches are generally encouraged to embrace tactical innovation, positional play, data-led recruitment and collaborative sporting structures. English football has traditionally placed greater emphasis on man-management, motivation and physical intensity.

That gap is narrowing a bit, but many English coaches still emerge from a football culture that's been much slower to evolve, making it harder to consistently compete with Europe's elite tacticians.

As you know I'm hugely interested in French football, a football culture where coaches, seem years ahead in terms of tactical education and player development. Their system produces managers who are comfortable with modern coaching methods, data-driven recruitment and flexible tactical identities....


England still produces occasional good coaches, but too many come through a culture that values motivation and traditional management over innovation. Until that coaching culture evolves, English managers will continue to lag behind many of their French, Spanish and German counterparts.

Yeah it’s definitely changing to an extent, e.g. Michael Carrick has done well for Man U and is only 44 so still has time. I think it’ll change at some point but maybe Europe just produces better coaches like how some countries produce better players in different positions.

 

[riquelmes_laces]

They’ve got Saudi money but got in too late. They missed out when Chelsea and City gained with Russian and Emirati money respectively (and PSG with Qatari money).

Yeah PSR is hitting them hard. I reckon they'll have to revert to a Brighton model for a few years until they get the required revenue through the door. Not sure what they can do up in Newcastle for additional revenue streams.

 

[Football us life]

Yeah it’s definitely changing to an extent, e.g. Michael Carrick has done well for Man U and is only 44 so still has time. I think it’ll change at some point but maybe Europe just produces better coaches like how some countries produce better players in different positions.

Carrick's a good example because his ideas are much more continental than traditionally English. At Middlesbrough he built a possession-based side that played through the thirds, encouraged rotations, and looked to manipulate the opposition rather than just simply outwork them. He's also showed a willingness to trust younger players and adapt tactically. Unfortunately he wasn't given more time at Middlesbrough if I was honest. But if English coaching is evolving a bit, Carrick is part of that shift. The challenge is producing far more coaches in that mould, rather than relying on a handful of exceptions.


Ironically, Middlesbrough's new coach, Kim Hellberg is Swedish, yet his football looks more traditionally English than Carrick's did. It just shows nationality isn't really the issue but coaching philosophy is.

You can have an English coach with continental ideas or a European coach with a more direct, old-school approach. It's the footballing education and tactical outlook that matter most.

Funny old game innit!!

 

[Football us life]

Yeah PSR is hitting them hard. I reckon they'll have to revert to a Brighton model for a few years until they get the required revenue through the door. Not sure what they can do up in Newcastle for additional revenue streams.

That's probably the reality. PSR has forced them into a position where they may have to operate more like Brighton where they identify, develop and sell talent until commercial revenues catch up. The problem is Newcastle sold supporters a project built around accelerating into the elite, not pausing to become a self-sustaining development club.

I guess that's why there's so much frustration.

 

[riquelmes_laces]

That's probably the reality. PSR has forced them into a position where they may have to operate more like Brighton where they identify, develop and sell talent until commercial revenues catch up. The problem is Newcastle sold supporters a project built around accelerating into the elite, not pausing to become a self-sustaining development club.

I guess that's why there's so much frustration.

Alternatively go the Villa route and throw all your eggs in the managerial basket and build the football department around that.

I think it's time for Toon to move on from Eddie Howe. They have the money for an absolute elite level manager.

 

[Football us life]

Alternatively go the Villa route and throw all your eggs in the managerial basket and build the football department around that.

I think it's time for Toon to move on from Eddie Howe. They have the money for an absolute elite level manager.

Yep.....I actually think that's the direction they'll have to go. The next appointment needs to be someone who can improve players, work within PSR constraints and maximise every resource available. The days of simply buying your way into the elite are gone. If Newcastle are going to compete with the very best, the manager has to become the club's biggest competitive advantage.....

And that's essentially what Sunderland have done. They've built the football department around a clear identity rather than chasing all these big names. The manager fits the model, recruitment is aligned with the coaching philosophy, and everyone is pulling in the same direction. Newcastle need that same clarity. At the moment, it feels like they're caught between a long-term project and short-term expectations.