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2027 Asian Cup

Quicky said:
It's worth the minor risk imo. These guys usually aren't far off or are better than the players they'd replace. The earlier qualification hypotheticals could have had Triantis, Segecic, Robertson, Sapsford with game time. These recent friendlies could have seen Bennie or Jovanovic with minutes. The next cycle you may look at some of the younger names mentioned.
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And unfortunately we still may not have learnt our lesson (i.e. they don’t play and defect).
 
Quicky said:
It's worth the minor risk imo. These guys usually aren't far off or are better than the players they'd replace. The earlier qualification hypotheticals could have had Triantis, Segecic, Robertson, Sapsford with game time. These recent friendlies could have seen Bennie or Jovanovic with minutes. The next cycle you may look at some of the younger names mentioned.
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First round of WCQ is where we have the most leeway to do these things in real matches.

The recent friendlies were close to our WC squad. Even within that Herrington came in at 18, Juric got his first cap and Suto had a look in camp. Every manager we have ever had would consider this to be progressive. 5 uncapped guys in a world cup tune up is almost never happening.
 
Cunningstunt said:
First round of WCQ is where we have the most leeway to do these things in real matches.

The recent friendlies were close to our WC squad. Even within that Herrington came in at 18, Juric got his first cap and Suto had a look in camp. Every manager we have ever had would consider this to be progressive. 5 uncapped guys in a world cup tune up is almost never happening.
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Yeah agree. When we're playing the Bangladesh's of qualification there are opportunities. But there are other opportunities along the way too.

Fwiw I don't question Popovic's efforts to bring players in, but I do question the who, strategy and mixed messaging behind it. Popovic has done a good job looking at a lot of players.
 
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Quicky said:
Yeah agree. When we're playing the Bangladesh's of qualification there are opportunities. But there are other oppirtunities along the way too.

Fwiw I don't question Popovic's efforts to bring players in, but I do question the who, strategy and mixed messaging behind it. Popovic has done a good job looking at a lot of players.
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He has actually done far more than I expected when he was appointed.

Australia national football team statistics and records: youngest players

Australia national football team statistics and records: youngest players
www.11v11.com

It is pretty hard to pick a kid before they are 20 based on potential. Since the move into Asia (and regular games that matter) in 2006:
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Of these guys. Taggart, Burns and Oar managed to get to 20 caps. Only Rogic would really be considered a locked in socceroo (setting aside the recent guys). Antonis, Ikonomidis, Arzana all had similar 'cap him' hype levels to the guys we are talking about today. There was a dual national thing with Arzani and Iran. The pressure to pick Tommy Oar was huge, and he ended up with a solid career, but hardly a socceroos mainstay.
 
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patjennings said:
I ask the other question - who would you move on (won't make 2030 World Cup).
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With the current schedule of dual qualifiers and an Asian Cup 6 months after the World Cup I wouldn't move anyone on just because they wont make the 2030 WC. I regard this as the one cycle culminating in the Asian Cup. When the timing changes and a nations league gets introduced we can have two cycles. That doesn't mean I think all the experienced players should automatically be picked for the Asian Cup. A players career doesn't always revolve around cycles. There will always be players where age catches up suddenly and other young players get it right and force their way in. All I'm saying is that we should pick our strongest squad with youth and potential only being the deciding factor on the last few spots ie we've got our 20+ main players and now are deciding who rounds out the squad, a 33 year old with experience or a 20 year old who needs experience.
 
Young players to think about for Asian Cup-Younis,Caputo,Overy,Bennie,Beach,Devenish -Meares,Adams,Taylor,Dobson,Rawlins,Esposito,Vickery,Badolato,Dukuly,Jovanocic,Alagich,White,Natta,Paull,Jelacic,Arena,Scicluna,Sapsford,Akon,Maynard-Brewer,Grimaldi,Botic,Chipperfield

Players who have been in the NT and have been discarded or injured-G
Kuol,Miller,Atkinson,Farrell,Matthews,Milanovic,Baccus,Strain,Karacic,Nisbet,Genreau

Players who are regulars or recent NT players -Bos,Ryan,Circati,Irankunda,Mo Toure,O'Neill,Okon-Engstler,Yazbek,O'Neill,Robertson,Balard,Italiano,Gauci,McGree,Hrustic,MetcalfeBurgess,Rowles,Herrington,Trewin,Silvera

Not to be considered,retired ,etc-Duke,Behich,Boyle,Irvine,Degenek,Geria,Deng,Tilio,Arzani,Teague,Taggart
 

2027 AFC Asian Cup qualification – third round - Wikipedia

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Totally gapped the final qualifiers were played last window. No real surprises but very disappointed to see The Philippines missing out over Tajikistan. India totally bombed out. Still not enough SE Asian compared to ME. I know Singapore and HK are weak but their attendance would be decent.
 
JS96 said:
I know Singapore and HK are weak but their attendance would be decent.
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Hong Kong have failed to qualify for the upcoming Asian Cup cycle after finishing second in their group but agree that attendance for Singapore is going to be high especially given that they've qualified for the tournament for the first time ever on merit and the whole country will be behind them throughout their campaign.
 
JS96 said:
Draw only 8 days away and an unwelcome distraction. What date do we start in Florida? Given the ME issues I'm not sure Popovic will fly to Saudi then Florida.
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The Florida camp will probably start on May 25th when clubs have to release players to national teams ahead of the World Cup but I don't think that Tony Popovic will be heading to Saudi Arabia altogether for the draw given the issues in the Middle East and the fact that he has to make the necessary preparations regarding the Socceroos playing list in between.
 
rebelliousfeminist974 said:
Hong Kong have failed to qualify for the upcoming Asian Cup cycle after finishing second in their group but agree that attendance for Singapore is going to be high especially given that they've qualified for the tournament for the first time ever on merit and the whole country will be behind them throughout their campaign.
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I've totally overlooked that Singapore got on ahead of Hong Kong. Singaporeans often bought a high number of world cup tickets so hopefully they travel. I hope we play them.

I don't think there's enough capacity but a Singapore Malaysia Asian Cup would be cool. Perhaps the other half in Hong Kong, China and Taiwan before settling on one place for the final.
 
rebelliousfeminist974 said:
The Florida camp will probably start on May 25th when clubs have to release players to national teams ahead of the World Cup but I don't think that Tony Popovic will be heading to Saudi Arabia altogether for the draw given the issues in the Middle East and the fact that he has to make the necessary preparations regarding the Socceroos playing list in between.
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I forget who it was but there was talk about three different arrival times with respective groups of players. May 25 seems late given we have a game across the country on the 30th. Flying that way then into another time zone again.

We've got a few late arrivals but a lot will be available in a few days as the season rounds up.
 
Pots
Saudi Arabia (61) (hosts)
Japan (18)
Iran (21)
South Korea (25)
Australia (27)
Uzbekistan (50)


Qatar (55)
Iraq (57)
Jordan (63)
United Arab Emirates (68)
Oman (79)
Syria (84)

Bahrain (91)
Thailand (93)
China (94)
Palestine (95)
Vietnam (99)
Tajikistan (103)

Kyrgyzstan (107)
North Korea (118)
Indonesia (122)
Kuwait (134)
Singapore (147)
Third round Group B winner Lebanon or Yemen
 
Geez the pots, while obvious, show some really tricky groups.

I hope we can draw Iraq as we've not played them for a while, have played the other Pot 2 teams a lot and if Arnold is still there it'd be epic.

I'd take Tajikistan for variation and easiness. North Korea or Singapore.

Indonesia pose a massive threat being on pot 4.

Saudi to rig it and get Syria, Palestine and Lebanon.

Hoping we can get groups with a bigger mix of cultures.

Japan Qatar Vietnam and Indonesia would be a pretty hot group.
 
Cunningstunt said:
He has actually done far more than I expected when he was appointed.

Australia national football team statistics and records: youngest players

Australia national football team statistics and records: youngest players
www.11v11.com

It is pretty hard to pick a kid before they are 20 based on potential. Since the move into Asia (and regular games that matter) in 2006:
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Of these guys. Taggart, Burns and Oar managed to get to 20 caps. Only Rogic would really be considered a locked in socceroo (setting aside the recent guys). Antonis, Ikonomidis, Arzana all had similar 'cap him' hype levels to the guys we are talking about today. There was a dual national thing with Arzani and Iran. The pressure to pick Tommy Oar was huge, and he ended up with a solid career, but hardly a socceroos mainstay.
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Oar was an odd one... had all the moves of an out and out winger without the pace to pull them off
I recall seeing him play a number of times at Suncorp and wondering what the hype was about.
 
Frankly Speaking said:
Oar was an odd one... had all the moves of an out and out winger without the pace to pull them off
I recall seeing him play a number of times at Suncorp and wondering what the hype was about.
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I remember watching Oar play in the World Cup and getting monstered. The size and stregth of the Spanish defenders compared to him was stark. It was like watching a boy against men. Still had a decent career and good stint in Netherlands.
 
Quicky said:
I remember watching Oar play in the World Cup and getting monstered. The size and stregth of the Spanish defenders compared to him was stark. It was like watching a boy against men. Still had a decent career and good stint in Netherlands.
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I remember that game. Oar kept on trying to beat the fullback for pace around the outside and lost every time. it was a painful watch.
 
patjennings said:
I ask the other question - who would you move on (won't make 2030 World Cup).

To me that is Izzo, Goodwin, Duke, Behich, Irvine, Boyle, Elder, Leckie and Burgess. Not all these will make the 2026 World Cup. But realistically I wouldn't want to be considering them for the 2030 World Cup.
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It is a good question, PJ?

I’m still plodding along slowly compiling stats and data from the games against Cameroon and Curcacao, even the last 20 mins against Colombia.

Including McGree, I can barely see any current 27 yo plus Aus outfielders being able to keep the players aged under 25 out of the Roo first 11 in the next 18 months.

The technical skill set of the younger gen is significantly greater than the older Gen all across the pitch.

Then there are some good players who have made bad club decisions, or suffered injury, likely to resurge - Jake Hollman, Farrell, Younis, Bozinovski (relegated), Leonard, Matthews, et al.
 
booney52 said:
Young players to think about for Asian Cup-Younis,Caputo,Overy,Bennie,Beach,Devenish -Meares,Adams,Taylor,Dobson,Rawlins,Esposito,Vickery,Badolato,Dukuly,Jovanocic,Alagich,White,Natta,Paull,Jelacic,Arena,Scicluna,Sapsford,Akon,Maynard-Brewer,Grimaldi,Botic,Chipperfield

Players who have been in the NT and have been discarded or injured-G
Kuol,Miller,Atkinson,Farrell,Matthews,Milanovic,Baccus,Strain,Karacic,Nisbet,Genreau

Players who are regulars or recent NT players -Bos,Ryan,Circati,Irankunda,Mo Toure,O'Neill,Okon-Engstler,Yazbek,O'Neill,Robertson,Balard,Italiano,Gauci,McGree,Hrustic,MetcalfeBurgess,Rowles,Herrington,Trewin,Silvera

Not to be considered,retired ,etc-Duke,Behich,Boyle,Irvine,Degenek,Geria,Deng,Tilio,Arzani,Teague,Taggart
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Wouldn’t discard Teague and Arzani. They are still way off their best.

Irvine - only his age is against him.

Deg - maybe experience and recent late form?

I even see a back three of Leonard, Circati and Herrington, keeping all older CBs out soon.
 
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