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HonestSpursFan said:
Do we really think heā€™ll be good enough for the Socceroos though? If not then just let Malta have him.
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His defensive stats are incredible. His offense has improved this season. He definitely looks to be a contender to be one of our best mids in the future, perhaps even sooner
 
grazorblade said:
His defensive stats are incredible. His offense has improved this season. He definitely looks to be a contender to be one of our best mids in the future, perhaps even sooner
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Are you saying you think that he will be one of our best midfielders in the future period? Or best centre mid in Popa's system?

Or are you saying he might become better than McGree, Segacic & Robertson?
 
onedaywinners... said:
Are you saying you think that he will be one of our best midfielders in the future period? Or best centre mid in Popa's system?

Or are you saying he might become better than McGree, Segacic & Robertson?
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different position to mcgree and sega,

he hasn't played enough games since doing his acl to know if his form is just an uptick or if this is the sort of player he really is

I think it will be hard for me to rank him amongst our current midfield options until the end of the season. But he is a better ball winner than devlin/baccus were when they left the a league but can also do line splitting forward passes (both short and long)

I won't feel confident of his ceiling until he starts regularly in europe, how many promising players end up injury prone in the more intense environment, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is high on poppa's radar
 
scout_aussie said:
Wrote an article on dual-nationals and how Australia should deal with them. Might be interesting to some of you.
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How should Australia approach dual-national recruitment?

Players with dual eligibility have become a vexed issue in Australian football over recent years. This is how Australia should deal with them.
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Personally I think they should represent the country they were born and/or raised in unless they arenā€™t good enough. Nectarios Triantis should be playing for the Socceroos for example, but itā€™s fine that Josh Sotirio plays for New Caledonia.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Personally I think they should represent the country they were born and/or raised in unless they arenā€™t good enough. Nectarios Triantis should be playing for the Socceroos for example, but itā€™s fine that Josh Sotirio plays for New Caledonia.
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If fifa made a birthplace rule that would simplify things, those we lose robbo and other decendents of socceroos
 
grazorblade said:
If fifa made a birthplace rule that would simplify things, those we lose robbo and other decendents of socceroos
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Thatā€™s why I said born and/or raised. Robbie Slater was raised in Australia (and wasnā€™t making the England squad). Under my logic we donā€™t lose any Socceroos I donā€™t think.
 
scout_aussie said:
Wrote an article on dual-nationals and how Australia should deal with them. Might be interesting to some of you.
open.substack.com

How should Australia approach dual-national recruitment?

Players with dual eligibility have become a vexed issue in Australian football over recent years. This is how Australia should deal with them.
open.substack.com open.substack.com
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100% agree. I've always felt it likely there would be many players in England eligible to play for Australia that we don't know about.

It would lift the ceiling of Australian football if we improve the talent pool, and we should be proactive about this.
 
Quicky said:
100% agree. I've always felt it likely there would be many players in England eligible to play for Australia that we don't know about.

It would lift the ceiling of Australian football if we improve the talent pool, and we should be proactive about this.
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Thinking back, it is interesting what moment won me over as not just a great player for Australia but an aussie was actually when Souttar started advocating for football to get fair funding
clearly you can be passionate for Australia without being born here. I would like passion to be a factor in selection, at least in the long run after a player has been given time in the shirt to learn the culture
 
Quicky said:
100% agree. I've always felt it likely there would be many players in England eligible to play for Australia that we don't know about.

It would lift the ceiling of Australian football if we improve the talent pool, and we should be proactive about this.
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Possibly but I donā€™t know. Australia has a lot of immigrants but not a lot of emigrants, meaning heaps of people move here but not many of us leave, and when Aussies do live overseas (e.g Aussies in London or New York) they generally come back. The rest of the Pacific does but mostly to nearby countries like Australia and NZ, e.g. 15% of New Zealandā€™s population lives in Australia but few Kiwis live elsewhere.

Compare this to England where we have a lot of permanent English migrants in Australia and millions of Aussies with English descent, so while many are too far back (or even way too far back) to play for England, many Aussies technically could be picked for England (or other British nations, i.e Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales, plus the Republic of Ireland which isnā€™t in the UK of course). Other European groups like Italians are similar, since tens of millions of Italians are in the diaspora (including 1.1 million Italian Australians). Most Italian diaspora in Australia are still eligible for Italy but the next generation wonā€™t be (e.g Cristian Volpato is eligible through his grandparents so if he has kids then his kids wonā€™t be eligible for Italy unless theyā€™re born or live there), and most Italian Americans arenā€™t eligible for Italy as Italian immigration there game earlier.

If we look at migration trends the new countries weā€™ll be fighting for players from are African, Arab and Asian countries. Asian Australians arenā€™t typically known to succeed in football though (possibly as some countries like China and India arenā€™t good at football, and the Japanese arenā€™t a massive community here compared to the Chinese and Indians as like Australia few Japanese feel the need to leave Japan). I guess the next Asian prodigy in Australia will probably be a Korean in that case (as South Korea do have major success in football, even if, like Japan, baseball is their biggest strength)? Wataru Kamijo is Japanese AND Korean.
 
Toebash said:
Eh, Volpato was 18 back then. Sometimes you do dumb shit at 18. If he's willing to commit now I'd have him.
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Given that he reaffirmed his preference for Italy in December, for me it depends. Popa would have to weigh the effect on team unity if he was reckoned to be around the same level or even only marginally better than other options. But it looks like Popa has shown his preference.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Personally I think they should represent the country they were born and/or raised in unless they arenā€™t good enough. Nectarios Triantis should be playing for the Socceroos for example, but itā€™s fine that Josh Sotirio plays for New Caledonia.
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I understand this point of view, but I think it doesn't fully cover the complexity of national identity. Should the children of refugees from wars in the Balkans or the Middle East not be able to represent the country of their origin? I think that would be harsh. I like the current system, to be honest.
 
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