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Infrastructure, Geography and Nature thread

Muz said:
I realise that I'm just tired of the crap spewed out against renewables, particularly when in comes to China, as an excuse why we shouldn't jump ahead. The fact is China is investing fucktons into renewables despite what the talkback dickheads and the media says.
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BECAUSE MANUFACTURING THEM IN CHINA IS CHEAP@!!@!!!!!!
 
Having said that. vinyl is so overpriced now. Second hand stores are selling records for 80 that you could pick up years back for a fiver in every store.
 
Muz said:
Fuck me. You are going out of your way to be obtuse. 99% of kids don't buy vinyl. That's not controversial. I already said ICE cars won't go away but they'll be a distant memory for the vast majority of people just like spotify is for listening to music.
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And I disagree with you.. Record stores are opening up all over the place down here.. its certainly an odd thning to happen to a dying mdeium wouldnt you say?
tsf said:
Having said that. vinyl is so overpriced now. Second hand stores are selling records for 80 that you could pick up years back for a fiver in every store.
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100% thats a different story all together...
 
tsf said:
I have always bought vinyl.

I have technics turntables. Sound is awesome. 30 years old.

One of my favourite things to do when overseas is buy music from record stores, or going on missions to meet locals to buy rare music.
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1200s baby....
 
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Monoethnic Social Club said:
I really didn't want to, my ears are ruined from years of working in clubs and loud environments in my 20s but even I can tell the difference between analogue and digital sound... IF you can't fair enough but there IS a remarkable difference between the two.


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Yes, the human ear and brain can distinguish between analog sound waves and digital audio
, though the difference is often subtle and depends on the quality of the recording, playback equipment, and the listener's training. While high-quality digital audio is very close to the original, differences are usually detected through "artifacts," such as unnatural attack/decay of notes, lack of "warmth," or the presence of subtle electronic noise (hiss) in analog systems.
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How the Human Ear Perceives the Difference:
  • Analog (Waveforms): These are continuous, flowing waves (e.g., vinyl, tape) that are considered more natural and "organic". They are often described as having more "depth" or a "3D" quality, largely due to subtle, pleasing distortion and harmonic saturation that occurs in the analog signal chain.
  • Digital Sound: Digital audio is a sampled, discrete representation of an analog wave (0s and 1s). While modern digital (especially high-resolution, lossless formats) is generally considered indistinguishable from analog by the general public, lower bit rates (like 128kbps MP3) can produce audible artifacts.
  • Key Differences:
    • High Frequencies: Often sound more natural on analog, whereas compressed digital (lossy) can smear high-frequency details.
    • Dynamics and Decay: The way sounds fade out (decay) is often more detailed and natural in high-quality analog or uncompressed digital.
    • Surface Noise: Analog (especially vinyl) includes physical noises like clicks and pops, which are instantly distinguishable from the "clean" background of digital.
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Factors Influencing Detection:
  • Training: Trained listeners can often hear the difference in how compression affects the attack and decay of notes.
  • Equipment: High-end audio systems make it easier to discern differences, whereas small Bluetooth speakers or low-quality headphones make it nearly impossible.
  • Source Material: Complex acoustic music is easier to differentiate than heavily produced, compressed electronic music.
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While digital audio can technically achieve perfect reproduction within human hearing limits (20Hz–20kHz), the subjective "warmer" sound of analog is often preferred for its subtle harmonic distortion and, in some cases, the "spatial" quality it can provide.
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What it can distinguish is the defects and anomalies. Blind tests show a complete inability to judge between the two.

Now when your source talks about 'compression' and such that's a function of the platform it's held on. There's a whole controversy about how spotify does this.

Notice this;

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(Lossy), (decay) surface noise. DEFECTS and ANOMALIES. That's what you're hearing. CDs are objectively better because they don't have these.

And this.

differences are usually detected through "artifacts," such as unnatural attack/decay of notes, lack of "warmth," or the presence of subtle electronic noise (hiss) in analog systems.

If you prefer LPs that's fine but the sound is not better and your quoted text shows this.
 
I bought a Bluesound portable speaker the other day., Was a bit pricey but awesome sound and the whole house shakes. Neighbours fucking love it when I get home at 3am and pump reggaeton
 
Muz said:

Comparison of analog and digital recording - Wikipedia

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Human auditory limits vs CD capability​

Human hearing limits
  • Frequency range: ~20 Hz–20 kHz
  • Dynamic range: ~120 dB (physiological maximum, not practical)
  • Time resolution: ~5–10 µs for localization cues
CD capability
  • Frequency response: perfect up to 20 kHz (Nyquist theorem)
  • Dynamic range: 96 dB (already near perceptual limits in real rooms)
  • Time accuracy: sample timing far beyond neural resolution
  • Quantization noise: below audibility with dithering

A CD already exceeds what the ear can resolve for music playback.



You might say an LP sounds better but that's a subjective judgement not an objective one. What you're actually saying is you prefer the defects and anomalies (though you'd never call them this) over, let's paraphrase here, the soulless perfection of digitally recorded music.
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Quite possibly, nevertheless it IS more pleasing sound than digital as is driving a car with a manual transmission over a non geared electric monstrosity... As the world moves closer and closer towards the abyss of a Logan's Run, AI fuelled future more and more are rejecting cold hard ultra capatialist consumerism and moving back towards nostalgic comfort.
 
:) IS Muz the modern day Moses's and the new 10+ Commandments hahaha
 
LFC said:
goggled

again google

google

google

Abraham Lincoln said don't believe everything on the internet :)
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Wikipedia is as good as Encyclopedia Encyclopaedia Brittanica BUT I did read that on the internet so take that with a grain of salt.

(Can't believe I spelt encyclopedia encyclopaedia first go correctly.)

Of course you could reference anecdotes from people who've been to the school of hard knocks. I've hear they're a great source of 'facts'.
 
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Muz said:
Wikipedia is as good as Encyclopedia Brittanica BUT I did read that on the internet so take that with a grain of salt.

(Can't believe I spelt encyclopedia first go correctly.)

Of course you could reference anecdotes from people who've been to the school of hard knocks. I've hear they're a great source of 'facts'.
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Its actually Encyclopaedia - we aren;t quite the 51st state just yet... :)'

Sorry couldn't help myself :P

www.britannica.com

Encyclopaedia Britannica | History, Editions, & Facts | Britannica

Encyclopaedia Britannica is the oldest English-language general encyclopedia. The Encyclopaedia Britannica was first published in 1768, when it began to appear in Edinburgh, and its first digital version debuted in 1981. In 1994 Britannica released the first Internet-based encyclopedia, and...
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Monoethnic Social Club said:
Its actually Encyclopaedia - we aren;t quite the 51st state just yet... :)'

Sorry couldn't help myself :P

www.britannica.com

Encyclopaedia Britannica | History, Editions, & Facts | Britannica

Encyclopaedia Britannica is the oldest English-language general encyclopedia. The Encyclopaedia Britannica was first published in 1768, when it began to appear in Edinburgh, and its first digital version debuted in 1981. In 1994 Britannica released the first Internet-based encyclopedia, and...
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Well that explains my surprise at getting it right. There was no red squiggly line under it so even though it looked a bit odd I was cheering.

Correct. Just like 'paedophile' . Got to get that A and E in the right order.
 
Muz said:
Well that explains my surprise at getting it right. There was no red squiggly line under it so even though it looked a bit odd I was cheering.

Correct. Just like 'paedophile' . Got to get that A and E in the right order.
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The red squiggly line... Ah progress and technology are just wonderful things aren't they?

Lets all march bravely into the electrified, scientific future, last to leave can clap their hands to turn off the solar powered lights :P
 
Muz said:
Wikipedia is as good as Encyclopedia Encyclopaedia Brittanica BUT I did read that on the internet so take that with a grain of salt.

(Can't believe I spelt encyclopedia encyclopaedia first go correctly.)

Of course you could reference anecdotes from people who've been to the school of hard knocks. I've hear they're a great source of 'facts'.
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wasn't it Brittania without using google by my poor school of hard knocks mind :) ah I see new link above corrected.
Oh believe me I do take your rants/facts down with a grain of salt washed down with a nice glass of chilled chinati slurpppppp ala
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Just for the kicks man I'm enjoying myself.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
The red squiggly line... Ah progress and technology are just wonderful things aren't they?

Lets all march bravely into the electrified, scientific future, last to leave can clap their hands to turn off the solar powered lights :P
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Did you type your reply on this?

Next you'll be telling me they're making a comeback too.

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