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[Muz]

What a stylish group... They most certainly dont believe any fairy stories, you can just tell.

I'll bite.

Given they've faced a lifetime of intolerance at best, abuse at worst, because of who they are because some desert dwelling arab from 2000 years ago said they're not real people yeah probably.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

I'll bite.

Given they've faced a lifetime of intolerance at best, abuse at worst, because of who they are because some desert dwelling arab from 2000 years ago said they're not real people yeah probably.

We ALL are, who we chose to BELIEVE we are.. intolerance cuts both ways.

 

[Muz]

We ALL are, who we chose to BELIEVE we are.. intolerance cuts both ways.

That may be true but it stands to reason that if you're marginalised by society based on what some religious book says it's logical that you would tend to harbour some animosity to said book and it's believers.

You brought it up with a petty, snide remark. Accept that they probably have been shaped by their experiences. And yes you're tolerant and all about 'be whoever you want to be' but 40 years ago you'd be the outlier.

It's not that long ago homosexuality was illegal and there was only one reason for that. Religion.

So yeah. They probably don't believe in fairy tales.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

That may be true but it stands to reason that if you're marginalised by society based on what some religious book says it's logical that you would tend to harbour some animosity to said book and it's believers.

You brought it up with a petty, snide remark. Accept that they probably have been shaped by their experiences. And yes you're tolerant and all about 'be whoever you want to be' but 40 years ago you'd be the outlier.

It's not that long ago homosexuality was illegal and there was only one reason for that. Religion.

So yeah. They probably don't believe in fairy tales.

And your solution to correcting the wrongs of the past is that religion should be illegal and the only reason for that will be what.... homosexuality?

 

[Muz]

And your solution to correcting the wrongs of the past is that religion should be illegal and the only reason for that will be what.... homosexuality?

How did you draw that conclusion? I never once said anything like that.

I said religious people are indoctrinated. You're the one taking offence at the terminology. It fits the definition, that's not my fault.

Be religious, I don't give a fuck.


You commented that they probably don't believe in fairy stories. I explained why that may be the case. Do you disagree, do you have a counter argument?

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

How did you draw that conclusion? I never once said anything like that.

I said religious people are indoctrinated. You're the one taking offence at the terminalogy. It fits the definition, that's not my fault.

Be religious, I don't give a fuck.


You commented that they probably don't believe in fairy stories. I explained why that may be the case. Do you disagree, do you have a counter argument?

No you didnt say that to be fair but you HAVE repeatedly implied that religious people are unable to hold a critical thought in their minds and are "indoctrinated". Unable to be "shaped by their experiences" because it doesn't fit with your "facts". However, your dishevelled Sapphic friends that are, by your conceit, shaped by their experiences, are definitely NOT indoctrinated... they are free thinkers persecuted only by the suffocating Theocracy that is Australia in 2026. Have I got this right?

Yes homosexuality was illegal for a brief period in human history (oddly that coincided with a very specific moment in Christian church development AND is still painfully the case in some other religions Im apparently not allowed to mention by name) but you ALSO realise that in many countries Communism for example was punished just the same way, as is/was adultery or theft... or being black or Asian or aboriginal.. Throughout human history it is often one group or the others that has been persecuted, quite often for arbitrary unavoidable things like race, religion, skin colour or sexual preference. You picking your favourites doesnt make the rest wrong. Doesnt give you some sort of moral high ground, despite what you think.

Heres a real fact for you to ponder, Biological Science also considers homosexuality (at least in mammals) as a failed mutation that hinders evolutionary development, useless for the ultimate purpose of life which is the survival of the species, whatever species... Or does your science explore trans gender immaculate conception as if it is some kind of fairytale miracle?


I dont give a fuck what you believe in either but just because you repeat your objections add nauseam doesn't mean your assertions are facts.

 

[Muz]

No you didnt say that to be fair but you HAVE repeatedly implied that religious people are unable to hold a critical thought in their minds and are "indoctrinated". Unable to be "shaped by their experiences" because it doesn't fit with your "facts". However, your dishevelled Sapphic friends that are, by your conceit, shaped by their experiences, are definitely NOT indoctrinated... they are free thinkers persecuted only by the suffocating Theocracy that is Australia in 2026. Have I got this right?

No I didn't say religious people are incapable of critical thought. I did say they are indoctrinated.

That's 2 separate things.

I didn't say those women weren't indoctrinated. (With what though I don't know. Their lesbian tendencies?) I said they're probably less likely to believe in 'fairy tales' (your words not mine) given the disdain religion, INCLUDING ISLAM (happy?) holds them in.

Yes homosexuality was illegal for a brief period in human history (oddly that coincided with a very specific moment in Christian church development AND

Maybe in Greece it wasn't looked down upon, but definitely in the rest of the ancient world. All through history homosexuality has been punished. In some places they may have turned a blind eye, that doesn't mean it was seen as OK.

You picking your favourites doesnt make the rest wrong. Doesnt give you some sort of moral high ground, despite what you think.

I didn't claim the moral high ground. All those things you mention that you no control over and are persecuted for are a tragedy. Simple being born into the wrong colour skin or caste meant your life was fucked from the get go.

Heres a real fact for you to ponder, Biological Science also considers homosexuality (at least in mammals) as a failed mutation that hinders evolutionary development, useless for the ultimate purpose of life which is the survival of the species, whatever species... Or does your science explore trans gender immaculate conception as if it is some kind of fairytale miracle?

Interesting. Do you have a source for that? I mean intuitively it sounds correct but perhaps homosexuality is just that. A mutation that serves no purpose that pops up from time to time, at a rate of about 3% by best estimates.

It has happened throughout all of recorded history though so perhaps there is a mechanism at play we don't understand yet or it could be, just like you said, a mutation in the wiring of the brain that happens in-utero or something else.

Just like women and men that are born infertile. How can they exist when they can't propel the species forward?

No science doesn't do immaculate conception. We leave the weird stuff like that to religion.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

No I didn't say religious people are capable of critical thought. I did say they are indoctrinated.

That's 2 separate things.

I didn't say those women weren't indoctrinated. (With what though I don't know. Their lesbian tendencies?) I said they're probably less likely to believe in 'fairy tales' (your words not mine) given the disdain religion, INCLUDING ISLAM (happy?) holds them in. Happy?)



Maybe in Greece it wasn't looked down upon, but definitely in the rest of the ancient world. All through history homosexuality has been punished. In some places they may have turned a blind eye, that doesn't mean it was seen as OK.



I didn't claim the moral high ground. All those things you mention that you no control over and are persecuted for are a tragedy. Simple being born into the wrong colour skin or caste meant your life was fucked from the get go.



Interesting. Do you have a source for that? I mean intuitively it sounds correct but perhaps homosexuality is just that. A mutation that serves no purpose that pops up from time to time, at a rate of about 3% by best estimates.

It has happened throughout all of recorded history though so perhaps there is a mechanism at play we don't understand yet or it could be, just like you said, a mutation in the wiring of the brain that happens in utero.

Just like women and men that are born infertile. How can they exist when they can't propel the species forward?

No science doesn't do immaculate conception. We leave the weird stuff like that to religion.

No, no source, just an understanding of the evolutionary imperative, sheer Darwinis m, survival of the most evolutionary apt trait towards multiplication of species which is nature's (or God's) goal. .. As to why its is a persistent mutation as you postulate is the reason why anthropology sometimes biker on nature over nature when it comes to sexuality and behaviour.. I dont know enough to judge either way, just wanted to throw ambiguity of "fact" into the argument. A "failed" mutation doesn't die, it just deosnt reproduce in nature... that's the very Crux of evolution. I find it very interesting.

 

[Muz]

No, no source, just an understanding of the evolutionary imperative, sheer Darwinis m, survival of the most evolutionary apt trait towards multiplication of species which is nature's (or God's) goal. .. As to why its is a persistent mutation as you postulate is the reason why anthropology sometimes biker on nature over nature when it comes to sexuality and behaviour.. I dont know enough to judge either way, just wanted to throw ambiguity of "fact" into the argument. A "failed" mutation doesn't die, it just deosnt reproduce in nature... that's the very Crux of evolution. I find it very interesting.

Well then you have to accept that homosexuality is a choice.

It is interesting.

Here's what I want to know though. If it's a choice, why, given all the persecution that homosexual people have suffered and still do, why would anyone CHOOSE to be homosexual.

It makes no sense.

I'm coming down on the side of it's a natural occurring thing. Plenty of other animals have been observed in homosexual relationships. It's an interesting filed of science I'll happily admit I'm not across.

 

[Muz]

Just on infertility. How did these people not die out given the rates below? (From chatGPT.) Not being a smart arse here but where's the evolutionary advantage of having so many infertile people?



Question: in a standard first world country what are the rates of infertility for men an women as a % ?


Answer:

Summary (Average in developed countries):

Group	Approx. Infertility Rate*
Men	~7–11%
Women	~12–14%
Overall (lifetime prevalence)	~18%

*These figures are approximate ranges based on population surveys and epidemiological studies in high-income countries.

 

[zimbos05]

So are they bad muslims now?

They are good people. In terms of following the religion, they are not following it. So they are bad at practicing.

Being a good Muslim is not only about being good in character. it is also about following the teachings of the prophet and god (which means no alcohol and no pork). In saying that, we Muslims do not judge the individual. There may be drinking alcohol, but then they stop. It is innate character. Islam provides guidance for that.

You know full well that what Hanson said is that Muslims can't be good people. You know exactly what you and people like Hanson are doing.

Painting all Muslims with a bad brush, then saying, "I know good Muslims, they do all the things that Islam says you shouldn't. Vis a vi, if you don't follow Islam, you are a good person, ergo Islam is the problem". It's smart play on words from the right.

 

[Muz]

They are good people. In terms of following the religion, they are not following it. So they are bad at practicing.

Being a good Muslim is not only about being good in character. it is also about following the teachings of the prophet and god (which means no alcohol and no pork). In saying that, we Muslims do not judge the individual. There may be drinking alcohol, but then they stop. It is innate character. Islam provides guidance for that.

You know full well that what Hanson said is that Muslims can't be good people. You know exactly what you and people like Hanson are doing.

Painting all Muslims with a bad brush, then saying, "I know good Muslims, they do all the things that Islam says you shouldn't. Vis a vi, if you don't follow Islam, you are a good person, ergo Islam is the problem". It's smart play on words from the right.

That fucking pig needs to be shot out of a cannon. First it was Asians, then Muslims, then Africans and now she's pivoted back to Muslims again.

She has the ugliest, blackest heart in Australia.

 

[Beretta]

That fucking pig needs to be shot out of a cannon. First it was Asians, then Muslims, then Africans and now she's pivoted back to Muslims again.

She has the ugliest, blackest heart in Australia.

and yet her popularity is rising.

 

[JS96]

That fucking pig needs to be shot out of a cannon. First it was Asians, then Muslims, then Africans and now she's pivoted back to Muslims again.

She has the ugliest, blackest heart in Australia.

Hanson goes hard and then has her retract statements such as you don't need to be white to be Australian or there are decent muslims who don't speak out.

 

[tsf]

and yet her popularity is rising.

Lot of stupid cunts in Australia with fuck all in their lives because they’re thick and lazy and want to blame someone else.

I’d be pissed if I couldn’t even speak my first language correctly and there’s cunts around me on their 3rd or 4th language doing better than me too.

Morons couldn’t name 3 of her policies. She’s for corporations and wouldn’t piss on the working class.

 

[Muz]

Lot of stupid cunts in Australia with fuck all in their lives because they’re thick and lazy and want to blame someone else.

I’d be pissed if I couldn’t even speak my first language correctly and there’s cunts around me on their 3rd or 4th language doing better than me too.

Morons couldn’t name 3 of her policies. She’s for corporations and wouldn’t piss on the working class.

Don't forget flies around on Gina's private jet, tried to solicit donations from the NRA and is now against hate speech laws that she called for because, ironically, they can be used against her.

And correct, the thick and stupid want to blame immigrants for all their ills and their life's failures instead of billionaires, oligarchs and corporations raping and the bleeding the country dry.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Just on infertility. How did these people not die out given the rates below? (From chatGPT.) Not being a smart arse here but where's the evolutionary advantage of having so many infertile people?



Question: in a standard first world country what are the rates of infertility for men an women as a % ?


Answer:

Summary (Average in developed countries):

Group	Approx. Infertility Rate*
Men	~7–11%
Women	~12–14%
Overall (lifetime prevalence)	~18%

*These figures are approximate ranges based on population surveys and epidemiological studies in high-income countries.

You know there are MANY factors for increasing infertility rates yeah? Diet and environmental conditions being two of the more prominent... Not to mention societal shifts, economical limitations (or at least perceptions of limitations ... third world still has massive problems with overpopulation) access to effective contraception and education around safe sex etc etc... I dont think its an evolutionary advantage to have a declining population AT ALL, I think its is a human intervention on lifestyle.

 

[Muz]

You know there are MANY factors for increasing infertility rates yeah? Diet and environmental conditions being two of the more prominent... Not to mention societal shifts, economical limitations (or at least perceptions of limitations ... third world still has massive problems with overpopulation) access to effective contraception and education around safe sex etc etc... I dont think its an evolutionary advantage to have a declining population AT ALL, I think its is a human intervention on lifestyle.

Of course there's environmental and societal reasons but I'm 100% sure infertility has happened well before humans moved into cities 7000 years ago.

It was an example of something that doesn't have an evolutionary advantage but still occurs.

Counterintuitively infertility can be genetic. Go figure.

The Genetics of Infertility: Current Status of the Field - PMC

Infertility is a relatively common health condition, affecting nearly 7% of all couples. Clinically, it is a highly heterogeneous pathology with a complex etiology that includes environmental and genetic factors. It has been estimated that nearly ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Infertility is a relatively common health condition, affecting nearly 7% of all couples. Clinically, it is a highly heterogeneous pathology with a complex etiology that includes environmental and genetic factors. It has been estimated that nearly 50% of infertility cases are due to genetic defects. Hundreds of studies with animal knockout models convincingly showed infertility to be caused by gene defects, single or multiple. However, despite enormous efforts, progress in translating basic research findings into clinical studies has been challenging. The genetic causes remain unexplained for the vast majority of male or female infertility patients. A particular difficulty is the huge number of candidate genes to be studied; there are more than 2,300 genes expressed in the testis alone, and hundreds of those genes influence reproductive function in humans and could contribute to male infertility. At present, there are only a handful of genes or genetic defects that have been shown to cause, or to be strongly associated with, primary infertility. Yet, with completion of the human genome and progress in personalized medicine, the situation is rapidly changing. Indeed, there are 10-15 new gene tests, on average, being added to the clinical genetic testing list annually.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Well then you have to accept that homosexuality is a choice.

It is interesting.

Here's what I want to know though. If it's a choice, why, given all the persecution that homosexual people have suffered and still do, why would anyone CHOOSE to be homosexual.

It makes no sense.

I'm coming down on the side of it's a natural occurring thing. Plenty of other animals have been observed in homosexual relationships. It's an interesting filed of science I'll happily admit I'm not across.

No thats NOT what Im saying at all... I agree with you that it is NOT a choice, at least not ALWAYS a choice , but a behavioural issue, a matter of psychology as oposed to pure biology.

Sexual intercourse is designed (by nature or by God or a combination of both, you decide) to feel good for a reason... It's intention is to procreate and continue the species. The "push" by nature then is both a behavioural one and a physical sensation one... Why design a waste system with pleasure receptors around the prostate gland....? Fark it make no biological sense what so ever but maybe there is a reason??? I mean our reporductive organs are also used to expell urine for both male and female, maybe its a design flaw that Elon Musk can breed out of us with robots?

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

and yet her popularity is rising.

Sounds like that's not the only thing thats "rising" ... boom chicka wah wah.