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Capitalism when it's gone off the rails.

Muz said:
The 'collective' does build it. The 'collective' is the taxpayer.

But by taxes our resources and billionaires more we could (a) have nicer things or (b) reduce taxes on lower and middle class earners or (c) both.
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Sue but in a communist collective sense labour is free and materials sourced in your own collective are free.

If everything belongs to the state there are no wages to tax Comrade :P .
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Mate you cant talk about "streetwise observations" from the business class lounge or the trade conference meeting room.

The US is a failed state for more than 50% of their population. I have never seen anyone living in a tent in China.
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Mono - I have been going to factory areas around china for years - out the back of bourke so to speak, pretty ordinary places but great at the sametime being around real people and not tourist sites.
I spend alot on the factory floor production lines - hang with the general worker get to know alot.
Not hang in Shanghai/Beijing.
Done north but mostly south - 5/6yrs 2wk stays - walk the streets with my chinese colleagues, get informed whats going on, eat from street stalls, watch families/the wife or grandma sweep the clay floor they live on as their small business but at least have a roof.
Have beautiful small kids run up to me with their hands out/you see poor is poor no matter Muz getting intel from google about health support etc.....
I have gone to dinners wondering of the hygeine - the smells for split grog on the uncleaned carpets - lucky I have a strong stomach.
I've seen those stories where the local CCP kick people out of their homes to build those empty office buildings - re locate people it no matter where the rest of the fam is.
I hear what workers get paid, work like donkeys 6days.
One factory owner I know during those years of "blackouts" he was paying the local CCP good ol cash so they could have limited power to keep production going to pay the bills/salaries etc......
IF CCP wanted where his factory for another project/directive its bye bye piss off we need our land back for something else.

I have not seen anything like above when I travel the USA the last 30+yrs.
Sure I see street poverty and shanky towns - again going to factory areas not the tourist cities/towns.
Ask me about Mexico similar to China but not as bad in some ways.

Just for the record from my "streetwise" perspective.
 
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LFC said:
Mono - I have been going to factory areas around china for years - out the back of bourke so to speak, pretty ordinary places but great at the sametime being around real people and not tourist sites.
I spend alot on the factory floor production lines - hang with the general worker get to know alot.
Not hang in Shanghai/Beijing.
Done north but mostly south - 5/6yrs 2wk stays - walk the streets with my chinese colleagues, get informed whats going on, eat from street stalls, watch families/the wife or grandma sweep the clay floor they live on as their small business but at least have a roof.
Have beautiful small kids run up to me with their hands out/you see poor is poor no matter Muz getting intel from google about health support etc.....
I have gone to dinners wondering of the hygeine - the smells for split grog on the uncleaned carpets - lucky I have a strong stomach.
I've seen those stories where the local CCP kick people out of their homes to build those empty office buildings - re locate people it no matter where the rest of the fam is.
I hear what workers get paid, work like donkeys 6days.
One factory owner I know during those years of "blackouts" he was paying the local CCP good ol cash so they could have limited power to keep production going to pay the bills/salaries etc......
IF CCP wanted where his factroy is for another project/directive its bye bye piss off we need own land back for something else.

I have not seen anything like above when I travel the USA the last 30+yrs.
Sure I see street poverty and shanky towns - again going to factory areas not the tourist cities/towns.
Ask me about Mexico similar to China but not as bad in some ways.

Just for the record from my "streetwise" perspective.
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You misunderstand me mate - China has poverty (And about 800 million more people) Everything you say is true, Ive never had kids ask me for money but rural factories, no shoes, intermittent electricity and questionable hygiene yes agreed... BUT the state provides health care, and housing and drugs and education.... I've never seen a Chinese person (admittedly Ive only been to Hong Kong and Guangzou areas - in all my years never Peking) homeless begging on the street.. Even the poorest are sweeping the roads with a broom or something... Ive seen old men and old ladies on tricyle trucks carrying huge piles of wood on the freeway doing 30kms an hour but they go to a HOME every night... In the US, there are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people sleeping under bridges that cant read or write praying they never need to go to the hospital or their children's children will be paying off the debt.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Sue but in a communist collective sense labour is free and materials sourced in your own collective are free.

If everything belongs to the state there are no wages to tax Comrade :P .
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I'm just saying things can be better. Sure they're good but why can't they be better.

Are rates of homelessness and crime less in Norway than here?

If yes than let's go and see what they do and either copy it or adapt it for us.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Its all relative though isn't it? If billionaires were reasonable they wouldn't try and become trillionaires as you state... Money and Power are powerful motivators, take them away and the end goal can change I reckon.

Should be like the hunger games.... lol
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There can be billionaires, just not multi hundred billionaires. Then, when they're taxed, they could compete against other billionaires as to who has done the most good for the world.

Instead you've got blokes like Bezos flying into space for fun. FFS.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Should be like the hunger games.... lol
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Almost the first thing that happened when Luigi shot that CEO of that insurance fund was all the CEOs of all the other health insurance mobs had their pictures taken down off their websites. They should be afraid after the death and misery they inflict on people. Directly responsible for hundreds, if not thousands, of deaths through lack of care. They're literally serial killers.

Disgusting.

And how's this. You know what happened to United Health care following all this?

They got sued by their shareholders.

www.nbcnews.com

UnitedHealthcare sued by shareholders over reaction to CEO's killing

The group of investors alleged the company misled them by not adjusting its forecast after Brian Thompson was killed.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

The group, which seeks unspecified damages, argues that the public backlash prevented the company from pursuing "the aggressive, anti-consumer tactics that it would need to achieve" its earnings goals.

Fuck a duck. That is grim.
 
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Muz said:
I'm just saying things can be better. Sure they're good but why can't they be better.

Are rates of homelessness and crime less in Norway than here?

If yes than let's go and see what they do and either copy it or adapt it for us.
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Absolutely .... no argument from me. I would steer well away from Sweden and Norway's immigration policy and ridiculous inflation though... Racism bit probably isnt too palatable either.
 
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Muz said:
There can be billionaires, just not multi hundred billionaires. Then, when they're taxed, they could compete against other billionaires as to who has done the most good for the world.

Instead you've got blokes like Bezos flying into space for fun. FFS.
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I get what you mean, but who gets to decide where the acceptable line is drawn?

Is a million dollars enough or 10 million for example? Its all arbitrary. Like I said in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king... If you ask some bloke in Indonesia feeding his 6 kids in a rice paddy on 2-3,000 USD per year, both of us are wasteful, fat cat imperialist pig dogs...
 
Muz said:
Almost the first thing that happened when Luigi shot that CEO of that insurance fund was all the CEOs of all the other health insurance mobs had their pictures taken down off their websites. They should be afraid after the death and misery they inflict on people. Directly responsible for hundreds, if not thousands, of deaths through lack of care. They're literally serial killers.

Disgusting.

And how's this. You know what happened to United Health care following all this?

They got sued by their shareholders.

www.nbcnews.com

UnitedHealthcare sued by shareholders over reaction to CEO's killing

The group of investors alleged the company misled them by not adjusting its forecast after Brian Thompson was killed.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

The group, which seeks unspecified damages, argues that the public backlash prevented the company from pursuing "the aggressive, anti-consumer tactics that it would need to achieve" its earnings goals.

Fuck a duck. That is grim.
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Mate thats EXACTLY what I was saying previously... Shareholders...... in a way directly responsible for the mechanism of their own death.... Maybe they should have invested in real estate instead if they wanted to do real EVIL :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Mate thats EXACTLY what I was saying previously... Shareholders...... in a way directly responsible for the mechanism of their own death.... Maybe they should have invested in real estate instead if they wanted to do real EVIL :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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You're right. It's a shit system they've created. A part fix, something I haven't thought about too much admittedly, is to cap profits on a % scale. Because if they don't shareholders will run for the doors, companies will see capital leave and the economy will collapse.

How this would be done in practice I'm not sure.

It's tricky.
 
Smaller food portions would always mean higher unit prices but I've noticed German supermarkets going hard on large packaging sizes and keeping their solid profitable unit price with it. Just buy and freeze certain items if you can. Shrinkflation is definitely the issue with half a load of bread but 75% of the full loaf price. They're playing a game with people on perishable items.

In saying that there are millions of dumb consumers who buy ready items that have a massive unit price out of convenience. Germans are starting to wake up that a bottle of coke at the kiosk or drug store for 2€ far outweighs the rip off and annoyance of 5€ at some pretentious cafe. Go sit in the park and enjoy your coke.
 
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