Interview with Les Scheinflug

[Monoethnic Social Club]

I know, I should not brag about it, it's not as if I did anything to achieve it, just very fortunate my dear old father decided to emigrate to Australia's no 1 city

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA thanks a needed that Ive had a shit day. hahahahahahahaahahahaha

 

[LFC]

I know, I should not brag about it, it's not as if I did anything to achieve it, just very fortunate my dear old father decided to emigrate to Australia's no 1 city

Hehe go robbos and that it is
Likewise for mine migrating and Sydney it is.

 

[LFC]

It would be no skin off my nose if Australian Rules Football itself died(hell, it’s already dead to me these past 20+ years)..but IMHO it would be a cultural tragedy if its traditional VIC clubs, which have been around since 1858 and indeed pre-date every ️ club on Earth today(w/the exception of Sheffield FC) were to keel over & pop their clogs.

Of course, this is all hypothetically-moot anyway but it’s my way of saying that those clubs should be salvaged into outliving the village-code they were forged in, should it ever come to that.

I get where your coming from a southern perspective - are you telling me without looking up football clubs in the UK Scot weren’t started till after the convicts came to Aus ? Barring Sheffield U ?

Yes one day it will wind back to a village niche code for those future gens here migrants Asian Indian ME won’t be gravitating to afl nor will feel forced to mix to be an Aussie.

 

[grazorblade]

I think calling Japan's style Brazilian is marketing more than substance, they look more like a continental European side to me. I lived in Japan for 3 years, I don't think there is much difference in coaching philosophy with us. Their advantages come from having 60 pro clubs with p and r

It's hard to imitate Brazil, for one thing you would want a participation rate to quadruple so that kids are playing street football everywhere and that is step one (since Europe has a larger participation per capita and don't play like brazil). There are also a bunch of cultural changes that are hard to engineer from the top down
1) reffing would need to get much harsher and there would have to be less hatred of simulation. Technical players thrive if there are less fouls
2) we would need to drop the phrase "luxury player" and be more appreciative of creative players even if they struggle with end product or defensive output.
3) kids would have to be encouraged to try and do stuff too hard for them if that's what they want to do, rather than being "brought down to earth" and taught to learn the simple stuff to learn. If a kid trips over trying to do a rabona or an elastico in a game for example.

Beyond this, we have structural limitations in that the best athletes go to other sports. The best players are those that are technically and athletically strong. Most of our youth are technically neat but athletically mid at best

That's just off the top of my head and still wouldnt get us close to immitating what brazil do since a lot comes from culture which is hard to engineer.

Our initial curriculum was similar to the Dutch in the sense where all continental coaching practices are pretty similar. But it's probably more similar to German than Dutch- for one thing we don't do any slo mo exercises. It's also evolved since it's initial outlook to incorporate some new brittish philosophy. We replaced 4 stages of training witha game intervention game model. Apparently it is being changed again to have a higher emphasis on goal scoring.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Apparently it is being changed again to have a higher emphasis on goal scoring.

Few thats a relief...... Did someone realise that you can't win a match without scoring?

 

[LFC]

I get where your coming from a southern perspective - are you telling me without looking up football clubs in the UK Scot weren’t started till after the convicts came to Aus ? Barring Sheffield U ?

Yes one day it will wind back to a village niche code for those future gens here migrants Asian Indian ME won’t be gravitating to afl nor will feel forced to mix to be an Aussie.

OK BA now I see having goggled my friend

Melbourne is the world's oldest professional club of any football code. Its origins can be traced to an 1858 letter in which Tom Wills, captain of the Victoria cricket team, called for the formation of a "foot-ball club" with its own "code of laws"

Yep long overdue for them to pack up their cazaleys

 

[LFC]

Few thats a relief...... Did someone realise that you can't without it?

haha yer and next we'll have unearthed new up and coming scorers but no attacking mids or feeders lol......

FFS how about teaching attacking play period, going forward, feck these possession stats that cover side and back pass's far far more than in the other half you need to bloody well create and score !

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

OK BA now I see having goggled my friend

Melbourne is the world's oldest professional club of any football code. Its origins can be traced to an 1858 letter in which Tom Wills, captain of the Victoria cricket team, called for the formation of a "foot-ball club" with its own "code of laws"

Yep long overdue for them to pack up their cazaleys

The funny thing is they probably played a combination of football and rugby rules back then.. Have read stories where they played on half touching the ball with hands and one half only feet.... ... Dont tell the AFL bogans though they claim they saw two Aboriginal guys kicking a koala or some such shit. hahahahaha

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

haha yer and next we'll have unearthed new up and coming scorers but no attacking mids or feeders lol......

FFS how about teaching attacking play period, going forward, feck these possession stats that cover side and back pass's far far more than in the other half you need to bloody well create and score !

You just don't UNDERTSAND stats my friend.... you need to keep possession for 90 mins. hahahahahahaha

 

[grazorblade]

Few thats a relief...... Did someone realise that you can't win a match without scoring?

It's not that it wasn't in the last curriculum, it wasn't emphasised enough. Now as lfc suggests, for all we know solving one problem could introduce another. For all the critique of the ntc being Dutch, we actually would have avoided these problems if we cut and pasted word for word a European curriculum rather than innovating

In any case, I doubt ajax, bayern Munich or barca academies follow their national coaching courses word for word. Centralisation is good for enforcing minimum standards, but I think to innovate like the best academies would u need a competitive environment.

 

[LFC]

You just don't UNDERTSAND stats my friend.... you need to keep possession for 90 mins. hahahahahahaha

watch one or 2 of the stat geeks counter and justify keeping possession so much in own half is better than nothing, does apple isle ring a bell hahaha
Yer truth is we lack players who can manage a high press well enough let alone winning back the ball higher up the park, its reset from the back start again and pray the counter presents the chance and IF we take it.

Correct Grazor, change one thing to improve where we are lacking but what about the rest ?!
Then atm we got a coach who doesn't pick one player who can go forward, Arzani.

 

[grazorblade]

watch one or 2 of the stat geeks counter and justify keeping possession so much in own half is better than nothing, does apple isle ring a bell hahaha
Yer truth is we lack players who can manage a high press well enough let alone winning back the ball higher up the park, its reset from the back start again and pray the counter presents the chance and IF we take it.

Correct Grazor, change one thing to improve where we are lacking but what about the rest ?!
Then atm we got a coach who doesn't pick one player who can go forward, Arzani.

The back four and gks in Europe have upskilled lately since presses have gotten better. Even barcas back four now regularly hit accurate long passes (25 a game).

These days the skills poor defenders need to be successful is insane
- good accurate passing range (needed to spread out a press)
- can beat a rushing defender with a good first touch from both feet (needed to discourage the mindless press)
- can dribble when passing lanes are blocked
- can consistently break the first line with a forward pass from both feet

That is before we even get to defending....

 

[LFC]

oh I see it all Grazor agree.
Good CB's have the ball ability to spread the ball open up defense's, VVD has been doing long diagonal balls on the button for years one of his skills whereas some are not as accurate.
It varies above what you quote by the players ability in the first place.
There isn't many complete CB or wide backs but some just are so damn good at say 3 of the 4 you mentioned.
Therefore you have another player who always covers the one discilpine they are iffy at.
Its not rocket science to me.
Defending is pretty much still read the game communication - defending is becoming a fine art at set pieces.

 

[Quicky]

100% Hence why many early Greek and Italian migrants and their families are rusted on AFlLfans to this day.. In a way they HAD to assimilate to survive.

My father in law tells me of lates 50s working life and how, he and a buddy would take the foreman to Collingwood games and shout him a slab (from their meagre funds) every Saturday so that they could get overtime shifts and extra hours.... it was the only way to be accepted.

Collingwood has a lot of Greek fans. I don't see anything wrong with migrants deciding to follow AFL if they want to. It's an awesome game. I know AFL supporters who are just as passionate about supporting Panathinaikos and Liverpool as they are Collingwood. That code war divide seems to cut strong both ways with a lot of people which I reckon is a shame.

 

[Quicky]

Why ive said it’s a cancer in part.
The racism forced many more down there to be rusted on supporters to be accepted correct.
It’s a blue collar game - vic melb is a socialist state might I add and run by the greens You silly buggas
Yer we had it a bit up here not as bad meaning thrown down the throat and dictated here I felt it was more so as Warren wrote being a Sydney bloke Sheila’s Wogs Poofters.
You were a sissy playing football so you’d follow a nrl side - imagine going to football training and I put on a nrl shirt I pleaded poppa to get.

Why I stir up you 3/4 gen - Fark that game.

By the way even though it makes sense that these 2 so called he man codes should have extended their clubs portfolio - fuck them they both have scared many many they don’t deserve our game that they have slandered abused - one day one day in future gens that afl will not be as you see it - football will get on top due to the violence to mummy’s ahead, the hidden racism in towards indigenous - the rorting hiding so much - want it to burn ala a Troy

AFL isn't going anywhere. I've always followed AFL but I do resent the leg up they get from their broadcast deals, government funding but mostly a really favourable media landscape. That said AFL the organisation is much better run.

In Football we complain a lot about AFL as a code. But we don't do ourselves any favours as there is a lot of dysfunction in the various Football organisations in Australia. We need to stop whingeing and get our own house in order.

 

[BA81]

I don't think following the Dutch initially was a bad idea, they’re still one of the best in terms of youth-development and also has shaped FC Barcelona to become the club they are now but like anything is what we learned from them and did we apply it best to our landscape.

It wasnt a bad idea in itself at all, but unfortunately we ended up botching it in terms of what we chose to emphasise about/how we (mis)implemented it; the fact Han Berger had to re-write Rob Baan’s original document into basically a '..For Dummies' version that was supposedly easier for junior coaches to implement was lowkey-embarrassing.

As others have insinuated, it was a major balls-up to completely ditch the ‘w0gb@ll-cocktail’-style of play that the Golden Generation made its own from the ‘91 U20-WC all through to Germany ‘06. We needed to keep what worked from all its components(Balkan, Greek, Italian styles) and fit them around the Dutch template - but ended up throwing out the baby w/the bathwater(an analogy Scheinflug himself used in a magazine-interview about all this, IIRC) instead

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Collingwood has a lot of Greek fans. I don't see anything wrong with migrants deciding to follow AFL if they want to. It's an awesome game. I know AFL supporters who are just as passionate about supporting Panathinaikos and Liverpool as they are Collingwood. That code war divide seems to cut strong both ways with a lot of people which I reckon is a shame.

As does Richmond and Carlton (Big Ange) and Hawthorn.... they are two different sports I dont know why people get so jimmied up over it? Football in this country has so many intenal enemies some soft brains think other sports are the main enemy.....

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

AFL isn't going anywhere. I've always followed AFL but I do resent the leg up they get from their broadcast deals, government funding but mostly a really favourable media landscape. That said AFL the organisation is much better run.

In Football we complain a lot about AFL as a code. But we don't do ourselves any favours as there is a lot of dysfunction in the various Football organisations in Australia. We need to stop whingeing and get our own house in order.

Why resent your neighbour for doing better than yourself?.... work harder to have what he has......

 

[BA81]

I found this ‘mini-match’ vid on YT of the ‘91 Young Socceroos vs Portugal in the U20WC of that year; obv some familiar names in the set-up already, coached by Les Scheinflug himself.

Point being, it’s been said that was the most-cultured(playing style-wise) Oz mens’ squad to date; the Golden Generation was essentially conceived at that tournament. Now I’m showing my age a bit here but it was a few years before my life as a ️ tragic began in earnest, so my to any older heads on here who’ve actual memories of that Oz football era: is that assessment still true as of today, & if so just HOW backwards have we gone? Bc for my part I have the France ‘98 WC quals as my starting-point and my insistence that, the Iran game notwithstanding, it was under El Tel that the NT played its most effectively(def entertaining) I’ve personally seen, w/the Guus era obv 2nd.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

I found this ‘mini-match’ vid on YT of the ‘91 Young Socceroos vs Portugal in the U20WC of that year; obv some familiar names in the set-up already, coached by Les Scheinflug himself.

Point being, it’s been said that was the most-cultured(playing style-wise) Oz mens’ squad to date; the Golden Generation was essentially conceived at that tournament. Now I’m showing my age a bit here but it was a few years before my life as a ️ tragic began in earnest, so my to any older heads on here who’ve actual memories of that Oz football era: is that assessment still true as of today, & if so just HOW backwards have we gone? Bc for my part I have the France ‘98 WC quals as my starting-point and my insistence that, the Iran game notwithstanding, it was under El Tel that the NT played its most effectively(def entertaining) I’ve personally seen, w/the Guus era obv 2nd.

Im not diving into that cesspool, its been done to death and will only be shouted down by the devotees of the new dawn... I honestly dont think it is a case of us going backwards in any sense of the word, more so of not developing systematically at the same pace as the rest of the world.