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[Muz]

When the Beetoota does a better job than all the rest off the media on Australia.

To be fair you do have to wonder where the headlines are for a bloke that filled a jar up with nuts, bolts, ball bearings and a flammable liquid and then turfed it into a crowd. If that's not terrorism then what is?

Instead we get headlines about a bloke arrested for 'hate speech' about jewish people at a rally. What the fuckety fuck?

 

[Muz]

Perth's Invasion Day rally 'explosives' scare hasn't been declared terrorism. Here's why

Identifying ideological motivations behind attacks is critical to separating terrorism from other events just designed to cause fear, an extremism expert told the ABC.

www.abc.net.au

A man allegedly throwing a device packed with ball bearings and screws as well as an explosive liquid into a densely packed crowd seems to have all the hallmarks of a terror attack.



Let's be 100% honest here. If that was turfed into a jewish group of people Sussan Ley, Sky News and the Murdoch rags would have a collective conniption. What the fuck is going on?

Interested in your opinion @grazorblade and anyone else that thinks this is OK. (I don't think you think this is OK grazor. Just highlighting the ridiculous reporting standards in Australia.)

Graffit against jews - ANTISEMITISM, HATE CRIME etct etc

Fucking literal bomb thrown into a group of people - keep calm and carry on.

 

[JS96]

Perth's Invasion Day rally 'explosives' scare hasn't been declared terrorism. Here's why

Identifying ideological motivations behind attacks is critical to separating terrorism from other events just designed to cause fear, an extremism expert told the ABC.

www.abc.net.au

A man allegedly throwing a device packed with ball bearings and screws as well as an explosive liquid into a densely packed crowd seems to have all the hallmarks of a terror attack.



Let's be 100% honest here. If that was turfed into a jewish group of people Sussan Ley, Sky News and the Murdoch rags would have a collective conniption. What the fuck is going on?

Interested in your opinion @grazorblade and anyone else that thinks this is OK. (I don't think you think this is OK grazor. Just highlighting the ridiculous reporting standards in Australia.)

Graffit against jews - ANTISEMITISM, HATE CRIME etct etc

Fucking literal bomb thrown into a group of people - keep calm and carry on.

If anything I looks like WA authorities like to fiddle around with the criteria boxes to downplay incidents.

The bloke from Curtin Uni lays it out clearly from their own academic perspective but that's where the sanity stops as the media will pick and choose and event and call it terrorism at will.

 

[Muz]

If anything I looks like WA authorities like to fiddle around with the criteria boxes to downplay incidents.

The bloke from Curtin Uni lays it out clearly from their own academic perspective but that's where the sanity stops as the media will pick and choose and event and call it terrorism at will.

No mention or question of 'nationality' or religious persuasion I notice.

No wonder blokes like @zimbos05 get the shits.

And rightly so.

FMD. Recall Parliament. Where's Sussan Ley and Sky News 24/7?

And this is a criticism of Albo as well. Where's the rush to get legislation passed, what about a royal commission to look into home grown racism?

Something, mind you, I said here would be money better spent on then some rubbish about antisemitism.

Rudd called for a royal commission into Murdoch and we saw what happened there.

 

[tsf]

Where’s that family guy sketch?

 

[JS96]

No mention or question of 'nationality' or religious persuasion I notice.

No wonder blokes like @zimbos05 get the shits.

And rightly so.

FMD. Recall Parliament. Where's Sussan Ley and Sky News 24/7?

And this is a criticism of Albo as well. Where's the rush to get legislation passed, what about a royal commission to look into home grown racism?

Something, mind you, I said here would be money better spent on then some rubbish about antisemitism.

Rudd called for a royal commission into Murdoch and we saw what happened there.

The Curtin guy makes a fair enough of a point. If investigations show a lack of deep ideological background for this then they won't categorize it as such despite the fact it was a potentially lethal item. These are legal and academic matters that won't consider the general public's viewpoint.

I think they should release all the information. Why are they keeping the identity a secret. What do they know that we don't? It's interesting because Germany is the reverse. Any German mucking up is immediately put across screens while dodgy foreigners are not revealed until the last, often out of societal and political pressure.

 

[tsf]

The Curtin guy makes a fair enough of a point. If investigations show a lack of deep ideological background for this then they won't categorize it as such despite the fact it was a potentially lethal item.

But it's allright to call every other incident an anti-semitic or anti-semitic terrorist incident?

 

[HonestSpursFan]

Perth's Invasion Day rally 'explosives' scare hasn't been declared terrorism. Here's why

Identifying ideological motivations behind attacks is critical to separating terrorism from other events just designed to cause fear, an extremism expert told the ABC.

www.abc.net.au

A man allegedly throwing a device packed with ball bearings and screws as well as an explosive liquid into a densely packed crowd seems to have all the hallmarks of a terror attack.



Let's be 100% honest here. If that was turfed into a jewish group of people Sussan Ley, Sky News and the Murdoch rags would have a collective conniption. What the fuck is going on?

Interested in your opinion @grazorblade and anyone else that thinks this is OK. (I don't think you think this is OK grazor. Just highlighting the ridiculous reporting standards in Australia.)

Graffit against jews - ANTISEMITISM, HATE CRIME etct etc

Fucking literal bomb thrown into a group of people - keep calm and carry on.

No mention or question of 'nationality' or religious persuasion I notice.

No wonder blokes like @zimbos05 get the shits.

And rightly so.

FMD. Recall Parliament. Where's Sussan Ley and Sky News 24/7?

And this is a criticism of Albo as well. Where's the rush to get legislation passed, what about a royal commission to look into home grown racism?

Something, mind you, I said here would be money better spent on then some rubbish about antisemitism.

Rudd called for a royal commission into Murdoch and we saw what happened there.

There's no need to play down antisemitism to make the correct point that bombing people is bad. As for whether it's a terrorist attack: a terrorist attack is defined as an attack based on ideological, political or religious views (e.g the Port Arthur shooting was not a terrorist attack because it was just a random idiot with a gun) and is only confirmed as such after an intelligence or police investigation. In the first hour or two after the Bondi shooting the media didn't call it a terrorist attack and then they did after it was confirmed (even though it was pretty obvious).

 

[JS96]

But it's allright to call every other incident an anti-semitic or anti-semitic terrorist incident?

No. Like the word 'racist' it has lost its meaning. Many complaints by those claiming to be a victim are just laughable. This goes for all groups.

 

[zimbos05]

There's no need to play down antisemitism to make the correct point that bombing people is bad. As for whether it's a terrorist attack: a terrorist attack is defined as an attack based on ideological, political or religious views (e.g the Port Arthur shooting was not a terrorist attack because it was just a random idiot with a gun) and is only confirmed as such after an intelligence or police investigation. In the first hour or two after the Bondi shooting the media didn't call it a terrorist attack and then they did after it was confirmed (even though it was pretty obvious).

It's interesting how everyone becomes so rational when a white person commits an attack. There have been multiple studies that prove the disparity in reporting of attacks, and the selective use of words and language dependent on race or ethnicity.

You did not include the full definition though. Terrorist attack is defined as the use of violence or threat of violence against civilians, property, or infrastructure, intended to advance a political, religious, or ideological cause while coercing a government or intimidating the public.

I bolded the parts you missed out on, and italicised the parts that this attack falls under.

It was a bomb, planned and thrown at an Invasion Day rally. An even rooted deep in politics. I hardly think he was throwing it at this event not to make a political point. He also threw it in a public gathering presenting a very clear motive to intimidate the public. This is pretty obviously -by the definition- a terrorist attack,

 

[JS96]

There's no need to play down antisemitism to make the correct point that bombing people is bad. As for whether it's a terrorist attack: a terrorist attack is defined as an attack based on ideological, political or religious views (e.g the Port Arthur shooting was not a terrorist attack because it was just a random idiot with a gun) and is only confirmed as such after an intelligence or police investigation. In the first hour or two after the Bondi shooting the media didn't call it a terrorist attack and then they did after it was confirmed (even though it was pretty obvious).

It's like a lot of crimes. We all agree they're bad but then there are degrees and subcategories. The legal and academic world have ways of sorting them as such and if we don't have that background ourselves the reasoning may seem baffling but also may be right or wrongly done.

I don't get how a bloke in Hannover murdered a woman at the city lake and hacked her body into pieces and was released after 12 years only to be rearrested 4 months later after threatening to cut his new bird's finger off in order to access her phone. How the hell can any decent country have people like this roaming around?

 

[HonestSpursFan]

It's interesting how everyone becomes so rational when a white person commits an attack. There have been multiple studies that prove the disparity in reporting of attacks, and the selective use of words and language dependent on race or ethnicity.

You did not include the full definition though. Terrorist attack is defined as the use of violence or threat of violence against civilians, property, or infrastructure, intended to advance a political, religious, or ideological cause while coercing a government or intimidating the public.

I bolded the parts you missed out on, and italicised the parts that this attack falls under.

It was a bomb, planned and thrown at an Invasion Day rally. An even rooted deep in politics. I hardly think he was throwing it at this event not to make a political point. He also threw it in a public gathering presenting a very clear motive to intimidate the public. This is pretty obviously -by the definition- a terrorist attack,

I think the clear difference is the toll of casualties. You can't just say "Bondi wasn't bad but this was" when one killer 15 people and the other didn't. As for white people and rationale, nobody was rational about Christchurch which was done by a white guy.

It's like a lot of crimes. We all agree they're bad but then there are degrees and subcategories. The legal and academic world have ways of sorting them as such and if we don't have that background ourselves the reasoning may seem baffling but also may be right or wrongly done.

I don't get how a bloke in Hannover murdered a woman at the city lake and hacked her body into pieces and was released after 12 years only to be rearrested 4 months later after threatening to cut his new bird's finger off in order to access her phone. How the hell can any decent country have people like this roaming around?

Sentencing can sometimes be fucked. It's mildly fucked in most Western countries compared to the US. For example we all know about Jeffery Epstein in America. His first sentence was only 13 months in jail (most of which he didn't serve in jail) per a Florida court case in 2008. Elites including politicians and royals associated with this guy, including Donald Trump as recently as 2004. Same goes for Diddy (another one of Trump's buddies who he might pardon) only getting four years.

 

[JS96]

It's interesting how everyone becomes so rational when a white person commits an attack. There have been multiple studies that prove the disparity in reporting of attacks, and the selective use of words and language dependent on race or ethnicity.

You did not include the full definition though. Terrorist attack is defined as the use of violence or threat of violence against civilians, property, or infrastructure, intended to advance a political, religious, or ideological cause while coercing a government or intimidating the public.

I bolded the parts you missed out on, and italicised the parts that this attack falls under.

It was a bomb, planned and thrown at an Invasion Day rally. An even rooted deep in politics. I hardly think he was throwing it at this event not to make a political point. He also threw it in a public gathering presenting a very clear motive to intimidate the public. This is pretty obviously -by the definition- a terrorist attack,

Absolutely it meets the definition of a terror attack. So what now? There will be other academics who agree with this. Why don't we have them front the commissioner. Have him spit out his exact words again and debunk it. The language used is an issue but that shouldn't permit a veiling of the barbarity of such attacks. That's another unfortunate tool in the thought police glossary of the German public broadcaster. They had a glossary discovered that absolutely distorts how bad things are.

It's the same everywhere. Anyone who is from somewhere different is branded a terrorist as it shakes up the current make up of the society whereas a local is considered some idiot who went rogue. There are academic, media and societal definitions of things. We surely don't start clamping down on that speech as well. It's a risky road and the best we can educate the next generation on is that they have the freedom to dismiss rubbish reporting.

 

[Muz]

I think the clear difference is the toll of casualties. You can't just say "Bondi wasn't bad but this was" when one killer 15 people and the other didn't. As for white people and rationale, nobody was rational about Christchurch which was done by a white guy.


Sentencing can sometimes be fucked. It's mildly fucked in most Western countries compared to the US. For example we all know about Jeffery Epstein in America. His first sentence was only 13 months in jail (most of which he didn't serve in jail) per a Florida court case in 2008. Elites including politicians and royals associated with this guy, including Donald Trump as recently as 2004. Same goes for Diddy (another one of Trump's buddies who he might pardon) only getting four years.

The only reason the 'toll' wasn't as high or higher was sheer dumb luck.

The absolute silence around this premeditated, call it whatever you want, bomb attack is a fucking disgrace.

Old mate went down there to blow up a bunch of black fellas and their supporters. He took a literal bomb. How much worse could it be?

How and why this isn't splashed all over the news 24/7 boggles my mind.

 

[HonestSpursFan]

The only reason the 'toll' wasn't as high or higher was sheer luck.

The absolute silence around this premeditated, call it whatever you want, bomb attack is a fucking disgrace.

Old mate went down there to blow up a bunch of black fellas and their supporters. He took a literal bomb. How much worse could it be?

How and why this isn't splashed all over the news 24/7 boggles my mind.

"A bunch of Blackfellas and their supporters" lol they were pretty much all white. We get it, bombs are bad and the guy should be in jail. But it's not comparable to two guys with guns carrying out a planned attack on Jews. If it was the other way around it would be the same.

The idea that "Jews control the media" is an antisemitic conspiracy theory and something so harmful it inspired Adolf Hitler. No I am not Jewish but my grandparents fled World War II. Criticising Zionism and Judaism is okay e.g I think it's pretty fucking weird that brit milah still exists but I'm not out here abusing Jews based on their religion.

 

[Muz]

There's no need to play down antisemitism to make the correct point that bombing people is bad. As for whether it's a terrorist attack: a terrorist attack is defined as an attack based on ideological, political or religious views (e.g the Port Arthur shooting was not a terrorist attack because it was just a random idiot with a gun) and is only confirmed as such after an intelligence or police investigation. In the first hour or two after the Bondi shooting the media didn't call it a terrorist attack and then they did after it was confirmed (even though it was pretty obvious).

What's the bigger threat to social cohesion in Australia.?

Antisemitism or rank outright racism spouted my Murdoch and co towards millions of our fellow Australians?

What's more dangerous to multicultural Australia? Jews with, admittedly, fair grievances or millions of Australians being dog whistled at and ostracised because they're the wrong skin colour?

I know which one is more of an existential threat to Australia and it's not the former.

Where's that royal commission? That's right we don't have Israel in the government's ear haranguing them about racism in Australia.

 

[Muz]

"A bunch of Blackfellas and their supporters" lol they were pretty much all white. We get it, bombs are bad and the guy should be in jail. But it's not comparable to two guys with guns carrying out a planned attack on Jews. If it was the other way around it would be the same.

The idea that "Jews control the media" is an antisemitic conspiracy theory and something so harmful it inspired Adolf Hitler. No I am not Jewish but my grandparents fled World War II. Criticising Zionism and Judaism is okay e.g I think it's pretty fucking weird that brit milah still exists but I'm not out here abusing Jews based on their religion.

Are you serious, you're saying because they were 'predominantly white', which isn't true, that makes it somehow not as bad?

You tell me with a straight face if this bomb was thrown in amongst a collection of Jewish people this wouldn't have been absolutely friggin everywhere. Probably with Netanyahu and his ambassador screaming at the PM to do something quick sticks.

FFS.

Yeah yeah they don't control the media. Ask Angela Lattouf about that.

FWIW they probably don't but they have a disproportionate impact on the media here. Ita Buttrose and plenty of others will happily confirm this.

And do we have lobby groups in Israel paying for politicians to go on junkets to Australia. Do we have non government organisations there lobbying the government in their country on Australia's behalf influencing their policy?

Give me a break.

AIJAC - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I wonder when the AFP are going to come knocking on my door after I post this.

 

[zimbos05]

I think the clear difference is the toll of casualties. You can't just say "Bondi wasn't bad but this was" when one killer 15 people and the other didn't. As for white people and rationale, nobody was rational about Christchurch which was done by a white guy.

What? The definition has nothing to do with casualties. They are both terrorist attacks. This is quite simple. You are literally moving the goalposts. Not one person said Bondi wasn't bad.

One event and you think that's enough evidence..

In 2018 a study found that attacks committed by Muslims receive, on average, 357% more press coverage in the US than those committed by non-Muslims.

Uni of Melb study found that terms like "terrorist" or "terrorism" applied 9 times more frequently when the perpetrator is Muslim compared to when they are white or far-right.

In the U.S. between 2008 and 2016, white/right-wing terrorists carried out nearly twice as many attacks as Muslim extremists, yet received far less coverage.

We've been dealing with it our whole life. Heck, I once had an editor tell me, "certain language for certain groups. It helps shape opinion. It's not our job if people believe us"

Also, as someone who spent about 10 years in the media, you're pretty naive if you think Zionist don't have a massive stake in media and how it operates.

 

[JS96]

What? The definition has nothing to do with casualties. They are both terrorist attacks. This is quite simple. You are literally moving the goalposts. Not one person said Bondi wasn't bad.

One event and you think that's enough evidence..

In 2018 a study found that attacks committed by Muslims receive, on average, 357% more press coverage in the US than those committed by non-Muslims.

Uni of Melb study found that terms like "terrorist" or "terrorism" applied 9 times more frequently when the perpetrator is Muslim compared to when they are white or far-right.

In the U.S. between 2008 and 2016, white/right-wing terrorists carried out nearly twice as many attacks as Muslim extremists, yet received far less coverage.

We've been dealing with it our whole life. Heck, I once had an editor tell me, "certain language for certain groups. It helps shape opinion. It's not our job if people believe us"

Also, as someone who spent about 10 years in the media, you're pretty naive if you think Zionist don't have a massive stake in media and how it operates.

Your last sentence is something we've known forevermore. The sooner the next generation question and boycott such media, the quicker these ideas can fade. Unfortunately the news media is funded and interconnected with so much society consumes that the money is there for them to spread their garbage.

 

[HonestSpursFan]

Are you serious, you're saying because they were 'predominantly white', which isn't true, that makes it somehow not as bad?

You tell me with a straight face if this bomb was thrown in amongst a collection of Jewish people this wouldn't have been absolutely friggin everywhere. Probably with Netanyahu and his ambassador screaming at the PM to do something quick sticks.

FFS.

Yeah yeah they don't control the media. Ask Angela Lattouf about that.

FWIW they probably don't but they have a disproportionate impact on the media here. Ita Buttrose and plenty of others will happily confirm this.

And do we have lobby groups in Israel paying for politicians to go on junkets to Australia. Do we have non government organisations there lobbying the government in their country on Australia's behalf influencing their policy?

Give me a break.

AIJAC - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I wonder when the AFP are going to come knocking on my door after I post this.

Why are we conflating Zionism with Judaism/Jews in 2026? Lemme guess, you read the Protocols and thought it was doctrine? And they were mostly white. From lived experience most Indigenous people don't give a shit about "Invasion Day".

This feels like a Reddit thread.