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melbcityguy said:
PJ any insight into what's happened at mariners? You guys were killing it for years and the wheels have come off now
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From an outsider's view, even at their best on and off field, they struggled financially more than others. Most clubs are struggling financially because of the cut back broadcast distributions, so it's not via CCM incompetence.

Then on pitch, their best players were poached. And again, all clubs except City are basically letting any player go to counter the loss of broadcast $$$.

They needed the best people just to survive. Who they have at the club going forward... who knows what will happen?

Then there's the CCM guy who pinched government funds/facilities for himself. Hopefully someone here can tell that story better than I could.
 
melbcityguy said:
PJ any insight into what's happened at mariners? You guys were killing it for years and the wheels have come off now
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Peil decimated the squad ( and also the academy). These have all gone since the beginning of Monty's 6-1 GF team

FW Abdelelah Faisal Al-karma
FW Alou Kuol Western Sydney Wandrerers
FW Ángel Torres Dynamo Kyiv
FW Aydan Hammond Western Sydney Wandrerers
FW BĂ©ni Nkololo Al Oroubah
DF Brian Kaltak Perth
DF Cameron Windust Marconi Stallions
DF Dan Hall Auckland FC
GK Danny Vukovic Retired
FW Dor Jok Melbourne Sharks
FW Dylan Wenzel-Halls Penang FC
FW Garang Kuol Newcastle United
GK Jack Warshawsky Oakleigh Cannon
DF Jacob Farrell Portsmouth
MF James Bayliss Marconi Stallions
DF James McGarry Aberdeen
FW Jason Cummings Mohun Bagan
FW Jing Reec Aarhus GF
MF Josh Nisbet Ross County
DF Kelechi John B Sad
MF Lachlan Bayliss Newcastle Jets
MF Maksim Kasalovic Apia-Leichhardt
FW Marco TĂșlio Kyoyo Sanga
MF Max Balard NAC Breda
FW Michael Ruhs Western United
DF Mikael Doka Ventforet Kofu
FW Moresche Naft Al-Basra
DF Nectarios Triantis Sunderland
DF Noah Smith Adelaide City
FW Olayinka Sunmola Mt Druit Town
FW Paul Ayongo Heperange
FW Ronald Barcellos Portimonense
FW Samuel Silvera Middlesborough
DF Sasha Kuzevski Unattached
DF Thomas Aquilina Newcastle Jets
FW Vitor Feijao Kapaz
MF William Wilson Vaasan Palloseura
GK Yaren Sözer St George FA
DF Zac Zoricich Sydney Olympic

I think the money that went missing was the $10million given to the club as a Regional grant. An election happened and the 'regional' money was redirected by Tony Abbott went to that 'regional' ground of Brookvale Oval.
 
patjennings said:
Peil decimated the squad ( and also the academy). These have all gone since the beginning of Monty's 6-1 GF team

FW Abdelelah Faisal Al-karma
FW Alou Kuol Western Sydney Wandrerers
FW Ángel Torres Dynamo Kyiv
FW Aydan Hammond Western Sydney Wandrerers
FW BĂ©ni Nkololo Al Oroubah
DF Brian Kaltak Perth
DF Cameron Windust Marconi Stallions
DF Dan Hall Auckland FC
GK Danny Vukovic Retired
FW Dor Jok Melbourne Sharks
FW Dylan Wenzel-Halls Penang FC
FW Garang Kuol Newcastle United
GK Jack Warshawsky Oakleigh Cannon
DF Jacob Farrell Portsmouth
MF James Bayliss Marconi Stallions
DF James McGarry Aberdeen
FW Jason Cummings Mohun Bagan
FW Jing Reec Aarhus GF
MF Josh Nisbet Ross County
DF Kelechi John B Sad
MF Lachlan Bayliss Newcastle Jets
MF Maksim Kasalovic Apia-Leichhardt
FW Marco TĂșlio Kyoyo Sanga
MF Max Balard NAC Breda
FW Michael Ruhs Western United
DF Mikael Doka Ventforet Kofu
FW Moresche Naft Al-Basra
DF Nectarios Triantis Sunderland
DF Noah Smith Adelaide City
FW Olayinka Sunmola Mt Druit Town
FW Paul Ayongo Heperange
FW Ronald Barcellos Portimonense
FW Samuel Silvera Middlesborough
DF Sasha Kuzevski Unattached
DF Thomas Aquilina Newcastle Jets
FW Vitor Feijao Kapaz
MF William Wilson Vaasan Palloseura
GK Yaren Sözer St George FA
DF Zac Zoricich Sydney Olympic

I think the money that went missing was the $10million given to the club as a Regional grant. An election happened and the 'regional' money was redirected by Tony Abbott went to that 'regional' ground of Brookvale Oval.
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To be fair Gosford isn’t really regional either. Regional is like not major cities.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
To be fair Gosford isn’t really regional either. Regional is like not major cities.
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So the Central Coast should miss out on big city infrastructure, regional infrastructure and rural infrastructure structure. The Central Coast is mainly forest and farmland. Not just the small towns clinging to the coasts and lakes. I
 
patjennings said:
So the Central Coast should miss out on big city infrastructure, regional infrastructure and rural infrastructure structure. The Central Coast is mainly forest and farmland. Not just the small towns clinging to the coasts and lakes. I
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No, no. I’m not saying that at all. But a "regional" grant would be more useful for somewhere like Coffs Harbour or Port Macquarie don't you think? Gosford should be getting metropolitan grants which would likely be even more money since metropolitan grants serve a larger population.
 
HonestSpursFan said:
No, no. I’m not saying that at all. But a "regional" grant would be more useful for somewhere like Coffs Harbour or Port Macquarie don't you think? Gosford should be getting metropolitan grants which would likely be even more money since metropolitan grants serve a larger population.
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We were part of Sydney in some areas when considered like that. We get nothing now. BTW another 'regional grant' was spent upgrading North Sydney pool
 
patjennings said:
We are part of Sydney in some areas when considered like that. Money for Sydney goes to Western Sydney mostly. We get nothing. BTW another 'regional grant' was spent upgrading North Sydney pool
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Yeah exactly you should be getting funded at least some of what Western Sydney gets. Don't take regional grants away from regional areas when you could be getting metropolitan grants.

I think a lot of it is to do with Western Sydney not only having a large and growing population and being very multicultural but also because it's such a battleground for both major parties. However, the Central Coast is also a battleground so there would still be political gain in them investing in the Central Coast.

Got nothing against either leader or state (not federal) party in NSW at the moment by the way I should note (personally I prefer the Liberals though).
 
HonestSpursFan said:
Yeah exactly you should be getting funded at least some of what Western Sydney gets. Don't take regional grants away from regional areas when you could be getting metropolitan grants.

I think a lot of it is to do with Western Sydney not only having a large and growing population and being very multicultural but also because it's such a battleground for both major parties. However, the Central Coast is also a battleground so there would still be political gain in them investing in the Central Coast.

Got nothing against either leader or state (not federal) party in NSW at the moment by the way I should note (personally I prefer the Liberals though).
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I have a set against Northern Sydney and hence do not trust Abbott. I think it stems from how Manly screwed the Bears when the Central Coast Bears were going to be a team here. Then the regional grant to Manly at his behest.

As a political aside, when I was growing up we were gifted as kids 2 prop swords from the Sydney Uni performances of Pirates of Penzance. One was from Michael Maher - later ALP member for Lowe and the other was from Bronwyn Bishop.
 
patjennings said:
I have a set against Northern Sydney and hence do not trust Abbott. I think it stems from how Manly screwed the Bears when the Central Coast Bears were going to be a team here. Then the regional grant to Manly at his behest.
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I guess you have a set against me then as I live in Warringah which was Tony Abbott's seat. 😂
 
I found a link to an old 442 article about the 15 bids from the 2018 expansion, but the link was dead. However, I found a copy/paste of it on the CCM forum, so I'll paste it here as well in case it gets lost again (I'll include the poster's comments on the bids too). Certainly a few in there I didn't know about.

CAMPBELLTOWN - 50 kilometres south-west of Sydney's CBD, a NSW bid based at the 20,000 capacity Campbelltown Sports Stadium. Backed by billionaire property developer Lang Walker with Brett Emerton as Bid Ambassador.
I must admit I have a bias for this one as I am a former Chairman of Macarthur Rams. However, geographically it would be an ideal contender. The Macarthur area is a rapidly expanding region, locked in between Badgery`s creek airport (Penrith),Western Sydney,Sutherland & Wollongong.
It already has a 20,000 capacity stadium located next to Leumeah railway station and is only a minute drive from the M5 freeway. The Macarthur Rams are currently in NPL2 & the local Association boasts over 11,000 registered players. Bid ambassador Brett Emmerton is a local lad as is ex socceroos David Carney,Matt Thompson & Paul Reid.Current Matildas player Alanna Kennedy is also a local along with ex Matildas Heather Garriock & Sarah Walsh just to name a few.
This could be the dark horse of the submissions as they are located far enough away from Sydney FC (1Hr) & Wanderers (1hr) & also Wollongong (1hr) if that bid is successful.
SOUTH-WEST SYDNEY - Based in Liverpool, west of Sydney. A new A-League bid aiming to take advantage of South-West Sydney's growing population, infrastructure projects and city planning.
Basically a bid by Southern Districts Football Association. Although Liverpool is growing as a business centre, there is no stadium there as yet. The location is classed as part of western Sydney so there would be some conflict there as well as with Sydney FC which is only about 40mins away.

SOUTHERN EXPANSION - Aiming to represent the Sutherland, St George and Illawarra regions, will play its home games at three separate venues. Backed by a Chinese / Hong Kong-based investor.
An interesting submission. From all accounts a new stadium is to be built at Loftus to accomodate the franchise. Money seems to be no object. This is a strong football community with NPL clubs Sutherland , Rockdale Suns & Wollongong Wolves within it`s catchment area as well as many NPL2 & 3 clubs.
The location would be the biggest drawback though, with it`s close proximity to Sydney FC (30mins). If accepted it would almost certainly be the death-knell for Wollongong as a stand alone ALeague club.
WOLLONGONG WOLVES - Another former NSL heavyweight led by CEO Chris Papakosmas, based at 18,000 capacity WIN Stadium. Adam Federici is Bid Ambassador.
A similar region to our own in size & population & a former successful NSL club. It already has it`s stadium (beside the beach) at Wollongong & is close to rail /road transport. Wollongong is also seen as the regional centre of southeast NSW & as such has a huge catchment area extending down to the border. An ideal location (1hr) from Sydney FC, ( 2hrs) from Wanderers & 45mins from Macarthur. A sentimental favourite.

TASMANIA

TASMANIA UNITED - Backed by former Victory shareholders Robert Belteky and Harry Stamoulis, currently based at 18,000-capacity North Hobart Oval with tentative government plans for rectangular stadium.
This bid stands alone, as it is a would give Tasmania it`s only National football league sport & would spread the football brand into a new frontier.With the whole state as the catchment area, a population of over 500,000 people & the support of the State Government this will be a strong bid.


SOUTH AUSTRALIA

ADELAIDE 11 - Backed by former NSL club Adelaide City despite their previous uncertainty over viability and based out of West Adelaide, reportedly aiming to play at Cooper's Stadium.
Another former NSL club seeking admission to the A League. This appears to be one of the weaker bids with Adelaide City seeking to share Adelaide United`s ground. Not sure of it`s financial capacity but with Damien Mori involved anything is possible.

QUEENSLAND
BRISBANE CITY - The only Brisbane-based bid due to Brisbane Strikers' withdrawal. Led by former politician and CEO Robert Cavalucci, based at 19,000 capacity Ballymore Stadium.
Whist Queensland deserve another team due to the Roar`s success i`m not sure this is the one we need. Very little information other than the ground location.

GOLD COAST UNITED - Former A-League club that had its licence revoked in 2012 under the former ownership of Clive Palmer, based at 27,000 capacity Robina Stadium.
The Gold Coast is a very strong football community with well established local clubs.
It`s a large,well populated area with a fantastic Stadium.The biggest plus for this bid is that Clive Palmer has nothing to do with it.
WESTERN PRIDE - Provisional Ipswich bid launched by Queensland NPL club Western Pride, currently based at 5,000 capacity North Ipswich Reserve.
Could this be the Wanderers Queensland style? A successful NPL side with players currently feeding into the Roar & Mariners. The stadium would need to be upgraded as it only has a limited capacity & is shared with the local rugby league team.With a projected population of 430,000 by 2031 it may be a bit ambitious & premature at this stage.

AUSTRALIAN CAPITAL TERRITORY

CANBERRA - Another late bid, unrevealed whether it has direct links with W-League side Canberra United. Canberra based backers, based at 25,000 capacity Canberra Stadium.
Canberra would be good for the A League as it`s a single city bid with Territory Govt backing & a large catchment area.The biggest drawback though would be it`s perceived isolation, but with a very strong WSL team it could be a goer.

WESTERN AUSTRALIA

FREMANTLE CITY - Reportedly sharing Perth Glory's 20,000 capacity nib Stadium and launched separately to existing W.A NPL club Fremantle City.

A real roughie. Whilst Perth could handle another team I don`t think the FFA will look favourably on this bid. A shared stadium with Glory isn`t ideal & Fremantle City taking the title from another club doesn`t look good

VICTORIA

TEAM 11 - Dandenong-based bid represented by local councillors and former Herald Sun journalist Matt Windley. Provisional plans for a boutique stadium next to Dandenong Station.
No stadium as yet & very little information?

SOUTH MELBOURNE - Former NSL heavyweights and four-time national champions, the Oceania Club of the Century is based at the 12,000 capacity Lakeside Stadium.
Probably one of the favourites for inclusion. SM is a former NSL club with a large following.Their inclusion could breakdown some of the divisions between the old NSL & the A League.They have the money,the basis of a team & have a stadium (abeit in need of an upgrade) only problem is they also play in blue.

WEST MELBOURNE - Reportedly the relocation of a Geelong-based bid to represent Melbourne's western suburbs, sparked interest by announcing it could fund its own A-League stadium.
Another serious contender with plenty of money apparently.Not sure where they would play whilst the stadium is being built. I wonder if they play in blue?

BELGRAVIA LEISURE - Geoff Lord's late-bid for an A-League club based in inner Melbourne, stadium plans yet to be announced.
No Idea about this one
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Also, the shattered Team 11 community:

Up until at least last Wednesday, Team 11 – the bid comprising of a joint initiative of the Greater Dandenong, City of Casey and Cardinia Shire councils – was tipped to be the Melbourne-based bid to join the competition, ahead of Western Melbourne and South Melbourne.
Team 11 had garnered support from over 55 local sporting clubs and 12 different local councils in the south-east of Victoria, with affiliated clubs from Knox to Traralgon, Aspendale to Mornington and elsewhere all putting their support behind the bid. Supporters of the Team 11 bid were shattered.
Greater Dandenong councillor Jim Memeti, as one of the driving forces, said it was a “missed opportunity”.
“It’s really disappointing. There’s a lot of hard work put into this.
“We’ve been talking about this for the last two-three years, how good it would be to have a community club in the A-League.
“There’s no professional football code in this area – whether it’s AFL, rugby or soccer.
“This area is screaming out for something like this.”
Cr Memeti wasn’t sure if the region would mount a repeat “grass-roots” campaign if more licences open up.
“Will the investors be still around? Will the other councils be on board? There will be a lot of questions.
“I think we’ve lost the opportunity now.”
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dandenong.starcommunity.com.au

Shock for Team 11

The A-League will officially expand to 12 teams by 2020/21, however Team 11 will not be joining the national competition after Football Federation Australia (FFA) announced last Thursday that the south-east bid would not be part of the initial expansion process. In what is a major shock, the...
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www.foxsports.com.au

Casey Fields earmarked as training base ‘makes sense’ if Team 11 wins A-League licence

Casey training base if Team 11 bid gains traction
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HappyGuus said:
I found a link to an old 442 article about the 15 bids from the 2018 expansion, but the link was dead. However, I found a copy/paste of it on the CCM forum, so I'll paste it here as well in case it gets lost again (I'll include the poster's comments on the bids too). Certainly a few in there I didn't know about.
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"They also play in blue" What a flimsy reason to REJECT the bid!

In any case they were Goldilocks blue. Not too Dark ... Not to Light ... juuussssttt righ!
 
HappyGuus said:
I found a link to an old 442 article about the 15 bids from the 2018 expansion, but the link was dead. However, I found a copy/paste of it on the CCM forum, so I'll paste it here as well in case it gets lost again (I'll include the poster's comments on the bids too). Certainly a few in there I didn't know about.
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Im pretty sure I've got the magazine in physical copy somewhere.. Ill see if I can dig it out and scan it for you.
 
Flashback time, 2019. David Davutovic takes a look at the rejected bids from 2018 to see which ones are still looking to join A-League or NST. Some of the comments from the clubs:


1 Brisbane City remains very committed to exploring A-League and National Second Division. Queensland needed a second team and a new stadium, with a redeveloped Ballymore and a new boutique stadium among the options that have been discussed. Our current 4000-capacity Spencer Park home, which has 20 corporate boxes, can expand and is ideal for a second division.

2 Canberra. We are still very much alive and pressing ahead and we want to be the next team in the A-League.
We’ve got international football investors that would bring next level expertise to the A-League. They see Australia as a stepping stone into Asia. We haven’t lacked money. Discussions are advanced for an iconic new 20-30,000-seat stadium, with Parliament House in the background, modelled on Bankwest Stadium – it’ll definitely happen. It will be a whole precinct with hotels, shops and a casino. One of the triggers (for it to be built) is for a summertime tenant.

3 Fremantle City. WA’s lone A-League expansion bid revealed that he is starting a new consortium, albeit with the same aim – getting Fremantle City into the A-League. The club in its own right won’t pursue any further bids, or any interest in a second division participation. A new consortium made up of consultants who worked on one of the last successful bids, with the view of being part of a Fremantle Oval redevelopment, as the successful bids were underpinned by a real estate deal that made the $20 million license fee paid pale into insignificance compared to the upside of the development profits.

4 Gold Coast United. There’s still ambition to rejoin the A-League. We don’t know what’s going to happen with further expansion and where the B-League is at. There’s plenty of clubs up here putting their hands up for expansion – Brisbane City, Brisbane Strikers, Ipswich, even Gold Coast Knights have been making a few noises about A-League. They own their own ground, which helps.

5 South Melbourne stands ready to participate at the top level of football in Australia. We are big supporters of pathway football hence we welcome the B-League or Championship.

6 SOUTH-EAST VICTORIA. “The A-League has to have a team based in South East Melbourne,” bid spokesman Matt Windley said. Windley says planning for a boutique stadium next to Dandenong Train Station has continued despite the bid missing out last year, while work at the Casey Fields football precinct, which was the mooted training base, has continued. Asked about the prospect of funding for the ground - a sticking point in 2018 - Windley said: “We wouldn’t have kept going if we knew it was no chance.” On the second division, he added: “We’re interested in anything that sees this region provided the professional men’s and women’s football club it deserves.”

7 Southern Expansion is the only bid that lasted the distance but has since pulled out. “It was a farcical tender process. A process in name only,” ex-bid chairman Morris Iemma said. “The backers (Chinese billionaire Shen Yuxing, the founder and chairman of property developer Jianyan International Group and ASX-listed Boyuan Holdings) are so disillusioned with the politics of Australian football there’s no appetite to invest in the sport here. They are looking globally and at other sports. “There was no strategy from FFA, they just kept moving the goalposts in the EOI (Expression of Interest) stage. In the end it was purely about politics, it wasn’t even about money, (Macarthur) offered less. “There was $20 million cash in bank, a portion of that was for a women’s license.

8 Tasmania still wants an A-League license, while Federal MP Andrew Wilkie slammed Australian football for ignoring the region. Backed by former Melbourne Victory board members Harry Stamoulis and Robert Belteky. We are still hopeful a future license is given to the consortium for an A-League team in Tasmania. It is just mind-boggling that when the A-League expanded by two teams recently, they just squeezed another team into Sydney and Melbourne, without realising they had a chance to make football Australia’s first genuinely national code. Football would expand its market, expand its TV reach, it would trump AFL. But the geniuses who make these decisions thought otherwise. I don’t know what was going on and what they were smoking, but it was a really dumb decision. Asked what must happen for Tasmania to get an A-League team, Wilkie said: “FFA needs to have an outbreak of common sense and realise you can’t keep cannibalising mainland capital cities. You grow the game by going to new areas and establishing teams in new regions and have the pride of being Australia’s first truly national sport. You grow the supporter base, the TV audience and the TV revenue.

9 West Adelaide declared that they were focusing their energies on the second division. The A-League has turned its back on traditional clubs with the franchise model, so we don’t feel engaged. Our preference is now the second division, which we’re fully supportive of. “Theoretically we want to play in highest league. But we feel the need for a second division and down the track promotion-relegation. But clubs like ours are being suppressed. I don’t feel we’re encouraged to grow.

10 Western Pride (Ipswich) believe plans for a revamped stadium leave them well placed to be the next Queensland club to join the A-League. “The main thing that stopped us from potentially being successful is that we didn’t have a commitment on a stadium. We now have that, which puts us in a good position. There is a masterplan for a full 20,000-seat stadium. The NPL club remained sceptical about the mooted second division. In my eyes, there’s still a long way to go with the second division. I’ve asked certain questions regarding its financial sustainability and I haven’t been given answers to those questions.

11 Wollongong Wolves. “In principle yes we are interested in the second division, but there is no meat on the bone. We want the club to grow and move forward, any improvement we’re in principle for it.” Sheppard said the expansion process knocked the stuffing out of the club for a period. “The last process could’ve been run differently. A lot of bids went through a lot of time and money,” he said. “A lot of things in that process weren’t clear until you reached certain stages. Would’ve been better served having that information from the beginning. “We got to pointy end of process and then realised they wanted capital city teams. If that was the case, they should’ve been made that clear from the outset. “(In future) we would like to see New Leagues Working Group (NLWG) target certain areas. Rather than put out to auction type process, which was the last process we went through.”


 
That unpopular word expansion is back. Source Australianfootball.com
Who are the confirmed bid to enter mens & womens teams in 2027-28 then hmm?
An area which has wanted aleague inclusion for a long while.
 
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