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[Monoethnic Social Club]

I highly doubt Mamdani is going to implement Cambodia or Cuba style policies. His challenge is more an economic and social one rather than political.

The Scandinavian model is not the one I'm referring too. They have free elections and an economic system that works. I'm referring to the starving hoardes of Eastern Europe and the murderous groups of Asia and South America.

Anyway we'll leave it at that.

You know that both sides used something called propaganda during the cold wars right?

 

[JS96]

You know that both sides used something called propaganda during the cold wars right?

I'm not referring to propaganda of the time but rather the study of what has come out since then which is now historical fact, for all sides.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

You realise that quote is direct from the quran. Therefore, Islamically, taking any life is not just a sin, but is against the word and will of god. Therefore, not just a sin, but an affront to him.

Also, Muslims have been on record saying the same for decades. Written op ed's saying it, been on tv saying it, shouted it through social media, mentioned it in lectures... everyone just chooses to ignore it and keeps going, "dO yOU ConDEmN?!" "wHy DoNT yOU CaLL iT OuT?"

I presumed as such - its not really the win you hope it is, basic respect for human life isnt really a positive religious character trait, more like the bare minimum of basic human empathy.

I draw my criticism to your justifying the actions of Hamas on Oct 7th as some sort of holy "payback" towards the perceived "occupation" of Gaza for 70 years. As if the "chosen" are the only ones with a divine right to seek revenge... everyone else should just stop the killing.

If I have misunderstood your intent Im happy to hear otherwise but all I can see is you rant on about the genocide against Palestinians and pious Muslims BUT any attempt to condemn the actions of isolated terrorist slaughters against innocents (almost exclusively carried out by young Muslim radicals nutbags) as being some sort of Islamophobia.... My people have had 400 years of quran "diplomacy" and know very well what a dervcime and haratsi are.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

I'm not referring to propaganda of the time but rather the study of what has come out since then which is now historical fact, for all sides.

Don't know about that, I drove through Yugolsavia in 1986 and saw plenty of well fed people... .. Like in every society those on one side always fare better than those on the other... I was chatting to a Cuban bloke now living in Australia about this late last year, 1/2 his family fled Castro for Miami in the late 50s and he followed suit in the 80s .. first thing he copped in Miami was a car accident that caused him $20,000 in medical bills .... took him 4 years to pay his debt off and move to Australia.... to this day he reckons he was better off in Havana....

 

[zimbos05]

I presumed as such - its not really the win you hope it is, basic respect for human life isnt really a positive religious character trait, more like the bare minimum of basic human empathy.

I draw my criticism to your justifying the actions of Hamas on Oct 7th as some sort of holy "payback" towards the perceived "occupation" of Gaza for 70 years. As if the "chosen" are the only ones with a divine right to seek revenge... everyone else should just stop the killing.

If I have misunderstood your intent Im happy to hear otherwise but all I can see is you rant on about the genocide against Palestinians and pious Muslims BUT any attempt to condemn the actions of isolated terrorist slaughters against innocents (almost exclusively carried out by young Muslim radicals nutbags) as being some sort of Islamophobia.... My people have had 400 years of quran "diplomacy" and know very well what a dervcime and haratsi are.

As expected, proven wrong. Ignore that you have been. Then change the subject by making up false statements about what I said or did.

I never once justified October 7th. If you are going to be disingenuous and blatantly lie, and obscure my words, then there is no point in discussing with you. Condemning October 7 and that Hamas committed a terror attack, and Israel committing genocide are two separate things, and both are true.

I HAVE CONDEMNED HAMAS AND SO HAVE MANY MUSLIMS MULTIPLE TIMES!!!! I think I posted like 10 statements from the muslim community condemning the attacks at Bondi. Do you want to me to fly to your damn house and shout it in your face and stick it on your front door so you can see it every day? You really have a way to dehumanise people, and make them feel small, insignificant, and hated.

No, you are not happy to hear otherwise, because I have provided facts, and evidence and even said that killing is strictly prohibited in Islam, and you still go, "nah, I know better". You also keep parroting the same right wing bullshit talking points. "why won't you condemn". "You never condemn". We've condemned more than any other faith or culture combined. Also, saying "almost exclusively", like no person other than muslim have committed terror attacks. I'm sick of people like you treating me like I'm less of a human simply because of my faith. That you can ignore my character and the type of person I am (or that 2billion of us have not committed terrorist acts and live peacefully). I simply can't be a good person and if I am, it's not because of my faith, but some other factor. I've had almost 4 decades of it and I'm tired of it. Oh, that's right, because Christianity has never waged war on Muslims. What the heck is dervcime and haratsi?

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

As expected, proven wrong. Ignore that you have been. Then change the subject by making up false statements about what I said or did.

I never once justified October 7th. If you are going to be disingenuous and blatantly lie, and obscure my words, then there is no point in discussing with you. Condemning October 7 and that Hamas committed a terror attack, and Israel committing genocide are two separate things, and both are true.

I HAVE CONDEMNED HAMAS AND SO HAVE MANY MUSLIMS MULTIPLE TIMES!!!! I think I posted like 10 statements from the muslim community condemning the attacks at Bondi. Do you want to me to fly to your damn house and shout it in your face and stick it on your front door so you can see it every day? You really have a way to dehumanise people, and make them feel small, insignificant, and hated.

No, you are not happy to hear otherwise, because I have provided facts, and evidence and even said that killing is strictly prohibited in Islam, and you still go, "nah, I know better". What the heck is dervcime and haratsi?

Why are you getting so emotional and feel personally insulted? Can you not have a conversation and disagree without becoming personal?

AGAIN if I have insulted you or your religion in any way it is not my intention... I think ALL indiscriminate murder is a sin in the eyes of almighty God. NO I dont want you to come to my house nor do I need you to feel like you personally have to change my mind about anything.. I dont hate Muslims, the Quran or ANYONE of your faith, in fact I have plenty of Muslim friends I deeply respect and discuss theological points with constantly.. Islam and Orthodox Christianity have an incredible amount of cultural similarities.

By saying "nah its a genocide because I read it in an article" isn't facts OR evidence it is an opinion. One I disagree with. AND No my friend you have NOT condemned Hamas (at least not that I have seen) you hide behind the victimhood role and hate the term "Islamist" but any criticism I have thrown towards Hamas is met with hostility by you.....

Killing is ALSO forbidden in the Torah does that mean we shouldn't hold the IDF and Netanyahu to task for the vile murders they have committed? It is also explicitly forbidden in the Bible ... I mean "Thou shalt not kill" is pretty straightforward no? Does that mean you don't believe the Crusades ever happened, where the Catholics slaughtered Muslim and Orthodox alike in the name of their funny little pope dude?

As for the Muslim treatement of Infidels.. well sorry my spelling is often off translating from Greek to English. Devshirme and Haratsi are still dirty words 2 centuries later and NOT mentioned as a criticism of your faith but as a reminder of the age old axiom, "those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

Details of the Haratsi Tax
Nature of the Tax: The haraç was a form of land tax developed from the earlier kharaj system, which later merged into the cizye (jizya) taxation system. It was imposed on Christian populations as a counterpart to the zakat (charity tax) paid by Muslims.
Conditions: The tax was an annual payment required from every non-Muslim male above a certain age (often cited as 12). Payment was a condition for being guaranteed limited freedoms and protection under the Ottoman dhimmi system.
Significance: The tax was symbolic of the social and legal inferiority of non-Muslims in the Ottoman system. While some sources note that non-Muslims generally paid higher taxes than Muslims and had fewer rights in certain legal situations (such as court testimony), others mention specific communities, like the Phanariots and Chiots, who achieved significant wealth and some privileges through trade and influence.
Incentive for Conversion: The desire to avoid paying the haraç and gain legal benefits, such as the ability to own a horse or avoidance of certain legal disputes, incentivized some non-Muslims to convert to Islam.
Modern Reference
The term "haratsi" is still used in modern Greece to refer to any unfair or "barbaric" tax. During the Greek government-debt crisis and subsequent austerity measures, an unpopular and difficult-to-avoid property tax (levied via electricity bills) was widely referred to by the public and press as "the haratsi" in memory of the hated Ottoman levy.

Devshirme (Child Levy): This was the "blood tax," a highly resented practice where Ottoman officials forcibly conscripted a proportion of male children from Christian families in the Balkans (including Greece) at irregular intervals. The boys were converted to Islam, educated, and trained to serve the state, often in the elite Janissary infantry corps or the civil administration. Many rose to high office, but the practice of taking children from their families was a significant grievance. The devshirme system largely died out by the late 17th century.

 

[zimbos05]

Why are you getting so emotional and feel personally insulted? Can you not have a conversation and disagree without becoming personal?

AGAIN if I have insulted you or your religion in any way it is not my intention... I think ALL indiscriminate murder is a sin in the eyes of almighty God. NO I dont want you to come to my house nor do I need you to feel like you personally have to change my mind about anything.. I dont hate Muslims, the Quran or ANYONE of your faith, in fact I have plenty of Muslim friends I deeply respect and discuss theological points with constantly.. Islam and Orthodox Christianity have an incredible amount of cultural similarities.

By saying "nah its a genocide because I read it in an article" isn't facts OR evidence it is an opinion. One I disagree with. AND No my friend you have NOT condemned Hamas (at least not that I have seen) you hide behind the victimhood role and hate the term "Islamist" but any criticism I have thrown towards Hamas is met with hostility by you.....

Killing is ALSO forbidden in the Torah does that mean we shouldn't hold the IDF and Netanyahu to task for the vile murders they have committed? It is also explicitly forbidden in the Bible ... I mean "Thou shalt not kill" is pretty straightforward no? Does that mean you don't believe the Crusades ever happened, where the Catholics slaughtered Muslim and Orthodox alike in the name of their funny little pope dude?

As for the Muslim treatement of Infidels.. well sorry my spelling is often off translating from Greek to English. Devshirme and Haratsi are still dirty words 2 centuries later and NOT mentioned as a criticism of your faith but as a reminder of the age old axiom, "those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

Details of the Haratsi Tax
Nature of the Tax: The haraç was a form of land tax developed from the earlier kharaj system, which later merged into the cizye (jizya) taxation system. It was imposed on Christian populations as a counterpart to the zakat (charity tax) paid by Muslims.
Conditions: The tax was an annual payment required from every non-Muslim male above a certain age (often cited as 12). Payment was a condition for being guaranteed limited freedoms and protection under the Ottoman dhimmi system.
Significance: The tax was symbolic of the social and legal inferiority of non-Muslims in the Ottoman system. While some sources note that non-Muslims generally paid higher taxes than Muslims and had fewer rights in certain legal situations (such as court testimony), others mention specific communities, like the Phanariots and Chiots, who achieved significant wealth and some privileges through trade and influence.
Incentive for Conversion: The desire to avoid paying the haraç and gain legal benefits, such as the ability to own a horse or avoidance of certain legal disputes, incentivized some non-Muslims to convert to Islam.
Modern Reference
The term "haratsi" is still used in modern Greece to refer to any unfair or "barbaric" tax. During the Greek government-debt crisis and subsequent austerity measures, an unpopular and difficult-to-avoid property tax (levied via electricity bills) was widely referred to by the public and press as "the haratsi" in memory of the hated Ottoman levy.

Devshirme (Child Levy): This was the "blood tax," a highly resented practice where Ottoman officials forcibly conscripted a proportion of male children from Christian families in the Balkans (including Greece) at irregular intervals. The boys were converted to Islam, educated, and trained to serve the state, often in the elite Janissary infantry corps or the civil administration. Many rose to high office, but the practice of taking children from their families was a significant grievance. The devshirme system largely died out by the late 17th century.

I'm pissed because you have insulted me and continue to take pot shots even when I provide evidence to the contrary. It's a personal attack on me, so yes, I'm a bit emotional, because every fucking day I have to defend my literal existence. I can have a conversation, but I can't deal with disingenuous ignorance and constant dehumanisation.

Even in this post, you go, "I didn't mean to..." then literally go on and do so. I tell you I've condemned Hamas, you insist I haven't. I'll do it, again. I condemn Hamas!. I tell you Israel is committing genocide because it's been legally stated by the ICJ, IAGS, the UN and just about every single human rights organisation in the world, and you go, "because you read it in some article". No, it's genocide because it literally is.

I don't like the term Islamist because it creates false perception of Islam. You'd never say, Christianist, or Judaist, or Hinduist...so why paint Islam in disingenuous light when Islam strictly prohibits killing and has the harshest of penalty for it. Yes, hold everyone who kills to account, but it's only ever about Islam do people say, "that's not a religion of peace". Would it be fair to say Judaism is an inherently violent religion based on Netanyahu and the IDF?? We hold people to account not because of their religion, but because of the action. The crusades happened, do I believe all Christians to be violent people? No. So why then do all Muslims have to constantly defend themselves, condemn everyone and justify their damn existence.

Infidels is not even a Muslim term. The term for non Muslims is kuffar, which translates to "cover" as in someone who covers themself from what is considered the truth. I have more duty to my non-muslim neighbour than to a Muslim 2 further doors away. We also believe in the Torah, and that Jews and Christians are people of faith and from "the book". Of the Abrahamic religions and therefore followers of previous divine scriptures.

You've presented the ottoman, not Islam, way of things. Under Jizya, the non-muslims were given state protection, exempt from military service, religious freedom, and legal autonomy (to name a few). Rates were also varying, so poor people paid less than those more wealthy. If you couldn't afford it, you didn't pay. Christian monks were exempt. The jizya was also the first form of super. The tax paid was put towards the pensions of non-muslims so they could be looked after in old age. Further more, the prophet declared their safety so much so that he said, "if you hurt them, you will never smell paradise". As for the child levy, that was an ottoman thing, it is not an islam thing. Only the ottomans did that, no other Islamic empire, kingdom, state, ruler...

I'm.alsways open to discussion and chat..ill break bread with anyone. I've often said I hate no one, even on here. However, I won't tolerate disingenuous and arrogant rhetoric.

 

[tsf]

Not sure if any of this is directed at me, just want it known that I DO NOT in any way agree with what the US is doing, just wanting to point out that, at least for once, its NOT justb a delusional Trump move... it has been on the cards for a while.

Not directed at you.

 

[tsf]

This is an insane docu about the Russian war from a Russian perspective. Incredible raw footage.
The helplessness.

 

[erogenouszone]

This is an insane docu about the Russian war from a Russian perspective. Incredible raw footage.
The helplessness.

Fucked up beyond belief. This war is pointless and will ultimately achieve nothing.

 

[tsf]

Fucked up beyond belief. This war is pointless and will ultimately achieve nothing.

It’s crazy.

None of these guys really know why they’re there. Half have been told they’re not leaving unless they’re dead even though their contact is up. Also not even getting paid.

And terrified knowing they’re being sent to die a pointless death.

Yet, a few are still are patriotic. Insane.

 

[Beretta]

Nothing to see here lol.

 

[NicCarBel]

"if anyone killed a person… it would be as if he killed all mankind; and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind"

I have always liked this passage - my wife's uncle also said this when we were talking about it all a couple weeks back

 

[Pasquali]

 

[tsf]

Massive decrease in US drugs - - almost down 100% now they’re arrested the source of their drug problems!

 

[grazorblade]

time line cleanser

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

I'm pissed because you have insulted me and continue to take pot shots even when I provide evidence to the contrary. It's a personal attack on me, so yes, I'm a bit emotional, because every fucking day I have to defend my literal existence. I can have a conversation, but I can't deal with disingenuous ignorance and constant dehumanisation.

Um, again I don't really see where I am personally insulting you, or why you would think that... Despite your efforts to paint me as some sort of muslim hater, I feel terrible if you think I am picking on you because of your religion... Not everybody in life is going to agree with you.. What have I said to you to make you feel threatened.. I mean it is terrible if you feel like you have to defend yourself but my ONLY attack is against people who use religion as an excuse to commit murder... regardless of what that religion is.... when have I attacked you personally?

Even in this post, you go, "I didn't mean to..." then literally go on and do so. I tell you I've condemned Hamas, you insist I haven't. I'll do it, again. I condemn Hamas!. I tell you Israel is committing genocide because it's been legally stated by the ICJ, IAGS, the UN and just about every single human rights organisation in the world, and you go, "because you read it in some article". No, it's genocide because it literally is.

Sorry but this is not how I recall our previous conversation, when I condemned BOTH sides for murder and blamed Hamas for starting the whole thing, you went on a historic rant about how 70 years of occupation (not sure how many Israelis live in Gaza btw) are justifiable aggrieved and you could understand why they would slaughter women and children.

As for what the evil Natanyahu and the equally evil IDF have don in Gaza being a horrible crime absolutely BUT.. as I have tried to tell you, just because its terrible doesnt make it, by definition, a genocide.

You are 100% correct words matter, calling something a Genocide when, ion fact, it is an amoral and overly heavy handed military incursion makes your argument weaker. And the loonies protesting without any knowledge, seem unhinged.

To explain, based on your "examples" of proof"

ICJ and UN - Yes there is an application (By South Africa of all nations, those bastions of equal rights) to have the conflict defined as a Genocide however both the ICJ and UN have NOT ruled it as such and would be hypocrites if they ever did in light of every OTHER slaughter happening all round the world not be so defined.

IAGS - who cares? What authority do they have, a bunch of academics? Never even heard of them until you brought them up, Im willing to assume you probably hadnt either?

About Us

About Us The International Association of Genocide Scholars is a global, interdisciplinary, non-partisan organization that seeks to further research and teaching about the nature, causes, and consequences of genocide, and advance policy studies on genocide prevention. The Association, founded...

genocidescholars.org

Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (Sou

www.icj-cij.org

I don't like the term Islamist because it creates false perception of Islam. You'd never say, Christianist, or Judaist, or Hinduist...so why paint Islam in disingenuous light when Islam strictly prohibits killing and has the harshest of penalty for it. Yes, hold everyone who kills to account, but it's only ever about Islam do people say, "that's not a religion of peace". Would it be fair to say Judaism is an inherently violent religion based on Netanyahu and the IDF?? We hold people to account not because of their religion, but because of the action. The crusades happened, do I believe all Christians to be violent people? No. So why then do all Muslims have to constantly defend themselves, condemn everyone and justify their damn existence.

I have never heard anyone say a Christianism or a Hinduism because I cant remember an event were a person of one of these faiths stated they would indiscriminately kill a bunch of innocent people based SOLEY on their race...Sure there is murder, rape, theft and all sorts of vile acts happening all around the world, the killing of innocent people by IDF in Gaza is one of the atrocities But its seems like whenever it is a targeted attack against a specific group of people it is more often than not done in the name of Allah. On second thoughts sorry I do remember the mosque shooting in New Zealand by that far right nutter, my apologies that was terrible but the fact that it was ONE event out of how many other sort of proves my point.. Even the IDF and Netanyahu you claim are Judaists or Zionists or whatever it appears (at least to me) that they are simply trying to rid their neighbourhood of a rabid next door neighbour that keeps on threatening to wipe them off the face of the earth. Not the best way to do it sure but Im pretty sure they would react the same way to any OTHER religion or nation trying to wipe them out. They arent killing women in children in Gaza because they are muslim, or Palestinian, they are killing them because they are being used as human shields by multi-millionaire terrorist who would rather use Arab Oil money on weapons, tunnels and AK-47s than food and clothing for their own people.

I have NEVER said islam is NOT a religion of peace but overwhelmingly it is fundamentalists from islam that chose to commit these horrifying crimes. I, and others, call them islamists in an attempt to distinguish them from the every day regular ordinary muslim folk who just wanna practice their religion and go about their day like, presumably, yourself.. What would you have me call these sort of people if NOT terrorists or islamists? Is it the word you object to or the notion that people are killing in the name of your faith.. If it was me it would be later. If someone claimed they where a Greek Orthodox martyr and blew themselves up in a mosque as retribution I would be deeply ashamed and apologetic and LIVID against anyone looking to apologise for it or justify it...

I'm. always open to discussion and chat..ill break bread with anyone. I've often said I hate no one, even on here. However, I won't tolerate disingenuous and arrogant rhetoric.

You can call me whatever you like, disingenuous I am not.. Arrogant perhaps, sure Ill cop that but I mean most of what I type... I like to shitpost with a few on here who, despite the harshness of our banter, I respect and consider friendly.. Even ones who get overly personal sometimes I can gloss over the pettiness as everyone has a point of view and something worthwhile to say... well almost everyone.
If you cant see past my criticism of the troubling aspects to your religion as a valid point of view and take them as some sort of personal affront I suggest you perhaps ignore my posts...
believe whatever you want

 

[zimbos05]

Um, again I don't really see where I am personally insulting you, or why you would think that... Despite your efforts to paint me as some sort of muslim hater, I feel terrible if you think I am picking on you because of your religion... Not everybody in life is going to agree with you.. What have I said to you to make you feel threatened.. I mean it is terrible if you feel like you have to defend yourself but my ONLY attack is against people who use religion as an excuse to commit murder... regardless of what that religion is.... when have I attacked you personally?

You are insulting me by saying things like, "nah, you're wrong" when I provide you with facts and evidence from my own religion. What you are effectively doing is gaslighting. I did not say you are a muslim hater, but saying, "I have muslim friends" does not make you one who likes muslims. Pauline Hanson claims to have muslim friends. I have never once claimed religion is an excuse for murder, so that you continue to insist on things I have not said is you insulting me. My faith is personal to me, it is who I am, and by you attacking it, you attack me.

Sorry but this is not how I recall our previous conversation, when I condemned BOTH sides for murder and blamed Hamas for starting the whole thing, you went on a historic rant about how 70 years of occupation (not sure how many Israelis live in Gaza btw) are justifiable aggrieved and you could understand why they would slaughter women and children.

Ok, be careful here, because I know you'll misconstrue, but words are important. I have condemned Israel and Hamas countless times. I just did it in my last post too, and you have ignored that. Just because I may not have said it directly to you (although I'm sure I did), does not mean I didn't do it. If a muslim says it once, that should be enough. We should not have to say it to every single person, every single time.

Now, if you are going to ignore history, then you are ignoring the true origins of this conflict, because this conflict did not start on October 7, so Hamas did not start "this whole thing". It is not as if Palestinians were living cheery free lives before October 7. Once again, this does not justify what Hamas did and what they did was wrong, I condemn it. I am simply stating that the conflict has been ongoing for more than 7 decades. It's a fact, not an argument.

As for what the evil Natanyahu and the equally evil IDF have don in Gaza being a horrible crime absolutely BUT.. as I have tried to tell you, just because its terrible doesnt make it, by definition, a genocide.

In actual fact, what they have done is the very definition of a genocide. Read the dictionary.

You are 100% correct words matter, calling something a Genocide when, ion fact, it is an amoral and overly heavy handed military incursion makes your argument weaker. And the loonies protesting without any knowledge, seem unhinged.

Nah, it just means that people are very smart to use language for one but not another. See, you call them loonies without knowledge. So you clearly have deformed long held misbeliefs. I've met some of the most intellectual people at these rallies. People with doctorates. People who've studied this conflict for years. You are just proving your stubbornness.

To explain, based on your "examples" of proof"

ICJ and UN - Yes there is an application (By South Africa of all nations, those bastions of equal rights) to have the conflict defined as a Genocide however both the ICJ and UN have NOT ruled it as such and would be hypocrites if they ever did in light of every OTHER slaughter happening all round the world not be so defined.

IAGS - who cares? What authority do they have, a bunch of academics? Never even heard of them until you brought them up, Im willing to assume you probably hadnt either?

About Us

About Us The International Association of Genocide Scholars is a global, interdisciplinary, non-partisan organization that seeks to further research and teaching about the nature, causes, and consequences of genocide, and advance policy studies on genocide prevention. The Association, founded...

genocidescholars.org

Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (Sou

www.icj-cij.org

What makes South Africa a problem? I have in fact heard of IAGS before this. Throwing out academics and scholars is very fascisty of people.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds

I have never heard anyone say a Christianism or a Hinduism because I cant remember an event were a person of one of these faiths stated they would indiscriminately kill a bunch of innocent people based SOLEY on their race...Sure there is murder, rape, theft and all sorts of vile acts happening all around the world, the killing of innocent people by IDF in Gaza is one of the atrocities But its seems like whenever it is a targeted attack against a specific group of people it is more often than not done in the name of Allah. On second thoughts sorry I do remember the mosque shooting in New Zealand by that far right nutter, my apologies that was terrible but the fact that it was ONE event out of how many other sort of proves my point.. Even the IDF and Netanyahu you claim are Judaists or Zionists or whatever it appears (at least to me) that they are simply trying to rid their neighbourhood of a rabid next door neighbour that keeps on threatening to wipe them off the face of the earth. Not the best way to do it sure but Im pretty sure they would react the same way to any OTHER religion or nation trying to wipe them out. They arent killing women in children in Gaza because they are muslim, or Palestinian, they are killing them because they are being used as human shields by multi-millionaire terrorist who would rather use Arab Oil money on weapons, tunnels and AK-47s than food and clothing for their own people.

2021 London Ontario attack. Dylan Roof. Anders Brehvik. Scott Roeder. LRA atrocities in Central African Republic. Wiembilla police shootings. Dehradun attack. Uttar Pradesh attacks. Anti-Abortion attacks. 2002 Gujarat Riots. Rohingya Massacres.

Granted some of those are not of a specific people, but they were motivated by Christian ideals and Christian extremism. The two Hindu ones I've put (out of hundreds) are of specific attacks against either Christians or Muslims. I've even thrown in a massacres committed in the name of Buddhism. Yep, the nirvana people. Yithzak Rabin's murder was religiously motivated in opposition to peace.

So it's ok for the IDF to kill indiscriminately, but when Palestine fights back, not ok? Got it. Yeah yeah, human shields, that lie has been disproved multiple times. I'm sure Hamas was using Hind Rajab as a human shield when she had 335 bullets shot into her? You do know Israel set up Hamas and funded them...

I have NEVER said islam is NOT a religion of peace but overwhelmingly it is fundamentalists from islam that chose to commit these horrifying crimes. I, and others, call them islamists in an attempt to distinguish them from the every day regular ordinary muslim folk who just wanna practice their religion and go about their day like, presumably, yourself.. What would you have me call these sort of people if NOT terrorists or islamists? Is it the word you object to or the notion that people are killing in the name of your faith.. If it was me it would be later. If someone claimed they where a Greek Orthodox martyr and blew themselves up in a mosque as retribution I would be deeply ashamed and apologetic and LIVID against anyone looking to apologise for it or justify it...

Once again, no other person has ever committed mass murder or terror in the name of any other religion... You can't be claiming that it is only Muslims who do the killings, then try to be like, "no, Muslims are fine". If you do not think Islam is a religion of violence, then why the constant attacks on Islam? Why not just call them extremists? Why do we need to paint this idea of Islam as a violent religion, and that these extremists are taught through Islam to be this way? I, as a Muslim am telling you that the language you are using is more detrimental, and in fact creates bad connotations of the good Muslims, but you will insist on continuing to use that language, and you wonder why I said you are personally attacking Muslims. If Islam taught such bad things, then why are 99% of the other muslims not doing them. MUSLIMS HAVE BEEN LIVID ABOUT THE KILLINGS. WE'VE SAID THIS COUNTLESS TIMES. IT IS NOT ISLAM!!! Yet here you are still having a go and blaming Muslims and Islam.

You can call me whatever you like, disingenuous I am not.. Arrogant perhaps, sure Ill cop that but I mean most of what I type... I like to shitpost with a few on here who, despite the harshness of our banter, I respect and consider friendly.. Even ones who get overly personal sometimes I can gloss over the pettiness as everyone has a point of view and something worthwhile to say... well almost everyone.
If you cant see past my criticism of the troubling aspects to your religion as a valid point of view and take them as some sort of personal affront I suggest you perhaps ignore my posts...
believe whatever you want

You have not once acknowledged when I have disproved you, for example on Jizya and the child ottoman thing.

It's easy for you to gloss over. You have White European privilege. My whole life, all I've ever been told is that I am a terrorist. I've been 'randomly' searched in literally every airport I've ever been to. I have been detained at two different airports for no reason other than a random selection, and apparently my name was "too concerning". Had my phone searched. My whatsapp messaged read. My whole life interrogated. My every day activities analysed. I used to be bullied in high school by people going, "hahah, osama" and pointing and laughing, pretending to be scared of me. My brother was labelled a Jihadist by a prominent Australian media outlet, because he wrote a university paper on how divorce works in Islam. Not advocating for it, just how it works. My sister has been racially and verbally assaulted countless times because she wears a headscarf, yet she never once got angry with any of those people. My nieces and nephews in prep grow up in this country -a country they were born in- being told to go back to where they came from.

The reason I disagree with you criticism of the religion is because it's not valid. I've proven with quotes from Quran (which I have memorised parts of and studied) and with explanation, and you still go, "nah, you're wrong". Why wouldn't someone who has actually studied it, and memorised it know what they are talking about? I went to a Catholic school, attended mass and read the bible, but I would never tell a Christian that I know their religion better than them. I'm not going to ignore your posts because you are spouting false rhetoric about my faith. Something that is personal. Either you prove who you say you are, acknowledge when you are wrong, or keep being stubborn and hold this archaic European view in which you seem to be stuck in.

I'm sorry for the what the Ottomans did to you people. I condemn that too. I have nothing to do with it, but I'll condemn it too. I wish it never happened. But holding on to this long gone hate is not doing you any favours. You can keep thinking bad of my religion and attempt to justify it by going, "I have muslim friends", but all you are doing is perpetuating the colonial ideals of European ethnocentrism.

 

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You are insulting me by saying things like, "nah, you're wrong" when I provide you with facts and evidence from my own religion. What you are effectively doing is gaslighting. I did not say you are a muslim hater, but saying, "I have muslim friends" does not make you one who likes muslims. Pauline Hanson claims to have muslim friends. I have never once claimed religion is an excuse for murder, so that you continue to insist on things I have not said is you insulting me. My faith is personal to me, it is who I am, and by you attacking it, you attack me.

Ok, be careful here, because I know you'll misconstrue, but words are important. I have condemned Israel and Hamas countless times. I just did it in my last post too, and you have ignored that. Just because I may not have said it directly to you (although I'm sure I did), does not mean I didn't do it. If a muslim says it once, that should be enough. We should not have to say it to every single person, every single time.

Now, if you are going to ignore history, then you are ignoring the true origins of this conflict, because this conflict did not start on October 7, so Hamas did not start "this whole thing". It is not as if Palestinians were living cheery free lives before October 7. Once again, this does not justify what Hamas did and what they did was wrong, I condemn it. I am simply stating that the conflict has been ongoing for more than 7 decades. It's a fact, not an argument.

In actual fact, what they have done is the very definition of a genocide. Read the dictionary.

Nah, it just means that people are very smart to use language for one but not another. See, you call them loonies without knowledge. So you clearly have deformed long held misbeliefs. I've met some of the most intellectual people at these rallies. People with doctorates. People who've studied this conflict for years. You are just proving your stubbornness.

What makes South Africa a problem? I have in fact heard of IAGS before this. Throwing out academics and scholars is very fascisty of people.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds

2021 London Ontario attack. Dylan Roof. Anders Brehvik. Scott Roeder. LRA atrocities in Central African Republic. Wiembilla police shootings. Dehradun attack. Uttar Pradesh attacks. Anti-Abortion attacks. 2002 Gujarat Riots. Rohingya Massacres.

Granted some of those are not of a specific people, but they were motivated by Christian ideals and Christian extremism. The two Hindu ones I've put (out of hundreds) are of specific attacks against either Christians or Muslims. I've even thrown in a massacres committed in the name of Buddhism. Yep, the nirvana people. Yithzak Rabin's murder was religiously motivated in opposition to peace.

So it's ok for the IDF to kill indiscriminately, but when Palestine fights back, not ok? Got it. Yeah yeah, human shields, that lie has been disproved multiple times. I'm sure Hamas was using Hind Rajab as a human shield when she had 335 bullets shot into her? You do know Israel set up Hamas and funded them...

Once again, no other person has ever committed mass murder or terror in the name of any other religion... You can't be claiming that it is only Muslims who do the killings, then try to be like, "no, Muslims are fine". If you do not think Islam is a religion of violence, then why the constant attacks on Islam? Why not just call them extremists? Why do we need to paint this idea of Islam as a violent religion, and that these extremists are taught through Islam to be this way? I, as a Muslim am telling you that the language you are using is more detrimental, and in fact creates bad connotations of the good Muslims, but you will insist on continuing to use that language, and you wonder why I said you are personally attacking Muslims. If Islam taught such bad things, then why are 99% of the other muslims not doing them. MUSLIMS HAVE BEEN LIVID ABOUT THE KILLINGS. WE'VE SAID THIS COUNTLESS TIMES. IT IS NOT ISLAM!!! Yet here you are still having a go and blaming Muslims and Islam.


You have not once acknowledged when I have disproved you, for example on Jizya and the child ottoman thing.

It's easy for you to gloss over. You have White European privilege. My whole life, all I've ever been told is that I am a terrorist. I've been 'randomly' searched in literally every airport I've ever been to. I have been detained at two different airports for no reason other than a random selection, and apparently my name was "too concerning". Had my phone searched. My whatsapp messaged read. My whole life interrogated. My every day activities analysed. I used to be bullied in high school by people going, "hahah, osama" and pointing and laughing, pretending to be scared of me. My brother was labelled a Jihadist by a prominent Australian media outlet, because he wrote a university paper on how divorce works in Islam. Not advocating for it, just how it works. My sister has been racially and verbally assaulted countless times because she wears a headscarf, yet she never once got angry with any of those people. My nieces and nephews in prep grow up in this country -a country they were born in- being told to go back to where they came from.

The reason I disagree with you criticism of the religion is because it's not valid. I've proven with quotes from Quran (which I have memorised parts of and studied) and with explanation, and you still go, "nah, you're wrong". Why wouldn't someone who has actually studied it, and memorised it know what they are talking about? I went to a Catholic school, attended mass and read the bible, but I would never tell a Christian that I know their religion better than them. I'm not going to ignore your posts because you are spouting false rhetoric about my faith. Something that is personal. Either you prove who you say you are, acknowledge when you are wrong, or keep being stubborn and hold this archaic European view in which you seem to be stuck in.

I'm sorry for the what the Ottomans did to you people. I condemn that too. I have nothing to do with it, but I'll condemn it too. I wish it never happened. But holding on to this long gone hate is not doing you any favours. You can keep thinking bad of my religion and attempt to justify it by going, "I have muslim friends", but all you are doing is perpetuating the colonial ideals of European ethnocentrism.

So the TLDR version of that absolute word garbage above is that according to you I am just another Pauline Handson, a gaslighter, somehow a colonialist and ...** drumrolll please** I have White European Privilege

That has to be my all time favourite comment on this forum, and the last one... well done... I wish you well on your religious journey ... that sort of thing isnt for me. All the best, sorry If I upset you too much.

 

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So the TLDR version of that absolute word garbage above is that according to you I am just another Pauline Handson, a gaslighter, somehow a colonialist and ...** drumrolll please** I have White European Privilege

That has to be my all time favourite comment on this forum, and the last one... well done... I wish you well on your religious journey ... that sort of thing isnt for me. All the best, sorry If I upset you too much.

So I express genuine responses, experiences, feelings, and engagement, and your response is, "that absolute word garbage". You really just keep being rude and disrespectful and have no remorse, consideration, or accountability. So yes, the very definition of White Privilege.

I like how you always twist my words and ignore what I say too. You are quite a master of that trick.

Your total lack of introspection is astounding. I have said this multiple times. I will always be open to conversation and engagement with anyone. I don't hate anyone, but all I ask is that you not be so obstinate when someone disproves you or provides clarity. I feel sorry that you have so much hate for my religion and people like me.