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Summer of Cricket thread

Richie said:
...and you obviously dont. Vaughn, Hussey, Clarke, Ponting, O'Keefe also back him.
He is going thru a bad batting patch at the moment, battling some demons. All a part of his cricket tuition.
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Green has also been unlucky, Baggers.
 
Richie said:
...and you obviously dont. Vaughn, Hussey, Clarke, Ponting, O'Keefe also back him.
He is going thru a bad batting patch at the moment, battling some demons. All a part of his cricket tuition.
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I don't not like him. I think he has the talent, but I think he should be judged fairly and not get special treatment.

If he is going through a bad path, then it's only fair he get treated like others, and if that requires him to be dropped and go back to shield for a few games to get to full fitness and find some form, then that is where he should be, not constantly being picked in every format without any type of accountability.

Some players have been dropped and ridiculed over 1 or 2 bad performances, not Green though.
 
Decentric said:
I see the long term potential in Green. I’m not sure we’ve had a player like him since Keith Miller. And he is our only current player under the age of 30.

I enjoyed reading a lot about Webster and Green in the media last night.

As I maintain we should have played Green instead of Usman at 5 right from the start of the series, with Webster batting 6 or 7.

Selecting Inglis of Webster instead was also idiocy.

A lot of cricket pundits have said they see in Webster a battle hardened, very experienced red ball player who knows his game well, but with modest talent. He is playing to the best of his ability though.

Green has immense talent - but doesn’t know his own game that well - yet.
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We are all saying the same things. Green has immense talent and is definitely capable.

Where we disagree is that I think he needs to be dropped to get some shield form and back to full fitness, you think he should be undroppable. That is something I can't get on board with. No player should be undroppable.

As for you comment on Ussie, I'm not getting into that. He was selected to open for the series not at 5, had an injury, came back from it and proved his worth. He is retiring, let the man have his moment.

Green has done nothing this series to justify his constant selection though. Talent, yes. Earned his spot, no.
 
Richie said:
@34 FC am referring to. Those three quickies with his best bowling style were so important. I had been calling for Smith to bowl him over Head and he listened.
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I don’t like Smith as Captain at all.

Not the right body language. Also, a ball tamperer. Bad look for Captain, but a great senior player with great tactical acumen.

Cummins and Paine have/had terrific body language. Both have used Smith’s tactical brain too.

I’d like Head or Carey as stand in Captain.

Webster now averages 41 with the bat after 8 Tests with five 50s, many played on sticky wickets overseas.

Higher average than Usman, Labu, Weathers, Warner and Green over the last few years. Do the selectors have any concept of simple data and basic maths?
 
zimbos05 said:
We are all saying the same things. Green has immense talent and is definitely capable.

Where we disagree is that I think he needs to be dropped to get some shield form and back to full fitness, you think he should be undroppable. That is something I can't get on board with. No player should be undroppable.

As for you comment on Ussie, I'm not getting into that. He was selected to open for the series not at 5, had an injury, came back from it and proved his worth. He is retiring, let the man have his moment.

Green has done nothing this series to justify his constant selection though. Talent, yes. Earned his spot, no.
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Even better, like Michael Vaughan suggests with Bethell, force him to play Shield cricket by paying him white ball national team match payments when they play.

Matt Kuhnemann has ruined his red ball spin development by playing meaningless Aus white ball fixtures this season, instead of Shield, like Lyon, Rocky and Murph.

Green bowled some of the fieriest balls of all Aus pace bowlers in this Test. He hit poor Duckett’s helmet, who then mishit a lofted ball which would have been an easy catch for silly mid off from another Green short pitched 140 kph thunderbolt- but no fielder was there.
 
zimbos05 said:
We are all saying the same things. Green has immense talent and is definitely capable.

Where we disagree is that I think he needs to be dropped to get some shield form and back to full fitness, you think he should be undroppable. That is something I can't get on board with. No player should be undroppable.

As for you comment on Ussie, I'm not getting into that. He was selected to open for the series not at 5, had an injury, came back from it and proved his worth. He is retiring, let the man have his moment.

Green has done nothing this series to justify his constant selection though. Talent, yes. Earned his spot, no.
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As I said before, give Usman a big send off before the series started.

Most of my cricket mates are like you - overly sentimental and not proactive enough about replacing underperforming old players.
 
Hounddog said:
Green will be a wicket taking bowler if he can bowl the right line and length.

Green seems to be bowling too short, too often.
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Been saying the same, be a huge handful at his pace and with his elevated release point if he could concentrate more in the uncertain 5-8mm zone.

He was bowling short because he was under orders. Didnt you see the field.
Like him in future to use his short one as a surprise tactic if he is moved up the bowling pecking order.
Decentric said:
with great tactical acumen.
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That is the reason he remains our stand in skipper.
 
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zimbos05 said:
Where we disagree is that I think he needs to be dropped to get some shield form and back to full fitness,
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I said same, back to shield where he averages a healthy @45, to regain full physical and mental fitness. Start with the remaining 4 shield rounds.
 
Decentric said:
Even better, like Michael Vaughan suggests with Bethell, force him to play Shield cricket by paying him white ball national team match payments when they play.
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Was shocked when I heard guys like Brook and Bethell hardly played county. In fact before his Test ton Bethell had not scored a county ton..
 
Decentric said:
As I said before, give Usman a big send off before the series started.

Most of my cricket mates are like you - overly sentimental and not proactive enough about replacing underperforming old players.
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Haha, if only you knew how wrong that statement is.

Ussie scored 232 against Sri Lanka in Jan. Would you say that didn't earn him the right to continue the year? Granted he didn't perform to that standard much throughout, but which opener was putting their hand up and staking a claim? Even looking at Manus's numbers, he should have been dropped much earlier. Trav has been mediocre coming into the Ashes. Inglis has one good innings.

There are so many you could say didn't "earn" their spot, yet they performed when needed. So should we have replaced those places? What about our spin options? Why do they refuse to replace Lyon?

You keep making out like I'm insistent that Ussie should have played every game. I've already said that I thought Ussie should have retired earlier, but it was obvious he wanted to go out in an Ashes series and he earned the right to do so. He hasn't had the best Ashes, but he also hasn't been the worst.

Calling for Green to get back to 100% fitness and to play shield cricket is being proactive. It means I'm interested in his development and performance, as opposed to just continuing to let him play without any form of measure. Constantly picking him regardless is the definition of emotional.
 
zimbos05 said:
but which opener was putting their hand up and staking a claim?
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Tim Ward, even tho he has batted #3 past two seasons and Henry Hunt, for two. Renshaw was also in the conversation. But if selectors had intel on Ussie pulling the plug after the Ashes, then I for one was all for him playing his swan song series.
 
Guys with Ussie gone the generational transition has begun. Who is next?
 
Richie said:
Tim Ward, even tho he has batted #3 past two seasons and Henry Hunt, for two. Renshaw was also in the conversation. But if selectors had intel on Ussie pulling the plug after the Ashes, then I for one was all for him playing his swan song series.
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If you're talking transition then Ward has argument because he is slightly younger. I think Aus have shown that they are not a side that is willing to go with too many new players in key series. They like stability. Tried and tested. They did get Weatherald in though, so you probably don't go into an Ashes with 2 new openers.

I think CA and Ussie knew this was the last series. He probably didn't want to announce his retirement the way he did, but with everything that happened and how the media treated him, it didn't go as planned.
 
Marnus Labuschagne takes the catch to dismiss Josh Tongue and Starc finishes with 3-72. Australia chasing 160 runs to win the fifth and final Test after England finish their second innings all out for 342.
 
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