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[JS96]

Why would the western media publish her views? It serves the opposite of their purpose. Trump has already threatened the interim President. This is not a democratic take over, it's a coup.

No one is saying Venezuela was a utopia and that there were bad elements, but to claim that this is about restoring democracy and peace, and stopping drug trade is absolutely false. They've already said out loud that they will control the oil (that is not theirs) want the Zionist in charge, and will be ready to attack anyone that opposes them. It's not got anything to do with the people of Venezuela. They saw nationalisation and less money in their pockets, so they decided to enact a coup. How can Maduro stand trial in America? He committed no crimes there, and it's a violation of international law.

Oh, so because it's not as broken, it's ok. Iraq was left in ruins. They did absolutely nothing for the people. They came in, bombed the place up, stole the gold and oil and then pissed off. They did absolutely nothing to support rebuilding the place and helping the people. Can pain this up in whichever way you want, but the truth is that this has nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with the oil, and resources in the country, that the US now has its hands on and will make money off of, and the people will see nothing of it.

The people weren't seeing anything of the oil under the current set up either. They have an opportunity to reopen up now.

The drugs and governmental side of things is a massive case for all involved in the Americas. The South American nations were fed up with Venezuela's antics and have welcomed this change. Their countries were flooded with issues.

 

[zimbos05]

The people weren't seeing anything of the oil under the current set up either. They have an opportunity to reopen up now.

The drugs and governmental side of things is a massive case for all involved in the Americas. The South American nations were fed up with Venezuela's antics and have welcomed this change. Their countries were flooded with issues.

They would have seen more of the oil under the old regime than they will of the new one now.

At the end of the day, the key thing is that what has happened goes against International Law. It was a coup carried out by a foreign government. If they can do it there, it sets a precedent to do it anywhere. Those of you celebrating Maduro gone (not a supporter of him) are supporting a foreign entity being able to pillage and steal from a sovereign nation, without any accountability or rule of law upheld.

 

[tsf]

The people weren't seeing anything of the oil under the current set up either. They have an opportunity to reopen up now.

Would you say the same thing if china bombed us tomorrow for our gas?

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

I believe you but apart from a few ME news sites the rest are all blog posts about her views. Interesting this isn't being reported across the media now to tarnish her image and pose the question that Venezuelans may not enjoy being under someone like her.

Venezuela was comparatively very well off before the socialist take over so now the people can see there is a chance for some change there. The United States has also flipped the balance energy distribution which puts pressure on China and Russia. Numerous South American countries were glad of the removal as drugs and crime has spread through their nations too.

The United States doesn't always leave countries worse off. Panama is better than it was before. Of course the country is still broken in many ways. Iraq suffered for so many years and has its issues still but who knows what the alternative might have been? These places are busy fighting themselves regardless. It's not entirely down to the United States. Some countries just fail being left to their own devices. South Korea and Vietnam have thrived.

Yeah the altruism of the benevolent USA....a country less than 300 years old but with the god given right to protect their wealthy elite from any threat, foreign or domestic... THEY get to decide which Muslims are good and which are terrorists, THEY get to decide which countries get economic sanctions and which get trade boons, THEY decide which leaders are elected (or assassinated), THEY get to decide which socio-political system every country in the world (with something of of value to their rich elite of course) get to govern themselves with. THEY get to the right to spend and consume and spend and consume and collect and consume and spend and eat and "curate" and experience and collect and spend.... Greenland and Columbia are next. Article 5 is a joke and NATO is either going to dissolve overnight or tear itself apart, either way US foreign policy wins. The corporations win, the "5 families" get to go back to humping children on their private islands and drinking umbilical blood and getting Botox every day or whatever they do and poor Melania has to swallow handfuls of Valium and lie still in bed and endure the tongue bath from the mango Mussolini while dreaming of how far she has come from being barefoot in a small village in the Yugoslavia chasing chickens.

Meanwhile the champagne is flowing, the yearly dividends are solid, the war machine keep[s turning. If they cant convince Jim Bob and Chad to enlist and fight the "commies" in Europe its easy enough to convince them to fight the "Nazis" in Europe or the Muslims in Europe .. it doesn't really matter who the enemy is, Look at Donnie boys ramblings, does anyone really think he legitimately even knows where Venezuela is on the map? The only real question is how long is this all going to take... the Romans took a century and a half to completely die but the Vandals didnt have nukes..

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

They would have seen more of the oil under the old regime than they will of the new one now.

At the end of the day, the key thing is that what has happened goes against International Law. It was a coup carried out by a foreign government. If they can do it there, it sets a precedent to do it anywhere. Those of you celebrating Maduro gone (not a supporter of him) are supporting a foreign entity being able to pillage and steal from a sovereign nation, without any accountability or rule of law upheld.

100% this... Not sure where the anti-Zionist stuff applies to anything the US does but you have a revolution of your own to fight I suppose so

 

[JS96]

Yeah the altruism of the benevolent USA....a country less than 300 years old but with the god given right to protect their wealthy elite from any threat, foreign or domestic... THEY get to decide which Muslims are good and which are terrorists, THEY get to decide which countries get economic sanctions and which get trade boons, THEY decide which leaders are elected (or assassinated), THEY get to decide which socio-political system every country in the world (with something of of value to their rich elite of course) get to govern themselves with. THEY get to the right to spend and consume and spend and consume and collect and consume and spend and eat and "curate" and experience and collect and spend.... Greenland and Columbia are next. Article 5 is a joke and NATO is either going to dissolve overnight or tear itself apart, either way US foreign policy wins. The corporations win, the "5 families" get to go back to humping children on their private islands and drinking umbilical blood and getting Botox every day or whatever they do and poor Melania has to swallow handfuls of Valium and lie still in bed and endure the tongue bath from the mango Mussolini while dreaming of how far she has come from being barefoot in a small village in the Yugoslavia chasing chickens.

Meanwhile the champagne is flowing, the yearly dividends are solid, the war machine keep[s turning. If they cant convince Jim Bob and Chad to enlist and fight the "commies" in Europe its easy enough to convince them to fight the "Nazis" in Europe or the Muslims in Europe .. it doesn't really matter who the enemy is, Look at Donnie boys ramblings, does anyone really think he legitimately even knows where Venezuela is on the map? The only real question is how long is this all going to take... the Romans took a century and a half to completely die but the Vandals didnt have nukes..

The United States isn't the only country to impose sanctions. As a superpower they often head things but they're also often turned to by countries and people. People aren't fleeing to the backwaters of the world which had problems even before the United States got involved.

I think you're referring to the deep state more than a nation. The deep state certainly wouldn't be one nationality.

I know we're talking about meddling and it'd be ideal for that to stop in some instances. At the same time the majority of the world has said this intervention is needed despite being illegal. There have been some good articles about questioning the legality of such actions when illegality has been the norm for decades for pretty much every country.

You've got a vivid imagination for some of the activities described in your post. I'll go watch some Ange press conferences to take my mind off it.

 

[JS96]

Would you say the same thing if china bombed us tomorrow for our gas?

What a convenient example. It's apples and oranges. The United States has allies ektg resources so why isn't it attacking them? The Australian people aren't being oppressed and the country is making deals with the vast majority of countries. This is mostly about resources but also about removing and oppressor and limiting drug transportation and migration.

If the United States wanted to it could've already flattened Venezuela. Instead it went in and extracted someone which may turn out to have been prearranged at this rate.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

The United States isn't the only country to impose sanctions. As a superpower they often head things but they're also often turned to by countries and people. People aren't fleeing to the backwaters of the world which had problems even before the United States got involved.

I think you're referring to the deep state more than a nation. The deep state certainly wouldn't be one nationality.

I know we're talking about meddling and it'd be ideal for that to stop in some instances. At the same time the majority of the world has said this intervention is needed despite being illegal. There have been some good articles about questioning the legality of such actions when illegality has been the norm for decades for pretty much every country.

You've got a vivid imagination for some of the activities described in your post. I'll go watch some Ange press conferences to take my mind off it.

Sure, but just watching all of the leaders of the so called "western world" and their response to this in the past two days has absolutely dismayed me.. Macron came out as "alarmed" yet 12 hours later was looking forward to the peaceful transfer of democratic power... Starmer ??? Shit If I was British I would be so ashamed right now... and yes I know that Albo and the Greek PM have covered themselves in abslutel dogshit as well, grovelling at the feet of that bloated prick, too scared to draw the wrath of the petulant child....

"Deep state" and "Hollyweird" and "the Woke" bear as much credence as "the lefties" and "antifa" and all the other bullshit boogeymen out there... These are US trillionaires and their handfull of Euro, old money, banking families. Its not a mysterie anymore.. I mean how blatant can you get? the President of the USA is basically announcing to the world that he has arrested the president of a foreign country and his wife and is NOW going to run their country and NOBODY can say jack shit...... They aren't even bothering to blame the commies/jews/muzzies/gays/aliens anymore.. They are telegraphing their plays, Columbia is next and then Greenland... I just hope they all stay away from fuckin Australia... Its like me saying to the next door neighbour, "I dont like how you treat your wife so Im coming over to fuck her in front of you and Ill probably make myself a sandwich while Im at it" ........

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

What a convenient example. It's apples and oranges. The United States has allies ektg resources so why isn't it attacking them? The Australian people aren't being oppressed and the country is making deals with the vast majority of countries. This is mostly about resources but also about removing and oppressor and limiting drug transportation and migration.

If the United States wanted to it could've already flattened Venezuela. Instead it went in and extracted someone which may turn out to have been prearranged at this rate.

Precedent is EVERYTHING in law.... Denmark is part of NATO BTW:

Greece and Turkey where BOTH on the allied side in WW2 before the were invaded, as was Italy AND the Philippines... but , you know, its a great excuse to say they are "cleaning up the commies" - just a coincidence that they can also test new jets , claymores and napalm since they came too late to try on the millions of Japanese they had bombed the pervious year.

That was even BEFORE they destroyed Korea, North and South, to stop the "red devils"

Yes there are many "evil colonials" powers in the world, both old and new, last centuries English and Dutch and Ottomans are no better than the Mullahs and Caliphate now but they are, at least, all ideological and care about their own people if nothing else... US is JUST money.. its not personal, JUST money.. they see their own people as much of resource as they see the rest of the world..

 

[JS96]

Sure, but just watching all of the leaders of the so called "western world" and their response to this in the past two days has absolutely dismayed me.. Macron came out as "alarmed" yet 12 hours later was looking forward to the peaceful transfer of democratic power... Starmer ??? Shit If I was British I would be so ashamed right now... and yes I know that Albo and the Greek PM have covered themselves in abslutel dogshit as well, grovelling at the feet of that bloated prick, too scared to draw the wrath of the petulant child....

"Deep state" and "Hollyweird" and "the Woke" bear as much credence as "the lefties" and "antifa" and all the other bullshit boogeymen out there... These are US trillionaires and their handfull of Euro, old money, banking families. Its not a mysterie anymore.. I mean how blatant can you get? the President of the USA is basically announcing to the world that he has arrested the president of a foreign country and his wife and is NOW going to run their country and NOBODY can say jack shit...... They aren't even bothering to blame the commies/jews/muzzies/gays/aliens anymore.. They are telegraphing their plays, Columbia is next and then Greenland... I just hope they all stay away from fuckin Australia... Its like me saying to the next door neighbour, "I dont like how you treat your wife so Im coming over to fuck her in front of you and Ill probably make myself a sandwich while Im at it" ........

You're right. Look at how many leaders just agreed or weakly argued restraint is needed. Should we be worried? Clearly the majority of leaders feel the need for change in Venezuela is needed despite the legal and world political circumstances.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

You're right. Look at how many leaders just agreed or weakly argued restraint is needed. Should we be worried? Clearly the majority of leaders feel the need for change in Venezuela is needed despite the legal and world political circumstances.

Mate I dont know enough about the internal politics of Venezuela to even begin to give an opinion on what is or ISN'T best for their country... These leaders are cowed, they can't say what they want to say... If you don't agree with me thats fine , maybe Im crazy and its just how I read things. I hope I'm completely wrong and the US doesn't invade (sorry I should say "bring freedom and Jesus to") any other countries this year....

 

[patjennings]

You're right. Look at how many leaders just agreed or weakly argued restraint is needed. Should we be worried? Clearly the majority of leaders feel the need for change in Venezuela is needed despite the legal and world political circumstances.

Mate I dont know enough about the internal politics of Venezuela to even begin to give an opinion on what is or ISN'T best for their country... These leaders are cowed, they can't say what they want to say... If you don't agree with me thats fine , maybe Im crazy and its just how I read things. I hope I'm completely wrong and the US doesn't invade (sorry I should say "bring freedom and Jesus to") any other countries this year....

Now which is it yhe majority of leaders feel the need for change in Venezuela is needed despite the legal and world political circumstances or is it that leaders are hoping the US doesn't invade (sorry I should say "bring freedom and Jesus to") their country (or at the very least start a trade war with their country).

Every country is walking on eggshells purely because there is no thyme or reason for decisions made one day and weeks later reversed or even late reversed again.
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[JS96]

Now which is it yhe majority of leaders feel the need for change in Venezuela is needed despite the legal and world political circumstances or is it that leaders are hoping the US doesn't invade (sorry I should say "bring freedom and Jesus to") their country (or at the very least start a trade war with their country).

Every country is walking on eggshells purely because there is no thyme or reason for decisions made one day and weeks later reversed or even late reversed again.
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Probably a bit of both.

My gripe is we get all these reports and documentaries about how bad Venezuela is and people shriek something should be done. While we shouldn't condone how it was done, it's been done.

The people worth listening to are Venezuelans themselves and the overwhelming majority couldn't be fussed about the how as their goal is to simply be given a chance. The chance is fading quickly with the latest developments any even before all this a split country can only lead to politicians at risk of assassination so we'll be looking a volatile times yet.

 

[tsf]

What a convenient example. It's apples and oranges. The United States has allies ektg resources so why isn't it attacking them? The Australian people aren't being oppressed and the country is making deals with the vast majority of countries. This is mostly about resources but also about removing and oppressor and limiting drug transportation and migration.

If the United States wanted to it could've already flattened Venezuela. Instead it went in and extracted someone which may turn out to have been prearranged at this rate.

You are moving around quite a lot. Almost parroting trump’s BS.

You said their resources were not ebony given to the people so it was ok. Well our resources are not being given to the people - we’ve been in a similar boat. We’ve been fucked for decades by our government with ours.have you compared the royalties what our people get compared to the vemzolanos?

Green light for China to come in and take it. Let them do a deal with our citizens and it will all work out apparently.

 

[JS96]

You are moving around quite a lot. Almost parroting trump’s BS.

You said their resources were not ebony given to the people so it was ok. Well our resources are not being given to the people - we’ve been in a similar boat. We’ve been fucked for decades by our government with ours.have you compared the royalties what our people get compared to the vemzolanos?

Green light for China to come in and take it. Let them do a deal with our citizens and it will all work out apparently.

While Australia has mismanaged it's capitalisation on royalties, it's resource economy is much more diversified and provides millions of jobs. It doesn't even pale in comparison to what's going on elsewhere.

Venezuela meanwhile has suffered from very poor policy and corruption not to mention sanctions caused by their political repressions.

It's not called moving around when you've got journalists on the border interviewing Colombian soldiers who are tracking drug traffickers and bandit groups from Venezuela. Maybe they're all paid actors.

I don't buy it but when Maduro taunted to come and get picked up and was so seemingly taken out. Talk of deals and arrangements between other high ranking members in Venezuela are circulating. Who knows? You'd have expected a bigger security detail and more air defence.

 

[tsf]

While Australia has mismanaged it's capitalisation on royalties, it's resource economy is much more diversified and provides millions of jobs. It doesn't even pale in comparison to what's going on elsewhere.

Venezuela meanwhile has suffered from very poor policy and corruption not to mention sanctions caused by their political repressions.

It's not called moving around when you've got journalists on the border interviewing Colombian soldiers who are tracking drug traffickers and bandit groups from Venezuela. Maybe they're all paid actors.

I don't buy it but when Maduro taunted to come and get picked up and was so seemingly taken out. Talk of deals and arrangements between other high ranking members in Venezuela are circulating. Who knows? You'd have expected a bigger security detail and more air defence.

The yanks literally just pardoned one of the world’s biggest ever coke traffickers because he’s right wing.

Stop buying their colonialist bullshit.

The world is a much more dangerous place now. It’s a free for all.

The yanks are stupidly drug addicts and that’s their fault.

there is a lots of fetanyl production in USA. In Venezuela 0

The yaks are jus self righteous thieves.

 

[erogenouszone]

Would you say the same thing if china bombed us tomorrow for our gas?

China doesn't do direct confrontation, they prefer the projection of soft power and if required coercion and pressure. China controls most of the world's rare earths in all sorts of weird and wonderful places by making deals rather than the flexing of military muscle.

 

[zimbos05]

If the United States wanted to it could've already flattened Venezuela. Instead it went in and extracted someone which may turn out to have been prearranged at this rate.

So because they didn't level the country, it's fine?

What has happened is Imperialism. It's colonialism in front of our eyes. They literally said, "The US will control the country and the Oil fields". That there tells you everything. It had nothing to do with Maduro, and everything to do with controlling the money for themselves. The people will not see it.

100% this... Not sure where the anti-Zionist stuff applies to anything the US does but you have a revolution of your own to fight I suppose so

The US want María Corina Machado as president. They have even hinted that if she isn't in, then they will come back and make sure of it. She is a strong Zionist supporter who has already said that she plans on moving the Venezuelan embassy to Jerusalem and supporting Israel. As we all know, the US are Israel puppets so Israel financially gains from this.

 

[zimbos05]

My gripe is we get all these reports and documentaries about how bad Venezuela is and people shriek something should be done. While we shouldn't condone how it was done, it's been done.

There have been gripes about things needed to be done in so many other countries, but nothing was. The reason being, those countries don't have oil.

Yes, people wanted something done, but not a foreign entity coming in, staging a coup, and then stealing all the resources for themselves.

 

[JS96]

There have been gripes about things needed to be done in so many other countries, but nothing was. The reason being, those countries don't have oil.

Yes, people wanted something done, but not a foreign entity coming in, staging a coup, and then stealing all the resources for themselves.

Well guess what? Nothing is ever going to be done if the world just sits there and watches. It's a slow rot.

Those in Venezuela are so resigned to their fate and a third of the population who left would never return until the regime is gone.