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Promotion and Relegation is vital for Football in Australia

NicCarBel said:
Can tell you there'll be a few clubs/stakeholders in Canberra interested in that - at least locally.. Especially after the past week - let alone months
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want to make acquantainces

there are a lot of decent people in the governing body, but the system doesn't let people put the game first so I really do think we need government intervention
 
grazorblade said:
want to make acquantainces

there are a lot of decent people in the governing body, but the system doesn't let people put the game first so I really do think we need government intervention
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To quote Lord Acton "power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" ... the problem being the last time we had 'government intervention' we saw the 'attempted murder' of the traditional clubs and the birth of this monstoricity with government funding....and now we are here!

Why would i trust they would do anything different this time (or that ppl can ne trusted to do the 'right thing' in politics?)? What we need is a uefa vs clubs approach as per the breakway league attempt! FA disbands the APL, takes control, creates the framework after consultation with all based on feasible middle ground to drive successful 2 tiers, floats it and for those that dont comply closes the tap, international duty for its players, transfers, access to funds, ACL, Au Cup excluded from everything.. lets see then how long owners keep putting in money without complying! Give them 1 season to swallow their pride and then see where the chips fall.

The good old carrot and the whip!

Side note: Fifa breaks out into hives and then threats each time politics gets involved in football in any form!
 
Hellenic_blue&white said:
To quote Lord Acton "power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" ... the problem being the last time we had 'government intervention' we saw the 'attempted murder' of the traditional clubs and the birth of this monstoricity with government funding....and now we are here!

Why would i trust they would do anything different this time (or that ppl can ne trusted to do the 'right thing' in politics?)? What we need is a uefa vs clubs approach as per the breakway league attempt! FA disbands the APL, takes control, creates the framework after consultation with all based on feasible middle ground to drive successful 2 tiers, floats it and for those that dont comply closes the tap, international duty for its players, transfers, access to funds, ACL, Au Cup excluded from everything.. lets see then how long owners keep putting in money without complying! Give them 1 season to swallow their pride and then see where the chips fall.

The good old carrot and the whip!

Side note: Fifa breaks out into hives and then threats each time politics gets involved in football in any form!
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that's a fair concern

interestingly, the crawford report recommendations were pretty good even if what happened was very different. In particular they wanted to have the a league (then nsl) be a separate entity with only 1 vote on the board with most of the votes going to member feds but the member fed voting structure to also be reformed. I would have had slightly different recommendations, but not that different. So if the government didn't just do a report last time but implement their recommendations we are probably in a much better place. It does feel like we need some external intervention

a breakaway league is an option and I'll cheer for a good outcome if that happens....a lot of the risks involved but those risks are carried by the clubs in the break away league so who am I to object?
 
grazorblade said:
that's a fair concern

interestingly, the crawford report recommendations were pretty good even if what happened was very different. In particular they wanted to have the a league (then nsl) be a separate entity with only 1 vote on the board with most of the votes going to member feds but the member fed voting structure to also be reformed. I would have had slightly different recommendations, but not that different. So if the government didn't just do a report last time but implement their recommendations we are probably in a much better place. It does feel like we need some external intervention
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Cant deny it had a great basis if it was to be followed to a tee.
grazorblade said:
a breakaway league is an option and I'll cheer for a good outcome if that happens....a lot of the risks involved but those risks are carried by the clubs in the break away league so who am I to object?
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I dont think a breakaway league was ever the right way to go..but a league fully backed by FA as its poster child, that will then drag back in those 'the apostates' from the AL as they fall (forst in best dressed) bc it will be as much to their interest as ours.. best solution remains either a merger via one massive league (immediate) or 2 stand alone leagues with p&r timeframes that happen over some time (this is the better solution for all and one that can function with a second tier with only 8 teams intitially if need be or you drop a couple from AL. 10 and 10 with play ins and play outs plus finals, makes a great year of football doesnt it?

The key remains the disbanding of the APL.
 
Hellenic_blue&white said:
Cant deny it had a great basis if it was to be followed to a tee.

I dont think a breakaway league was ever the right way to go..but a league fully backed by FA as its poster child, that will then drag back in those 'the apostates' from the AL as they fall (forst in best dressed) bc it will be as much to their interest as ours.. best solution remains either a merger via one massive league (immediate) or 2 stand alone leagues with p&r timeframes that happen over some time (this is the better solution for all and one that can function with a second tier with only 8 teams intitially if need be or you drop a couple from AL. 10 and 10 with play ins and play outs plus finals, makes a great year of football doesnt it?

The key remains the disbanding of the APL.
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The apl has problems, but I'm more worried with how many congress votes they get. So I'm personally less worried about disbanding them as redistributing those votes
 
HappyGuus said:
A full national league with promotion and relegation coming to New Zealand in 2027!

www.nzfootball.co.nz

National Competition Plan Released to Set Vision for Top Tier Domestic League Competition from 2027 Onwards

New Zealand Football (NZF) have released their National Competition Plan, a piece of work 6-months in the making to set ...
www.nzfootball.co.nz
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but Invercargill to Auckland is nearly 1,700kms, and the population of the whole of NZ is less than Melbourne's?
Hasnt anyone told them its too expensive? Or that other football codes are more popular? Or that clubs ccan go broke if there is NO representation ine very single city?

Those crazy Kiwis, what are they thinking NOT following a franchise system?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
but Invercargill to Auckland is nearly 1,700kms, and the population of the whole of NZ is less than Melbourne's?
Hasnt anyone told them its too expensive? Or that other football codes are more popular? Or that clubs ccan go broke if there is NO representation ine very single city?

Those crazy Kiwis, what are they thinking NOT following a franchise system?
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I hope someone in OUR media picks this up and does a deep dive comparison, because Australia blocking pro/rel is just about out of excuses.
 
HappyGuus said:
I hope someone in OUR media picks this up and does a deep dive comparison, because Australia blocking pro/rel is just about out of excuses.
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Mate, the APL has stiffled all discussion of the Championship (apart from independent outlets) they are going to allow their few remaining mouthpieces to write about what could potentially finish them off for good?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Mate, the APL has stiffled all discussion of the Championship (apart from independent outlets) they are going to allow their few remaining mouthpieces to write about what could potentially finish them off for good?
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I'm thinking a G&G pod follow up to Stefan's chat, or Football 360, the Round Ball guys etc.

Yeah I'm not expecting anything from what remains of the mainstream media haha
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
but Invercargill to Auckland is nearly 1,700kms, and the population of the whole of NZ is less than Melbourne's?
Hasnt anyone told them its too expensive? Or that other football codes are more popular? Or that clubs ccan go broke if there is NO representation ine very single city?

Those crazy Kiwis, what are they thinking NOT following a franchise system?
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Im still using kazakhstan as my go to case study

If borat can run an open pyramid in a sparsely populated country, surely we can
 
BA81 said:
The detractors will predictably say that only works bc ⚽️‘s the No.1(or very close to it) team-sport in such countries, whereas here in 🇦🇺 it obv isn’t..¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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indeed, but football is actually less popular there than here with only 1 million participants despite a similar population. The fallacy is that football only competes with other sports, it competes with everything you can do on a weekend
 
HappyGuus said:
18 years ago 😳, haven't made much ground hey
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8->12 league top tier
Cl nst started

Very poor progress, but i suppose it is progress

More progress in the rhetoric. Even a league reddit has less skepticism then that thread from 18 years ago

4 years ago i believed we should have an nst to get divisions in place before one day getting p and r. Reckon this has become close to mainstream

Reading econ lit 2 years ago made me change my mind to be more hardcore

Maybe a fews from now everyone is hardcore haha
 
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